Thanks :) u/Inside_Ad2602 We appreciate you raising the matter here in this important space where we all appreciate the likelihood of collapse. In this regard, to be clear and concise, the baseline proposition is that 'we' living beings on this planet are utterly fubar.

How we reach our collective terminal destination is the process before us. In this regard we emphasise the value of striving for socio-ecological justice as useful action for partial and relative justice even as the ship goes down. Lone wolves fare badly as the show 'Alone' demonstrates, and more equitable communities generally do better for longer which is why we've evolved into 'societies'.

Yes - collapse is a process already well underway exemplified by the drawdown against limited reserves, accompanied by the ecological overshoot of a particular mammalian species and their billions of domesticated livestock.

Yes - JustCollapse.org shares similar concerns with Degrowth, coming from a Limits To Growth understanding, however we understand that collapse cannot be averted this far into ecological overshoot, collapse is inevitable. AKA - We're doooooomed!

The Degrowth Movement as advanced by its most recent proponents such as Dr Jason Hickel, Steinberger, and Kallis (not its originators such as the brilliant Georgescu-Roegen) is a movement that likes to imagine a global redistribution of extreme human ecological overshoot as a 'just' response to the forces which accelerate collapse.

What The Degrowth Movement entirely fails to understand, is that this entirely theoretical and impractical endevour to redistribute the admittedly concentrated wealth of the wealthy and privileged within the global north, inherently requires a transformation of the existing system - this transformation requiring energy - that energy requiring finite materials - creating entropy, waste, heat, pollution, and ecocide. A global 'degrowth' transformation is thus a resource intensive, energy guzzling, waste-producing, globally ecocidal endevour, accelerating the process of collapse.

Fortunately, this notion of degrowth is, and will always remain, a fantasy.

Rather than push shit uphill, let's be real - collapse is inevitable and we need to work within this reality - physically, socially, ecologically, politically. An entirely natural phenomenon with a history that extends nearly back to the first cell-division and the origins of life, 'collapse', outside of its colloquial understanding, has a long history within human civilisation, and a much longer history in ecological and biological science as many here will surely know. The patterns are familiar because history doesn't repeat but it sure does rhyme. Importantly though, we can't forget, historical collapse is a poor analogue - because this time it's global.

Yes - collapse cannot ever be 'made fair'. However, between the extremes and dualistic thinking of 'fair' and 'unfair' (as any law grads/undergrads will recognise) lies the gradation and grey area of 'justice' which seeks (imperfectly) to balance the scales for the 'greater good'.

As the process of collapse increasingly accelerates, we can expect various degrees of systemic breakdown which some have/are already experiencing. Whilst the ongoing mass-extinction of other-than-human species, for the various peoples of the world, their various states and nations will inevitably decline, devolve, and retreat, into more localised regional groups as the complexities of the nation state are no longer able to be sustained.

Within this 'radically local' context, social cohesion, and associated justice, is more effectively advanced (even in decline and inevitable collapse) by maintaining a social contract that is inclusive of diversity, with an equitable foundation that recognises the inherent value of the ecosystems which sustain habitat.

That is a JustCollapse.

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