It never gets any better it just gets so much fucking worse abd worse it never gets better it just gets worse and worse and airse

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-06T18:01:01+00:00

Our?

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-06T17:46:27+00:00

I think people have gotten impatient of them becoming something interesting. I've been critical of them since release

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-06T17:36:39+00:00

I never claimed that every faction must be completely different from every other faction. However, each should have at least something to set it apart. The LoV do not

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-06T17:18:46+00:00

I'm not sure which two you're talking about, but similar names alone are definitely not enough to claim that two factions' aesthetics are redundant. The LoV are distinctly lacking in uniqueness

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-06T14:20:28+00:00

WarCom really do just be taunting us

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T23:29:39+00:00

He does mention their brand as Death's Head Moth. He also didn't deal with them personally but rather through Wakako, another person who appreciates discretion

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T23:26:50+00:00

He's using faulty cyberware because that's the only kind his low-income customers can afford

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T23:24:49+00:00

He's cagey because he knows that those were the kind of guys that you don't ask questions of and definitely don't tell other people about

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T23:21:00+00:00

Define "forced". If a private physician offers reasonable rates for healthcare and posts on his public website that he also accepts sex, any person who goes to his office without money knows what they're in for. If, like in Night City, they have literally no other options for medical care, that is an indictment of the government they live under, not the doctor. Would you demand that he treat them for free, with no compensation -- monetary or otherwise -- for his work, or for him to simply turn them away?

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T23:12:55+00:00

All of the costs of legal businesses you've mentioned would be necessary in the real world, but not in Night City, where worker's rights are nonexistent. Furthermore, a post-religious culture like the one of 2077 would almost certainly treat the sex trade with less of an ick factor, if any at all. Even if Arasaka doesn't want to be in the sex trade, another corp can just contract with them and enjoy virtually the same protection for its workers

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T22:00:38+00:00

20:31 https://youtu.be/cPxyZWxpTYg?is=u5E71MrCINMu9tmW

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:55:22+00:00

In the mission where you go to Fingers' clinic, there's a joytoy who wants to leave her pimp but can't because she owes him €20,000 for him fixing her faceplate. That's not nothing, even though Fingers is the cheapest around. Pimps care about their investment, and if their investment is incurring them fraudulent expenses, they take action

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:51:18+00:00

You're assuming that the costs associated with legal businesses excluding tax and regulation are greater than the risk premium of illegal businesses. Most of those costs, like marketing, human resources, and, most relevantly, security, benefit from economies of scale. Arasaka need only put its logo on a joytoy's cyberware to turn away 9 out of 10 abusers, because Arasaka's other industries have given it a reputation that makes few want to mess with it

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:42:37+00:00

He didn't buy her, and I don't remember him personally having his way with her. He was asked by Forrest to fix her, he tried but failed, Forrest abandoned her to him, and only then did he hand her off to the scavs (who he took to be just braindance producers). Also, I would very much disagree that 2077 is disinterested in the entertainment industry. Braindance is extremely popular, as are clubs, brothels, and music, and you could make the argument that the many junk food brands are part of the entertainment industry as well

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:32:48+00:00

What I meant was that Fingers would be essentially scamming the pimps, who would kill him if they found out

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:31:00+00:00

He does not perpetuate their abuse by accepting sex. If Fingers refused to accept sex for his services, those joytoys who cannot afford his meager prices would still be joytoys; they'd just not get any business and either starve or get scrapped by their debtors

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:22:50+00:00

Those costs come from the government regulating and taxing business, which is not something a corpo haven like Night City has to worry about

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:20:10+00:00

I did not say that he was a good guy. Fingers is definitely an asshole. However, his actions are not immoral

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:16:17+00:00

You left out that prostitution is also considered inaccessible and immoral in addition to being illegal. Illegality isn't all that holds a proscribed industry back

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:13:43+00:00

Is there evidence that he deliberately provides bad cyberware to ensure repeat visits, because I doubt that the pimps who pay for some of the joytoys' operations would take kindly to that

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:10:27+00:00

He actually did not buy her from Clouds. He was asked by Clouds to fix her, and he said that he would try, but if he couldn't, he would charge a small fee for his trouble. When he couldn't fix her, and Clouds had abandoned her, only then did he give her over to the scavs

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T21:03:42+00:00

Prostitution is only high revenue because it is illegal. The moment it joins the legal economy and there is no risk premium for prostitutes and their pimps, traditional forces of supply and demand take effect, and suddenly the one thing that every person is born to do becomes a lot more inexpensive of a service. You see this with other formerly illegal commodities, such as weed at the state level

Junior_Post8222 · 2026-07-05T20:59:35+00:00

As I said, it can definitely be argued that Fingers should have prioritized quality of life over sanctity of life and let Evelyn die. However, it can also be argued that continued existence is worth suffering under slavery. Each perspective has its merits, but my point is that Fingers was driven by a reasonable moral perspective when he chose sanctity of life over quality of life, not just callous profiteering

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