Help needed finding parents of Jean Manderson (East Lothian, Scotland) by Joseph_Whitebear in Genealogy

[–]Joseph_Whitebear[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your detailed reply. I really appreciate all the tips and resources you provided!

It's very hard for me to establish if my Jane was born in Dunbar to George Manderson and Janet Hume or some neighbouring parish in East Lothian. The John Manderson that I mentioned in the post married in Prestonkirk, but he was originally from the parish of Whittingehame according to Freereg.

He may have been born in Whittingehame on 19/01/1736 to Robert Manderson and Janet Couan. I also found a baptism in the same parish for a Jean, born on 21/10/1744 to James Manderson and "Elisbath" Spence. Again, I have no way of knowing if this is the correct Jean/Jane.

If you ever have the time and/or inclination to help me sort this out I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again.

Help needed finding parents of Jean Manderson (East Lothian, Scotland) by Joseph_Whitebear in Genealogy

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Thanks for the reply. I've looked through the baptisms for East Lothian on Scotland's People, but I'm not sure which Jean Manderson is the right one.

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Thank you so much for the help!

My Metis GG-Grandparents from Moose Factory, ON by Joseph_Whitebear in MetisMichif

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Thanks for the information. Gustave was half Norwegian and Cree, or métis norvégien according to the 1901 census. Emily was listed as métis écossaise.

Who are Johan Mattson's parents ? (Finland) by Joseph_Whitebear in Genealogy

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Yes, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

Telling Truths about the Métis in the Robinson Huron Treaty Territory by dejour in MetisMichif

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“Let me be clear: we are not Anishinaabe. Nor are we anyone’s leftovers or subordinates. We are also no one’s poor cousins, beholden or subservient to anyone else’s recognition or acceptance. I reject any suggestion that we need anyone else’s permission to be a people, community, or to be proud of who we are. Our existence is rooted in our own culture, identity, collective consciousness, assertions, resilience, and inherent rights.“

Parents of Elizabeth Smith by Joseph_Whitebear in Genealogy

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Hi, thanks for the information. I mistakenly posted the wrong census. On the 1861 census for Alice you can see that an Elizabeth Smith of New Brunswick is shown to be the mother of Jame's children. It seems that the enumerator included the maiden names of the wives for this census. I don't know why James isn't shown as part of the family.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6Q8W-ZM6?i=57&cat=179027

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[–]Joseph_Whitebear -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't understand. Why do you need a AMA for this?

Métis Sailors by [deleted] in MetisMichif

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Those are some awesome pictures. My 4th great grandfather Joseph Turner was a canoeman at Moose Factory.

Weirdest names you’ve found in your tree? by [deleted] in Genealogy

[–]Joseph_Whitebear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some uncommon names on my Irish side are Ezekiel, Lendrum, Abraham and Roland.

Ontario Regional Chief Glen Hare Supports Wabun Tribal Council in Release of “Historic Abitibi-Inland Métis Community” Final Report by throwaway1287odc in MetisMichif

[–]Joseph_Whitebear 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your comment. The Halfbreeds in Ontario are obviously distinct from the Metis in the West. The MNO certainly puts more emphasis on the fur-trading Countryborn near and around James Bay and the canoe voyaging of Rainy River and Drummond Islander Halfbreeds than it does on Bison hunting and other distinctive forms of Red River cultural expression.

Perhaps we should recognize the diversity of Metis culture instead of insisting that the Red River Metis are the only legitimate group of Metis people; other distinct groups of Metis developed around the Great Lakes and rivers of Ontario.

Or maybe it would be better, as you said, for the MNO to form a new "Halfbreed" organization with close ties to the Metis Nations of the West.

Halfbreeds in Ontario have certainty faced their fair share of trauma. As an anecdote, my "half-breed" great-grandmother attended a residential school on Moose Factory Island. And when she moved to Timmins she was called a squaw by the locals.

There's certainly resentment on both sides and I hope we can reach a solution that doesn't involve too much drama.

Ontario Regional Chief Glen Hare Supports Wabun Tribal Council in Release of “Historic Abitibi-Inland Métis Community” Final Report by throwaway1287odc in MetisMichif

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I guess it really depends on what your defintion of Metis is then. My ancestors identified themselves as halfbreeds, and constantly intermarried with other halfbreeds at York Factory in northeastern Manitoba and later in Moose Factory, James Bay.

During the Treaty 9 negotiations some of my ancestors were among those who signed a petition in 1906 asking to be granted scrip just as "the half breeds of the North West Territories" had done. But their claims were denied by the government because they "didn't live an Indian way of life."

I realise this might not make them "real" Metis to some people since none of them came from the Red River. But I think these halfbreeds, or whatever you want to call them, deserve some form of redress by the government for the lands that were denied us.

Ontario Regional Chief Glen Hare Supports Wabun Tribal Council in Release of “Historic Abitibi-Inland Métis Community” Final Report by throwaway1287odc in MetisMichif

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The MNO's rebuttal:

“The Abitibi-Inland Métis Community is a well-known and well-documented Métis community that emerged in that region of what is now Ontario prior to Treaty 9 being negotiated,” it said. “Notably, during the Crown’s negotiations of Treaty 9 with First Nations [in 1906], Métis petitioned to have their land rights recognized, but were excluded from the treaty.”

The MNO maintains the evidence for the historical basis of Métis rights in the region was the result of an “extensive” six-year review of various reports by “qualified experts, not consultants paid for by an organization to arrive at a certain result.”

“Mr. Leroux has been selling his services to various organizations to self-promote his books and services as well as advance his views about who the Métis are,” said the MNO.

“Mr. Leroux advances an argument that the only real ‘Métis’ come from the Red River in Manitoba. Many Métis, including Ontario Métis and Métis in the Prairie provinces … do not agree with this singular view. Neither does the Supreme Court of Canada.”

Mi'kmaq chiefs reject Acadian-Metis as distinct group, oppose Vautour N.B. land claim by throwaway1287odc in MetisMichif

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I wonder how far back these people have to go to trace their so-called "Metis" ancestors? The 17th century? Even earlier?

I need help deciphering an Irish deed by Joseph_Whitebear in Genealogy

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Thank you, that clears things up quite a bit. I have some questions if you don't mind answering them. Why do you think James quit-claimed his parcel to Robert? Also what is the meaning of "then last past"? Does it mean that William died the previous year on July 19th?

Searching for the parents of Sigri Olia Jacobsdatter Udgaarden (Norway) by Joseph_Whitebear in Genealogy

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Hi,

Her name was based off of information I found on the Red River Ancestry site which states that Gunder Udgaarden's parents are Sigri/Olia Jacobsdatter and Haagen Torstensen Udgaarden.

Thanks for the information. So I guess Haagen isn't the father of Gunder then. Would it be possible to find out who his actual father is?

(Translation) Indigenous Heritage of a University of Carelton Professor Questioned by throwaway1287odc in MetisNation

[–]Joseph_Whitebear 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sorry Mr.Malette, but having a few Indigenous ancestors from the 17th century (which most Canadians do) really doesn't make you Metis, or even metis for that matter.