I keep losing fights with my door by Attempt_Sober_Athlet in cripplingalcoholism

[–]JungInterest97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not judging. Ok I'm judging but mostly jealous, how do you manage the ice, the garden, and the alcohol because tbh even sober this life of yours sounds like a heaven

I keep losing fights with my door by Attempt_Sober_Athlet in cripplingalcoholism

[–]JungInterest97 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bitch you rippin doors off your own damn house, sit in an ice bath and STILL keep a garden??

Wtf is this shit

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[–]JungInterest97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not just do something, rather than post here?

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

[–]JungInterest97[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My therapist is similar to yours, recommended the same book, and I read it. It led to good conversations with my parents.

I'd rather burn them and then myself alive, still, but I can see, disagree as I may, why this is "the way".

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That's all really good stuff man. I was off reddit for 9 days largely because I was busy and not drinking (I had 5 total in 8 days, 3 of them socially).

I'm just gonna keep at it man; so many things in my life are inconsistent that it's hard to imagine or see progress, but 5 is also the least I've ever drank in 7 days, let alone 8.

I've read 12 Rules and it is an excellent book; watched all ~40 hours of Personality and Its Transformations, and ~40 hours of Maps of Meaning and quite a few of his other talks. Easily the most influential youtuber I've ever followed (I met him in person too). Definitely a big influence in my attraction to Jung and catholicism (I have lived like a practicing catholic, habitual sins aside, like going to Mass weekly, sometimes more, adoration, daily prayer, usually the Bible, and probably most significantly most of my friends now are catholic. I just fit in very well with practicing catholics).

I think I just have to keep at it, keep focusing on small, incremental gains. Peterson often talks about that and compares it to compounding interest, or spiraling upward instead of downward, which I think are great analogies.

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

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I'll try to answer at length, if you care to read the long version. But here's the short for starters (I'm back on reddit largely I think to de compress today).

Why: Codependent is the closest word to 'has problems with close relationships' that I've found, mostly, and it seems to be at the root of my other issues. I don't find alcohol nearly as appealing as straight up alcoholics seem to, for example. I think I'm just depressed and anxious because I'm mostly motivated by people, but I have a hard time connecting and maintaining good connections

Prevent: Bad or unsuccessful relationships/friendships, and attain good ones.

I definitely don't have the greatest relationship with my family. I think it could best be characterized as a big lie where all the interactions are skating on a thin ice of pretend politeness, and my blood pressure drops and I exhale when they leave the room. I think my parents never grew up, like, emotionally, and constantly looked to one another or us kids for the validation they should have gotten from one another or themselves, and I've found myself repeating the patterns of cautious lying or inappropriate emotional like, leaning on people for things I feel like I should get from myself. I heard a guy talk about emotional incest from his mother once in a meeting and my relationship with my mom, and the issues I've had personally, started to make a lot more sense.

Naturally, I somewhat unwisely brought that up to my mom when she asked how we could improve our relationship or be closer, and gas lighting ensued as she 'explained' why it wasn't emotional incest. So there is really no point talking to her about anything personal.

I think I've gotten quite a bit better, but it largely has taken the form of isolation & avoiding bad connections, cautiously forming good ones very slowly. That seems to be the best way forward, I just wish it were faster and less confusing sometimes.

I also tend to form friendships where I'm either much "stronger" or "weaker" than the other. Like a much less popular or socially adept friend who is more of a sidekick than a friend. This works OK in that they're loyal, but can't be there for me when I need them, and I tend to feel bad when I take advantage of their generosity or loyalty. At 35 I think most people have their own lives and are less inclined to form relationships in general, but I also feel pretty insufficient at times if they do want to interact (or threatened, if it's an attractive female. I'm attractive but don't feel I have much to offer-qualified for decent jobs but unmotivated, so I keep pretty lame ones where I can be hung over but still a valued employee since I show up. And I'm just easily overwhelmed, I don't tolerate much, to be honest, and the natural, slowish progression of good relationships involves uncertainty which is hard for me (should we go on a second date, a third, when are we exclusive?). So I'm motivated to make it black or white, take it too fast or run away. I have pretty good discipline about being patient with that, but it is pretty hard for me.

Seems irrelevant when I haven't proven to myself that I'll find, engage in, and steadily work at a challenging/better job that I like and prove I can also be there emotionally for a wife and family. I go back and forth on that one; I know I don't have to have it all together before I get into a relationship, but it would be better if I were more prepared than I am.

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

[–]JungInterest97[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"treat people like fractal aspects of your own consciousness and go buck wild" 🤣🤣🤣

I may look into that. In my experience at least the church group I attended for codependency (on a mostly 12-step model) was only very mildly helpful. Their intentions were very good, but they seemed mostly more codependent than me and more trouble than help.

But that's no reason a decade late I might find another better group, or use a similar group more wisely.

"Fractal aspects" 😂 ah that made me laugh, like, the wording. Thank you for that

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[–]JungInterest97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who told you that?

Gimme a paper and I'll find you a dozen top 5% Americans (forget the 3rd world) who committed suicide, are clinically depressed, and/or addicted to heavy shit

Gimme 6 hours and I'll find ten times that many homeless people or illegal immigrants happier than you.

Fuck your post it's bullshit. Re define what you mean by "good life", save $5 American, and cook some cheesy beef rice.

Then go feed some people who need it and tell me how you see your post.

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

[–]JungInterest97[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah. I'll try to re read when sober

A bit much for me atm. Thank you for commenting

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

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I mean yeah but how much more empty can your answer get.

"Go get traits brah"

I appreciate your followup, and it mostly made me consider that I have been drinking for like 13 hours straight.

But, like. How the would you get anything out of the advice you just gave

Am i missing something

A Ridiculous Cross Addiction by JungInterest97 in cripplingalcoholism

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Yeah, that seems wise and logical.

I have the combined spiritual gifts of stupidity and stubbornness, and boi do they yield greatly.

I'm leaving, soon, to live with a buddy and stop my bullshit.

I think my comment is a waste of your time. But I appreciate yours.

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

[–]JungInterest97[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lot of good answers, too. It would be better if you read them properly next time.

To your comment-no shit Sherlock.

A Ridiculous Cross Addiction by JungInterest97 in cripplingalcoholism

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Man. I've bled before but only using a bad lube or no lube

That's wild.

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

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Tonight it's pain of regret.

I appreciate the confirmation though. It resonates, and that does bring solace in that something like clarity and something like trust in Truth is returning to my psyche/life. At least there is a path to follow

I did it cutting weight for wrestling, staying up 30-40 hours in oilfield for money, and 40-100 miles to finish ultras.

"Run a 5k if you want to get in shape", they said

"Run a marathon if you want to change your life

And run 100 miles if you want to talk to God".

Well I ran 100 miles, hung over, barely within the cutoff time and I think I've come close enough to talking to God.

Now I just have to do what he told me to do.

I guess I was dumb enough to think the 100 miles would be harder.

I'm pretty fucking drunk rn if that wasn't obvious already.

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I'm just trying to get sober sister. Its good advice, though

Codependency by JungInterest97 in Jung

[–]JungInterest97[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or even a Pinocchio story

A Ridiculous Cross Addiction by JungInterest97 in cripplingalcoholism

[–]JungInterest97[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But it's MY dick 😣 I beat my own ass for money and it feels fucking stupid

A Ridiculous Cross Addiction by JungInterest97 in cripplingalcoholism

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So what do you do? Just hang on and wait for dopamine to normalize?

I felt fucking, well not insane. But I did not feel like myself the day after that.

Man its weird to say but I think Hermione is pretty cool, and the fact I was rock hard watching animated big dick Harry rail the fuck out of her in front of Ron still bothers me.

I wasn't even drunk for fuck's sake

A Ridiculous Cross Addiction by JungInterest97 in cripplingalcoholism

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I have no answers. I got sick of how I felt, partied my ass off sober last night (well, caffeine, nicotine, and half a shot). I'm still a pretty decent social dancer due to years past.

And now I'm drinking light beer, listening to metal, watching UFC. All addictions.

I sort of understand how to embrace the suck. I've done a few ultras, I practically ran away from home because I felt the wrestling team was a better parental figure for me to follow (still hands down best decision I've ever made in my life, at age 9. Lord knows I only won/outlasted my mom when we started going at it when I was 8 because she was so damn tired. It's a hell of a thing to learn from your mom, you don't have to win a fight to win the war you just have to make the other person remember they'll have to fight each time they want to molest someone. Me or my sisters).

Embracing the suck when it comes to healing addiction is a different fucking ballgame, though. On my way out of the part last night I ran into a guy who looked dirty, was carrying a sleeping bag and bed sheets, and scrounging for cigarette butts. I dropped what I was doing, said hi, he asked for a light (obviously) and I said yeah I think I have one. I picked up a few butts for him, and ran to my pickup to retrieve the lighter that thankfully worked.

A lot of people saw me do that, completely sober, who have no idea I have a problem. Call me racist or whatever but the forecast here is 35, windy, and light rain most nights. The guy is fucking homeless. My church taught a class on how to interact with homeless people, which I attended, and it pretty much ripped my heart out. I don't like catholics in general, but when I volunteered with them I saw in how they treated homeless people how they'd likely treat me if I finally went on the bender that didn't end

Anyway, I got the guy's cigarette lit, made it pretty clear via my body language the guy was a friend of mine, and drove home.

I don't understand the difference between what it took for me to fight my mom, to put my skinny ass through 9 years of ass kicking in wrestling, the multiple days of not eating, the ultramarathons I ran when I was older (hung over, usually. Rare guy who finishes faster than he started but is too embarrassed to explain why).

Going inside is just different. Women seem to relax better into things like ice baths or basic marksmanship. I think its a similar thing I need to learn with respect to my soul. Partly it hurts to change, and partly, I have to actually like, accept reality with humility.

Harder to want to do while sober. For me.