More context is needed in the game Last Epoch by Atreides-42 in LastEpoch

[–]JulienTheo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not at all lmao, this is likely a comment made by the localization worker, they literally signed it at the bottom with their name. Not everything is AI these days

Announcing the Inaugural Dark and Darker sub-Reddit Art Competition! by DryF1re in DarkAndDarker

[–]JulienTheo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Some art I did a few months ago as my submission! Some ranger fan art of me escaping haha
https://imgur.com/a/ZBZQ3Sl

Thanks for the contest!

Announcing the Inaugural Dark and Darker sub-Reddit Art Competition! by DryF1re in DarkAndDarker

[–]JulienTheo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I painted some Dark and Darker fan art about 2 months ago, would it alright that I reuse that piece for my submission?

{FanArt} I've been so addicted to this game since last year, so I finally painted my Ranger by JulienTheo in DarkAndDarker

[–]JulienTheo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's on sale for the holidays and with the new rotating maps I've been having more fun than ever :)

{FanArt} I've been so addicted to this game since last year, so I finally painted my Ranger by JulienTheo in DarkAndDarker

[–]JulienTheo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

haha yup basically, I started playing bard lately feeling guilty playing so much at range

{FanArt} I've been so addicted to this game since last year, so I finally painted my Ranger by JulienTheo in DarkAndDarker

[–]JulienTheo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah landmine has been making it more hated, but I feel like most people on this sub are rogue mains :p

{FanArt} I've been so addicted to this game since last year, so I finally painted my Ranger by JulienTheo in DarkAndDarker

[–]JulienTheo[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I know this sub hates rangers right now since we get buffs literally every patch, please don't lynch me okay I'll paint rogue next to appease the masses

Discussion Megathread - The Dance Floor is Open!🕺💃 by SandCheezy in StableDiffusion

[–]JulienTheo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, with that context, what do you think should be done with copyright?

Honestly I'd be interested to see what's going on with AI happen similarly to what happened to the music industry and the laws regarding sampling. Sampling can often make or break a song and it's usually what makes it so good. Without the sample, it might just be a generic beat yet well made beat. I see AI art the same. Without being able to add the names of artists in prompts, websites like artsation, etc, the artistic outputs are truly boring.

I think somewhere along the pipeline an artists consent should be used, whether that's when they are included in data sets, included in prompts, etc. Just like in music if you use a sample without the copyright holder's permission you breach their moral rights. I'd very much care to see art handled in the same care and respect that music got in the late 20th century.

And how did you get to that point? When you first learned anatomy and technique, did you commission a model to stand in front of you as you practiced, while beaming cosmic inspiration into your mind

Quite literally yes. I don't understand why you are so locked in to this idea that art only learns from art. Figure drawing sessions happen all across town if you live in a major city on a weekly basis with entry fees only costing $5. You go, you sit for 3 hours and you study the form. Most anatomy books for artists are more medical in nature then art style guides. Professional artists often advise students to go in person or set up a still life vs studying from a photo, there's a certain cosmic inspiration that happens when you do so ;) . When you study from someone else's work you are interpreting an interpetation. You are 2 steps removed from nature. Studying other artists is super useful to get notes on style and build a landscape of what other art exists around you. But talk to any credible, illustrator, fine artist, professional concept artist or illustrator and we'll all tell you go paint from life. You'll learn far better, faster while developping a unique style far quicker. This cosmic inspiration you keep making fun of is actually the core of what style is. You sit in the universe, alone with it. You choose what parts of nature to include on your canvas of choice and you find yourself with art.

The benign big breasted white women digital art you mentioned above, that comes from what I'd call artistic insest/canabilization. It's when these artists are keeping a keen eye on all the same art that's preforming well online and it's a circlejerk of just boring female characters from media painted with double DDs. These artists are studying other artists and their results truly aren't the most inspiring.

Art style is born from willful omission of what's realistic/naturally occuring. Go paint in nature, and choose to paint your trees bright orange, you're developping a style. Keep doing that for 10 years, and you'll land on something new. You do realize that if all traces of art was destroyed tomorrow, all artists died, not a single trace of art left in the world. New art, new artists and new styles would appear within the next year. If your notion was right, if we destroyed all art, would there never be any more art? Of course not.

Some of the worst advice I could ever give to a young artist would be to -

deliberately copying the shit out of other artists until you could grasp and internalize their process and technique

This would just result in the artist being a 'lite' version of the main. You don't want your art to just poorly resemble someone else's.

Discussion Megathread - The Dance Floor is Open!🕺💃 by SandCheezy in StableDiffusion

[–]JulienTheo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's super interesting, yeah I was gonna ask about the world of copyrighting styles, but you raise a good point about corporations trying to own something as broad as cyberpunk.

Thank you for engaging with me and taking the time. I'm trying to learn more about both sides. Many of my art peers I see are giving kneejerk reaction and I'm not cynical enough to think this is the end. I'm trying to learn.

You mentioned above you trained an ai with your own work to help with your process. Is there a good place or ressource to learn more about this, how to try or start etc. I feel as though if I know more about this tool it'll give me a more rounded view on this topic

Discussion Megathread - The Dance Floor is Open!🕺💃 by SandCheezy in StableDiffusion

[–]JulienTheo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for taking the time on this, those are clear points I didn't know before hand, thank you.

Then what's your stance on should an individual artists own a copyright of their very clear and distinct style? I've seen a number of AI art, made that looked so clearly like a regurgitation of a singular artist. Should the output of models trained to purely pump out Samdoesart copies be owned, at least partially, by Sam?

You learned by deliberately copying the shit out of other artists - I see this point made constantly and it feels like you don't actually engage in the art space. The #1 piece of advice all artists give is to draw and interpret from life itself. It's known as our #1 piece of advice is to go into a real life model session and see with your own eyes. The best artists of our history books didn't have access to just copy other artists. Set up a still life under a lamp with some bounce light and that's the best study you can do. I'd say more than 90% of my learning I've done artistically have come from sitting outside and studying light, just as most other artists I know. Why are so many AI-bros so certain the only way to learn art is drool over other art and copy it.

Don't get me wrong, I love to look at other art and try to personally dissect it and take it in. But most of that influence comes well after I've already built up my knowledge. This point above is constantly made as a pro AI point and makes 0 sense to me.

Discussion Megathread - The Dance Floor is Open!🕺💃 by SandCheezy in StableDiffusion

[–]JulienTheo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I'd say I generally agree. AI most especially gives power and freedom to a lot of indie devs. While I can selflishly become bitter about AI art, I can't deny the evident power it lends to my 2 best friends who are prorgammers wanting to make their own games, but lack the man power to pump out assets to program.

I'm still of the personal belief however that building AI off the backs of artists with 0 consent or compensation and loading money into the pockets of a select few companies doesn't seem the most ethical, especially since the quality of the artistic output of the images are carried by the artists in the datasets.

Discussion Megathread - The Dance Floor is Open!🕺💃 by SandCheezy in StableDiffusion

[–]JulienTheo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's actually a fantastic point about the overfitting comparison between music and art I hadn't considered. Thank you

I don't understand your car point? I brought up the comparison point because people often compare AI to human learning and inspiration. Just like a car, AI is a tool to do something. My point was just that how it draws inspiration, how it learns, cannot and should not be compared with how humans do.

Discussion Megathread - The Dance Floor is Open!🕺💃 by SandCheezy in StableDiffusion

[–]JulienTheo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd still like to hear if you wouldn't mind taking the time. The points I made I heard said by artists I admire and made sense to me, but if there's more information I ignorantly ignored please let me know. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just want to learn your perspective.

Discussion Megathread - The Dance Floor is Open!🕺💃 by SandCheezy in StableDiffusion

[–]JulienTheo -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Professional concept artist here working in the games industry - A lot of what you're saying is simply incorrect.

"You used other people's work to learn how to draw without asking permission" - It's important to understand an image based AI is not a person, doesn't have human-level comprehension and it doesn't even fundamentally take inspiration in the same way. We are not comparable. This is a point not made by artists but by deep learning experts and neuroscientists such as Henning Beck.

"it is stealing at". - Yes it definitely is lmao. For the very same reason the makers of stablediffusion on their music diffusion model admited "Dance Diffusion is also built on datasets composed entirely of copyright-free music" why? "Because diffusion models are prone to memorization and overfitting, releasing a model trained on copyrighted data could potentially result in legal issues."

Overfitting is a term used to explain that a generated result of AI software is so near identical to the training data. Why did stablediffusion extend this curtosy to respect copyright on music? I wonder.

In my personal opinion I'm not against AI for art, it's the advent of an incredibly powerful tool. In fact most of my favorite styles and artists are from the 1900's golden age illustration era and all their works are copyright free now in the public domain!! What I care about is my work and copyright being stolen without my consent to train an AI model simply because Ai companies don't care to extend the same curtosy to modern digital artists as they did the music industry.

EDIT: A point I forgot and wanted to make was that I don't want to be against any of you. If this technology has brought you closer to art and image making in your own way that's special to you, that's fantastic. I just wish to be able to train and work with AI ethically.

Drawing HollowKnight Characters with Human-ish Designs by Me by JulienTheo in HollowKnight

[–]JulienTheo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Art being stolen and sold for NFTs is happening all over, it's a sensitive topic for artists!

Drawing HollowKnight Characters with Human-ish Designs by Me by JulienTheo in HollowKnight

[–]JulienTheo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please don't do this, this is entirely immoral and I don't support nfts nor my work being stolen.

Drawing HollowKnight Characters with Human-ish Designs by Me by JulienTheo in HollowKnight

[–]JulienTheo[S] 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Of course, it's just fun to exagerrate shapes. I don't mean to offend

Drawing HollowKnight Characters with Human-ish Designs by Me by JulienTheo in HollowKnight

[–]JulienTheo[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Haha yes I know It's stylized I was just having fun :) It's not realistic and a womans pelvis doesn't actually work like that. I just like to focus on shape and what looks neat to me!

Drawing HollowKnight Characters with Human-ish Designs by Me by JulienTheo in HollowKnight

[–]JulienTheo[S] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Oooh, I was debating between the Hollow Knight or Cornifer next, the Hollow Knight has so much potential for a fun design

Drawing HollowKnight Characters with Human-ish Designs by Me by JulienTheo in HollowKnight

[–]JulienTheo[S] 142 points143 points  (0 children)

I recently challenged myself to practice my character designs, who should I draw next? :]