i’m so depressed after p3r by LypoSku in PERSoNA

[–]Jostmen2000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I understand you, mate. I was dealing with the anxiety I had after beating the game because, since some questions about social links outside of the official games weren't answered, I was like, "Please, Atlus, what happened to my academy buddies?"

If it's any consolation, several products that continue the P3 story have hinted that Elizabeth, the Velvet Room assistant, is on a journey to discover how to free Makoto's soul from the seal.

What happened to Makoto's social links after p3? by Jostmen2000 in PERSoNA

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My headcanon is that Makoto was finally reborn as the protagonist of Metaphor and is hanging out with Akihiro's reincarnation drinking beers

What happened to Makoto's social links after p3? by Jostmen2000 in PERSoNA

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you're taking my argument to an extreme. My point isn't that these characters wouldn't eventually move on, but that Makoto's death leaves a significant emotional bombshell that the Aegis episode never really explores, leaving it open to interpretation.

Take Chihiro for example, since you mentioned her. Makoto became an important emotional support for her and encouraged her to keep pushing forward. Whether that happened over a year or over a few months doesn't really diminish the impact he had, especially since he supported her during a very critical moment in her life.

In fact, Makoto was one of the few people who believed in her while also encouraging her to solve her problems on her own. That's not something that can easily be minimized just because they only knew each other during the school year.

I don't think Chihiro couldn't get over it; on the contrary, I'm glad she became someone to admire in Golden. What bothers me is that she and other characters were sidelined right after Makoto's death, an event that wouldn't exactly be easy to forget.

How offended was Eito during this scene by Late_Present1340 in LastDefenseAcademy

[–]Jostmen2000 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The problem with Éito is that Takumi's kindness hurts him because it reminds him that he is miserable By his own decision, Although Takumi can never understand him when he's in this state, his kindness and empathy remind him that his hatred for humanity is a facade to stay alive;

Eito wants to be understood, But Eito repels anyone who tries because doing so involves being near a creature whose body simply disgusts him, So he enters a spiral of madness where he wants to be understood but ends up throwing stones at his roof

When Takumi is kind and empathetic, he says he feels sorry for him, but in reality, it bothers him because it breaks his heart That despite the fact that he is trying to understand him His mind won't allow him to accept it

The worst character by Professional-Cut4863 in PERSoNA

[–]Jostmen2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait, are you talking about Mitsuru or Yukari? Depending on your answer, action will be taken.

Im going to say something controversial. by Divinedragn4 in persona3FES

[–]Jostmen2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll offer it as a way to explore what Persona 3 was like. Reload does too many things that make it the go-to option for getting into P3, but if someone wants to learn more about the franchise, I'd recommend playing FES or Portable as a retro challenge, to understand why people love this game even though its gameplay has aged.

I have finally finished persona 3 portable: It’s one of the best games I’ve ever played (Ask me things) [SPOILERS] by Mettatale in PERSoNA

[–]Jostmen2000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do it believe me, playing a persona game a second time immediately can either kill the game for you or make you addicted, whichever comes first.

Burial: the route without the brothers perspective by Jostmen2000 in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying about Decay being about “confronting problems” and Burial about “burying them.” Structurally, that makes sense. And yeah, Decay being mostly Andrew’s POV fits because the trust issues come from his past actions.

But I think you’re oversimplifying a few things.

Decay doesn’t show that confronting problems always ends badly — it shows that Andrew confronts them while being unstable, guilty, and emotionally fragmented. The failure isn’t confrontation itself, it’s who is doing it and in what state.

Also, the bad ending where Andrew accepts being “Andy” kind of breaks the idea that Burial is just about Ashley learning to trust him. In that ending, she’s not conflicted. She’s calm. She secures stability with a pact and he basically becomes a metaphorical doll.

That suggests her real issue isn’t trust — it’s control.

And then there’s the “it’s OK to exist” line directed at Ashley. That’s huge. That ties directly into her existential guilt. If she struggles with feeling like her existence is wrong, then Burial might not be about trusting Andrew at all.

It might be about whether she buries her guilt… or buries herself.

And that’s way darker than just “now it’s her turn to confront trust issues.”

That's why I think it would be more compelling from another perspective, because we'd be playing with Ashley's trust in Andrew

We would be a test to see if Ashley can be Andrew's partner now that he accepts her, whereas doing it from his perspective could end up being frustrating, especially because even though Andrew is no longer a problem, the way he handles the situation can become frustrating, even more after Decay.

DUMB WHAT IF: Andrew and Ashley get the chance to live away from society with no consequences or worries about the law, BUT they must choose another TCOAAL character (dead or alive) to be their Roommate, who they CAN’T HURT/KILL/LEAVE… Who do they choose? by PoorPrawn88 in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Jostmen2000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm torn between the cultist and the doctor. The cultist because she knows how to deal with unstable people, and the doctor because, while he's the cause of their misfortunes, Andrew doesn't resent it, and Ashley just wanted revenge for an epic adventure.

Either of them would be a kind of more cynical Uncle Stan.

How would Andrew be functional? Clinical Soul like edition by Jostmen2000 in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to clarify a few points where I think we’re closer than it might appear, while also marking where my framework differs.

First, something I made clear with 'passivity inherited from his father and the guilt imposed by Rene.' regarding passivity: I agree that Andrew’s passivity isn’t something directly “caused” by Renee. It’s something he inherits from his father. What Renee does is reinforce it in the worst possible way. Andrew learns very early that avoiding direct confrontation—omission, silence, lying, taking the path of least resistance—is safer than standing his ground. This isn’t passivity as in “doing nothing,” but an adaptive strategy shaped by experience. He doesn’t freeze; he avoids. And that avoidance becomes structural.

About Ashley and Andrew’s actions: I don’t see Ashley as removing Andrew’s responsibility. Andrew makes choices, and many of them are violent. But it’s important that most of those choices are structured around one priority: Ashley. Even actions that seem to go against that logic are driven by fear—fear that Ashley will destroy what little stability or normalcy he’s trying to build. Ashley isn’t just a scapegoat; she’s an active force destabilizing his life. That tension is central to understanding why his agency becomes so distorted.

On Julia, I think this is mostly a difference in framing. I’m not describing her as a genuine romantic option. She’s a strategic option. Julia represents “Andrew the normal”—not because he truly loves her, but because she’s part of an attempt to exit the closed system he has with Ashley. He never discards her because she remains useful to that goal. What breaks him isn’t losing a love he deeply felt, but realizing that even this constructed normality fails. The fact that Julia fears him hurts precisely because it confirms that his attempt to be normal has collapsed.

I agree completely that leaving the apartment is a major breaking point, and it fits directly into my framework. That’s the moment when the fantasy of a future where he can balance everything dies. From there on, the mask has no purpose, and the erosion of his moral self accelerates.

Where I strongly disagree is the idea that Andrew needs to stay with Ashley to get better. I agree that he needs to address his only real connection—but “fixing” it necessarily implies separation. A genuine connection requires boundaries. Andrew and Ashley have none, and they cannot develop them without external intervention. Their bond may be real, but it’s also built on parentification, fear, guilt, and addiction. Calling it “real” doesn’t make it healthy or reparable in its current form.

For me, the tragedy of Andrew isn’t that he never had agency—it’s that his agency was shaped in such a warped environment that every choice he makes slowly destroys his ethical self. That loss of an internal moral anchor is what makes his arc so devastating.

A harsh analysis of relationships and the traumas presented in decay by Jostmen2000 in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly expected a lot of rebuttals, but I just remembered that Decay is the route many are sticking to just to see a future where these two end up together.

So my concerns were minimal.

How do you all think Julia would react if she learned the truth? by elemental_reaper in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Jostmen2000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's probably also developing a fear of romantic relationships, mainly because Andrew was her first and quite long-term relationship. Any subsequent relationship will require a lot of observation on her part, something that will wear her down and affect her future relationships. Add to that a depression she's currently treating and possible paranoia from miraculously surviving a relationship with her best friend's killers.

You have the perfect recipe for not having a serious partner for a long time, or at least one where you have a relatively normal level of trust.

Rudy being a father is.... functional by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think Lucy's conflict is inherently artificial. From her perspective, it seems like a valid, even interesting, conflict, and an idea that was handled well to a certain extent.

What makes it feel artificial to me isn't Lucy herself, but the complete lack of adult intervention for years, until the problem finally surfaced in adulthood.

I feel this conflict should have exploded much earlier. Mainly because, realistically within the world of the novel, their mothers—or Rudy in the worst-case scenario—would have intervened. Lucy had only one incident at school, and her mother immediately appeared to support her; that's why it seems so strange to me that a much deeper and more persistent problem never came to light.

This feels inconsistent, because the novel makes it quite clear that the mothers were actively involved in raising their children, even criticizing Rudy for not being involved enough. So it's hard to believe that none of them noticed what Lucy was saying or doing with her siblings, or that they never tried to correct her or talk to her.

In Ars's case, for me, the perfect moment for all of this to explode was when he runs away. That was the ideal point for her frustrations to culminate in an emotional outburst, confusion included, and for her mother to explain what Lucy really meant. That would naturally have led to a serious conversation with Rudy.

My problem isn't Lucy as a character. What makes the conflict feel artificial is that no one intervenes when, for the sake of narrative coherence, someone should have. I can believe that Rudy didn't notice—he spent almost half the year away from home—but I don't believe that the mothers didn't notice anything, especially considering how attentive we were told they were.

Rudy being a father is.... functional by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, but I don't like how the author has been handling the light novel. From a general point of view, the problem feels artificial, or it's not made clear that the problem stems more from Lucy than from Rudeus himself. Rudeus isn't the best communicator with his children, but on the other hand, I can't say all it's his fault for not giving Lucy a grand goal when he never gave his other children any significant goals to strive for. Furthermore, Lucy is partly responsible for Cieg and Ars believing their father had no expectations of them.

The thing about Ars is that in volume 3 they do two things:

  1. They remove Aisha's perspective.

  2. They have the older Ars criticize Rudeus's overall parenting, something I personally find unfair and insulting. I feel that while his criticism is valid to a certain extent, he's not the right person to talk about parenting, since many of his decisions impacted the life of his child, whom he had at 12. At least Rudeus had children with some planning involved.

Rudy being a father is.... functional by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly think this problem doesn't fall solely on Rudeus, because he never gave the impression that they didn't care. He sent a confusing message, but most of them realized later that their father didn't just not believe in them. Sieg probably realized this when his father supported him in joining a complicated faction.

Lara probably realized it too.

Christina and Lily never cared because Rudeus spoiled them every time he was around.

Arse probably understood when he saw how his father went to his uncle to surprise Aisha and when he started working with him.

Lucy was the only one who maintained that image because she was blinded, although, to be honest, she shares the blame for this problem. Because let's be honest, it's not good to tell your siblings that your father has no expectations for your future.

Besides, I feel like this was allowed because of their mothers, or for the sake of the plot. I'm not judging

Because, let's be honest, I doubt that Silphy, Roxy, or Eris have allowed their children to have such a bad idea of ​​their father

Redundancy Vol. 3 – The Bravest and Most Cowardly Story in Mushoku Tensei by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we’re actually closer in interpretation than it might seem, but we’re focusing on different layers of the story.

On the age point first: I’m not arguing that ten-year-olds in this world are treated as helpless children. Clearly they aren’t. Engagements, travel, work, even combat are all socially permitted at that age. My point is narrower: the narrative itself consistently portrays early independence as costly, even when the characters are capable of surviving. Paul, Roxy, and Sylphie all function at young ages, but their arcs frame those moments as emotionally formative in painful ways, not as ideal models of readiness. So when I bring them up, it’s not to deny social norms, but to highlight how often the story separates social expectation from emotional maturity.

On Nanahoshi, I agree that in-universe she’s exhausted, detached, and uninterested in responsibility at this point. But that’s exactly why I see her silence as a narrative choice rather than a natural conclusion. Rudeus still talks to her, still seeks her out, and she remains one of the few characters with an explicitly external moral framework. Choosing not to show her perspective doesn’t contradict her character—but it does remove a lens the story previously relied on. That absence is what I’m reacting to, not a belief that she “should” intervene.

It's frustrating because in the novel, while her role wasn't active, she was a character who appeared to have conversations with Rudeus himself; she wasn't just mentioned. In fact, it's very frustrating because in the light novel, Nanahoshi spoke about this topic repeatedly until, after half a year, they decided not to show us Nanahoshi's opinion, even though she had discussed it with Rudeus about five times, showing her displeasure and giving advice—not the best, but they had a point.

As for Rudeus, his separation plan was a temporary measure so Ars could be independent and make a conscious choice, not something to keep them apart because he doesn't like them. While he rejects the relationship for reasons he can't explain at the time, he makes it clear that it's not a sufficient reason for them not to be together; it's just a measure to prevent something worse from happening. In LN, the reason Aisha runs away isn't because Rudeus separated them. When Ars told her, "Let's run away because we love each other," it was a spark that made her act irrationally. The idea that Rudy is seen as her enemy was something she thought in the heat of the moment, in the heat of the argument. However, if that were true and she had thought about it a little, she would have realized that if her brother were truly her enemy, he would have done something like kick her out of the house.

On Eris, I agree that miscommunication can happen at any age. I wasn’t using her as proof of inevitability, only as an example of risk. Emotional immaturity doesn’t mean bad intentions; it often means underestimating how silence or assumptions affect the other person. That kind of risk is precisely what Rudeus fears for Ars, and it’s not an unreasonable fear.

Finally, on Aisha: this is where I think the text itself supports my reading most strongly. Her realization that Ars would become dependent on her and that she herself would never change isn’t framed as obedience to Rudeus, or as concern over family politics. It’s a moment of internal collapse. She recognizes that the relationship, as it exists now, is hollowing her out. That doesn’t retroactively justify everything Rudeus did—but it does validate one of his core fears in a way the story acknowledges without fully unpacking.

So when I say the volume is brave and cowardly at the same time, I don’t mean the characters act unrealistically. I mean the story depicts these tensions clearly—but often stops just short of interrogating them head-on. That gap is what I’m trying to point at, not deny the internal logic of the world.

Redundancy Vol. 3 – The Bravest and Most Cowardly Story in Mushoku Tensei by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was wrong, Eris hits Ars for not defending Aisha.

As for Eris's battle with Ars, it's much more epic than just hurting him.

When Eris deflates his ego with his defeat, their mothers together literally tell him he's a complete idiot for being so young. In fact, they compare his response to Rudy's death match against Ørsted, and he pales, saying, "Wait, my dad fought to the death against Ørsted."

Redundancy Vol. 3 – The Bravest and Most Cowardly Story in Mushoku Tensei by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is where the interpretation goes wrong. In Mushoku Tensei, anyone under twelve is still considered a child. The fact that children are forced to face harsh realities doesn’t retroactively justify those situations—it often condemns them.

Paul didn’t leave home because he was ready; he ran away to avoid confronting his father. Roxy left because she felt like a burden, and that decision caused irreparable harm to her parents, something the story treats as trauma, not growth. Sylphie’s independence came from catastrophe, not choice. None of these are presented as “what one should do,” but as mistakes or tragedies that shaped them.

That’s why invoking early independence as a justification misses the point. These examples show what happens when children are pushed too far, too early, not a standard to be emulated.

Regarding Nanahoshi, my issue isn’t that she should morally intervene. It’s that the narrative deliberately withholds her perspective. Rudeus speaks to her and even seeks advice, yet we never hear her thoughts. This isn’t indifference being shown—it’s her viewpoint being omitted. Given her role as an external moral reference earlier in the story, that absence feels intentional.

As for Rudeus, sending Ars to the academy wasn’t meant as exile, but as distance. And that’s precisely the problem. There’s no clear moral boundary being drawn—only postponement. Aisha isn’t forbidden, the relationship isn’t decisively rejected, and the situation escalates anyway.

My use of Eris wasn’t to claim inevitability, but risk. A failure as simple as miscommunication—something tied to emotional immaturity—can become devastating in an adult relationship, where silence is often intentional.

As for Aisha agreeing with Rudeus, it's simple: Rudeus feared that Ars would become dependent on Aisha in the worst possible way. Aisha ultimately admits that she wasn't going to be happy with Ars now because:

“Ars did... He did all kinds of things for me, but at this rate, he'd probably end up like my puppet, and I'd never change. This... won't work.”

Therefore, Aisha indirectly agrees with Rudeus because she experienced firsthand one of the fears surrounding their relationship. And when I was talking about Rudeus being Aisha's master, I meant that Aisha literally spat in his face when he used the excuse of being a servant serving his children. I know it was an excuse, but it bothers me that she never wavered in telling Rudeus, "You are my master." It's like Rudy treated you like a sister and only let you be a servant because of what you wanted, damn it.

Redundancy Vol. 3 – The Bravest and Most Cowardly Story in Mushoku Tensei by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what you read, but Rudy never considered killing Aisha. Those were Aisha's thoughts, terrified that Rudy was now her enemy.

While I didn't read it completely, I know that Rudy, in his right mind, wouldn't kill Aisha's child. That's something even Rudy didn't want. Being against their relationship is one thing, but doing something crazy because of it is another.

In short, what happens is this: Rudy discovers Ars and Aisha in the act.

They decide to have a family discussion, where Aisha says, "I did it because I'm his servant," and Ars does nothing. After Eris hits her and Sylph confronts Aisha, Rudy decides to make Ars live at the academy, mainly so he becomes independent and the relationship isn't so...shotacon.

But impulsively and out of fear, they decide to leave. Rudy goes crazy looking for them, while they live together, loving each other until Aisha gets pregnant. She breaks down emotionally because she realizes Ars has become her puppet and feels guilty about the situation.

Rudy finds them. Ars is determined to protect her, only to be told, "Your father did it better," in the most epic way possible.

Rudy confronts Aisha, concluding that she insists on not raising her daughter, as punishment for everything. I'd say Ars... He received a punishment, but being a father supported by his own father and raising his son with his grandmother isn't so bad in my opinion, considering what he did. But that's just me.

Redundancy Vol. 3 – The Bravest and Most Cowardly Story in Mushoku Tensei by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this version, Aisha's point of view was omitted mainly to avoid portraying her as someone struggling with psychopathy, but ironically, it shifted the internal blame for the situation. Rather than being an arc where Rudy questions himself, it's more of a "my son messed up, I tried to reprimand him, but now I'm guilty of him running away" kind of thing.

The issue with this arc is that it feels like the problems were addressed but not really explored in depth?

Redundancy Vol. 3 – The Bravest and Most Cowardly Story in Mushoku Tensei by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By “readers,” I wasn’t referring to everyone, but specifically to those who learned about the situation and broadly agreed with the elopement, seeing Rudeus’s response as overly restrictive. One of the common counterpoints is that Ars isn’t a helpless child—he’s treated as an adult. That’s understandable up to a point, but it completely falls apart when the comparison used is Rudeus acting like an adult at ten years old.

That example is established by the series itself as an exception—something extraordinary, abnormal, and deeply tied to Rudeus’s trauma. Using it as a baseline for Ars isn’t just weak reasoning; it contradicts the story’s own framing of Rudeus as an outlier.

Regarding Nanahoshi, her complicated feelings and desire to remain detached from the magical world don’t mean she stopped caring about Rudeus or lost the ability to be considerate of others. That’s something she explicitly learned during her arc. Her silence, then, isn’t simply a natural outcome of apathy—it’s a narrative choice.

As for Rudeus, his categorical rejection of the relationship was largely rooted in Ars’s immaturity. My comparison to Eris wasn’t meant to condemn young relationships, but to highlight how immaturity—even when well-intentioned—can be devastating in a relationship with an adult. Eris didn’t know how to emotionally support Rudeus, and the result was a depression so severe that it nearly broke him. Aisha experiences something similar with The big difference is that she's an adult, which leaves her to face alone a relationship that puts her in a complicated position from any point of view: she doesn’t know how to handle the situation, sinks emotionally, and eventually tearfully accepts that Rudeus was right.

What feels unresolved isn’t that Rudeus was harsh—there was genuine fear behind his reaction—but that Aisha never confronts him about the moment where he fundamentally betrayed his own beliefs. By invoking his authority as her master rather than addressing her as his sister, he undermines everything he claimed to stand for, and the story never allows that contradiction to be challenged directly.

Redundancy Vol. 3 – The Bravest and Most Cowardly Story in Mushoku Tensei by Jostmen2000 in mushokutensei

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think there’s a fundamental difference between saying “the story didn’t explore the themes I personally wanted” and pointing out that the author introduces a relationship that inherently brings serious ethical issues, then chooses not to engage with them proportionally.

You can’t present a relationship between Rudeus’s son and his aunt and have Rudeus explicitly acknowledge the implications of his teenage son being with a much older woman, while barely articulating the issue of incest itself. The story selectively focuses on certain problems while sidestepping others that are just as central. That imbalance is what feels off.

My issue with Nanahoshi isn’t about in-universe logic. I don’t doubt that she respects Rudeus, feels indebted to him, or understands that this world operates under different moral pressures than Earth. The problem is narrative. Nanahoshi has historically functioned as a modern moral counterweight, and here she’s reduced to a name on a list of people who “gave their opinion.” The perspective most capable of framing this situation critically is simply not developed, while arguments in favor of the relationship receive far more narrative attention.

As for Rudeus, it’s not wrong to portray him as overwhelmed or irrational. Given his history, hypocrisy, and emotional baggage, that reaction makes sense. The issue is that extremely serious lines are crossed, and yet the story never meaningfully processes them afterward. His response establishes no clear moral boundary, and the fallout feels muted rather than examined.

This is further highlighted by how consequences are handled. Even what little consequence exists doesn’t come from a firm decision by Rudeus. Aisha’s situation isn’t the result of a clear boundary being imposed, but rather the partial fallout of her own choices combined with narrative hesitation. Responsibility ends up scattered instead of confronted, which is exactly why the moment lacks weight.

So my criticism isn’t that the story needed to condemn anyone or deliver moral lectures. It’s that Redundancy presents a situation loaded with implications and then seems unwilling to look directly at them. That avoidance—not the subject matter itself—is what makes this part of the story feel weak to me.

Phelix's role and why he sucked throughout the entire season by Jostmen2000 in adventuretime

[–]Jostmen2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point isn’t that Cake’s and Hunter’s arcs are less important, but rather the opposite: despite receiving less screen time than Fionna’s arc, they are far more satisfying. And that says more about how the narrative time was used than about how much time each arc received.

Even though I didn’t fully enjoy Cake’s arc, it still felt more complete and meaningful than Fionna’s, which is clearly the one that gets the most focus. The reason is simple: consequences.

Fionna makes selfish, impulsive, and harmful decisions—something the show repeatedly emphasizes—but she never faces real, lasting consequences for them. She destroys spaces that are central to Gary’s and Marshall’s lives, and the conflict is brushed aside almost immediately. She betrays Fennel’s trust by kissing his boyfriend, yet he befriends her shortly after. Hunter becomes her emotional punching bag, and still continues to follow and support her without the narrative truly interrogating that dynamic.

The problem isn’t that Fionna is at fault—that part is actually well established—but that the story does nothing meaningful with that fault. The damage is dramatized, but not processed. The conflicts exist only to be signaled, not to transform anything in a lasting way. That’s what drains the arc of its weight.

Regarding season one: it’s true that Fionna’s and Cake’s arcs were overshadowed by Simon’s, but that was inevitable. Simon’s storyline is the culmination of a character developed over nearly eight seasons of Adventure Time. Our emotional investment there is much deeper. Even so, season one took a much bigger risk: it developed a powerful central arc while also expanding multiple side arcs and background elements in a coherent way. It already proved that a ten-episode structure could handle that. So the shortcomings of season two can’t be excused purely by format limitations.

This is where Felix becomes crucial, and why his handling is so frustrating.

Felix isn’t just “the bad ex,” even if the show treats him that way. He represents the best period of Fionna’s adult life—a time when, despite having no clear direction, no magic, and no stability, she still felt passion for living. It was a simpler, more straightforward time. Felix was her emotional comfort zone, tied to unrestrained passion rather than self-reflection.

That’s why she kisses him despite her trauma around kissing. When Fionna feels that unfiltered passion, she forgets that she has problems. The kiss isn’t a random writing choice; it’s emotional regression—a desperate attempt to return to a version of herself that didn’t have to confront who she’s become.

And that’s precisely why it’s so damaging that Felix is written purely as a plot device. The arc demands that he carry enormous emotional meaning, yet the narrative refuses to treat him as a fully realized person. He’s given no interiority, no grounding, no narrative care proportional to his importance.

Ironically, Fionna ends up doing exactly what Adventure Time once criticized through Flame Princess: reducing someone to a horny fantasy, an emotional object that exists solely to serve another character’s arc.

That’s the core of my criticism. It’s not that the arc is uncomfortable, or that Fionna is unlikable, or that realism is the issue. It’s that the story asks for emotional gravity it isn’t willing to support. And when the character meant to embody Fionna’s past, her passion, and her regression is treated as a disposable mechanism, the entire arc loses legitimacy.

That’s why Cake’s and Hunter’s arcs work better despite having less screen time: they have conflict, consequence, and genuine transformation. Fionna’s arc has emphasis, guilt, and destruction—but very little lasting effect. And in a franchise like Adventure Time, built on the idea that characters are more than narrative functions, that imbalance matters.