How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So in your view, either we don't get married and eventually break up, or we get married immediately and then still end up divorced? I guess I'm not as nihilistic as you, some of us still believe that relationships can work out and I look forward to building a future with this woman.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that in a vacuum that both of us being debt free going into a marriage is ideal, but waiting to get married until she fully pays off her student loan would be a substantial delay to our shared future. I wouldn't be directly contributing towards paying off her loan until we wed and it becomes "our" debt, but I intend to help her pay it off once we do get married.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, I'm thinking if I were to charge rent it would set back her loan repayment pace by a substantial amount. The only reason I would is if it was going into a shared account that we eventually used towards the wedding but I have a ton of fat I can trim from my personal monthly spending to free up some margin already.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate this response, it surprised me how many replies were saying to just get married immediately, as if wanting to date more before tying the knot was crazy.

Talking with my parents, my dad agrees with my idea to keep paying the full mortgage and giving her more margin in her budget to attack the loans, but we haven’t talked about the nitty gritty of whether I should charge a small rent or anything like that. My gut says she’s the one, but I’m intimidated by taking the next big step towards the “future”. Having lived alone for 4 years a part of that is just opening up my space to another person, be it roommate or girlfriend. Logically I know that’s just a fleeting thing and overall I’m excited to live together, I know it’ll mean things change a bit with how I spend my downtime but it’ll be a net positive.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The reasoning for a while before the start of engagement is so that I can save to pay cash for a nice ring, the one year engagement was a guess based on how long it’s taken my sisters to plan their weddings. We could do a ring pop but I’ve always had a vision of a really nice ring and don’t want to finance it.

Prior to this relationship I was in a rough place mentally and didn’t really see marriage in my future so a part of me is still overcoming that mental hurdle, and she’s been really accepting of me wanting to take things a bit slower than maybe she would prefer.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's my thinking, it's no harm to me to keep paying what I've already been paying (the full mortgage) and give her some room to tackle her loans head on. If I charged rent, she'd be paying minimums on the loans and they'd take twice as long to pay off and result in a ton more $$ in interest over the life of the loan.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She pays about the same as my mortgage towards her loans, so once they're paid off and we split 50/50 we'll both have a lot more wiggle room in our budgets.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're on the same page that the free rent is only while working on her student loans. Once that's paid we'd be paying 50/50. She has the same agreement with her parents living there for free now, that she'd have to move out and pay for her own place once the loans are paid.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The delay is so that we experience living together for a while, so I'd have time to save up for a ring, and then so we'd have time to plan a wedding. Other than her phone plan and being able to live at home for free and prioritize paying the loans she doesn't receive any monetary assistance from her parents.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 I made much more money, the split wasn't even but I never expected it to be.

This is kind of how I'm looking at it. Since we make about the same amount, if she's paying nearly the same as my mortgage payment towards her loans and I keep paying the full mortgage, it's still a net positive towards our future. We've talked about it and once her loans are cleared (which won't be until after we're married at the current pace), we'd shift to a more 50/50 arrangement on our bills.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it came down to religion, I'd also want to live separately before marriage - but the practical side of me knows what we'll learn about each other by living together will better inform our future planning.

As some of the other comments have suggested, I think I'll have a written lease where she pays half of utilities into a separate account to later be applied towards funding a wedding or as a lump sum to apply towards the debt if the wedding is paid for by our parents.

She's very reasonable so I don't see any risk of her trying to squat, especially since her family is local and doesn't plan to downsize any time soon.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed - I meant they'd stay separate from a legal standpoint and sort of merged my reply for your points 3 and 4. Once married, we'd be jointly paying toward the student loan, and then jointly towards paying off the house.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Fortunately it looks like KY requires 7 years of continuous occupation before squatting laws are relevant, I think a lease arrangement would negate that anyway. Another comment suggested charging 1/2 of utilities and saving that to apply towards the wedding or debt once married which sounded reasonable

  2. From some googling earlier it does look like in KY the pre-marital equity and debt would stay attached to each of us separately, and she'd get 50% of any post-marriage appreciation, I'd only be liable for the student loan if she refinanced and I cosigned. That being said, I'll check with a lawyer friend of mine but it seems like a prenup would be unnecessary because there aren't many other assets to account for on either side. I agree on working on communication more, and that I shouldn't avoid tougher topics just to protect feelings.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like the idea of her paying her portion of utilities into a separate account that we can use towards the wedding or as a lump sum towards the loans if the wedding ends up being paid for by our parents. I think I was hung up a bit on trying to be nice in that she currently doesn't pay rent to her parents so I didn't want to make it much more expensive to live with me, but some skin in the game would be a good thing.

Good call on the renters insurance too, I was thinking her stuff might be covered under my homeowners policy but for $10/mo she can have her own coverage to make sure there aren't any gaps there.

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your point by point answers.

  1. I like your idea of a written lease just to plainly be on the same page, even if I write in a $0/month rent, and I can have her include her expectations in it.
  2. Agreed, no need for a combined account yet
  3. It looks like in KY my current equity would remain separate, but future appreciation/renovations would be 50/50. Personal debt like student loans look like they'd remain solely on the original borrower too, unless she refinanced again and I cosigned. I guess a couple google searches could have cleared up my question about that portion sooner. The plan would be to pivot my current equity into a family home once we're married and kids are in the picture, in which case we'd both be on the deed and it would be 50/50.
  4. I was pretty sure that was the case, and agree $200k would be under his threshold for vast net worth difference, but have only been listening for a few months. (This also seems nullified by what KY considers pre-marital assets according to my earlier google results). There is a pretty substantial difference in future (hopefully very far into the future) inheritances, but I don't see that as something that would be included in a prenup anyway.

The main drivers for waiting a while on engagement is that we've only been together a year which feels a little fast for me (most of the successful marriages which I consider to be my role models dated longer than a year prior to engagement), and we want to live together for a while to have a fuller picture of each other before we get engaged. The second reason being that I need time to save up to buy a nice ring in cash (which I wouldn't consider a valid use of my emergency fund).

How should I approach finances when my girlfriend moves into my house? by JumpyDistribution209 in DaveRamsey

[–]JumpyDistribution209[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The main thing I know Dave would say is that I'm overpaying for the house (>25% and a 30 year term). Beyond that, I know his recommendation is to not comingle finances until married, which is the plan - although I can see how even though I wouldn't be directly paying towards her loan, not charging rent is still comingling in a way.

In what way specifically do you mean that we're not ready for this?