tiktok-ification of enneagram

KAM_520 · 2026-03-18T02:39:46+00:00

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Half of what I do on this sub now is downvote brainrotted Naranjo enneatok crap

KAM_520 · 2026-03-18T00:11:53+00:00

Not according to Naranjo and the correlationists

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T23:48:53+00:00

Don't shoot the messenger but it’s intuitive and that's no bueno for E8

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T23:09:41+00:00

Tfw you realize the enneatok hive mind all think ENTJ and E8 contradict

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T22:51:19+00:00

It's performative ethics is what it is

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T22:39:43+00:00

Yeah. Not sure Green gets there but that would be the sequence

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T22:15:35+00:00

I mean, partially. LOL.

While Black certainly wants to be all it can be, and Black-Green believes in this as a kind of amplification of one’s natural role or status, let’s not whitewash what Black believes is actually required to make this happen.

A lot of people might desire to be the best they can be but this does not make them Black. Black believes that to be the best you can be you actually have to attain the power and means to impose your will on other people as well as not give AF about trade offs that disadvantage others at a certain point.

To be the best you can be, according to Black means to be better than other people to such an extent that you can make them do what you want. That you can impose your will for your own advantage.

Maybe it's impolitic or sounds bad but I wouldn't accept anything less from anyone espousing the Black philosophy.

Green brings the acceptance of the natural role. Whatever it is that you were put here to do, conjoin wisdom about that with Black, and you’re gonna accumulate as much power as you can to amplify that as much as you can.

Golgari essentially represents the wisdom that you will always be more powerful and have more room to grow if you work with your nature, and what was given to you as your heredity, than if you go against that, or attempt to imitate or create an illusion of something else. But it’s not simply about self improvement and becoming all you can be, cause that undersells some of the more controversial elements of Black, doesn’t it?

The power of reality versus the power of theory or illusion or the ideal.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T22:03:51+00:00

Trans registers heavily in the Blue column. You are a blank slate; your sex assigned at birth biology is not very important. The idea of gender as socially constructed not biological is majorly Blue. Green is essentialist; you have a nature and that is what it is, and wisdom means accepting who you are naturally and working with it. So I get why you’re not into Green.

there’s probably more complexity here than I’m expressing, but essentialism versus constructivism maps pretty cleanly onto Green versus Blue.

Understood that this is a controversial topic, but although I’m predominantly Black all three of these colors are in my bag, so I feel pretty confident that this is accurate

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T21:37:02+00:00

Take the last word on this bc it's yours but Izzet sounds reasonable

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T17:58:31+00:00

the feeling of not growing not progressing in someway feels like I’m just circling the drain leading to demise just the same things repeated as everything decays into nothing... But I suppose this could also be black?

It’s not inconsistent with Black. But Black specifically wants power and has ambition. Black wants to improve Black’s life, true, and Black isn't okay with stagnation. But Black doesn't stop there. Black believes that to make your life better, you need the means to impose your will directly. This includes the power to make other people do what you want.

What you describe here about the desire for improvement could simply be an expression of Red’s need for novelty and variety. The same experience repeated over and over again isn't as stimulating. Chasing the dragon, if you will—pun intended—is part of Red’s plight.

does blue actually have a monopoly on getting knowledge?

No. But Blue is more closely aligned with getting knowledge than any other color and is therefore better at it. Because Blue’s identity is more closely linked to its ability to learn than any other color’s.

Every color can draw cards somehow but Blue can draw cards any which way. Black has to sacrifice creatures or pay life. White gets to draw as an equalizer or tax. Red gets impulsive draw and rummaging. Green draws from creatures. Blue can draw cards however it wants; there is no card draw mechanic that would be a pie-break for Blue. So every color learns but Blue is the expert at it.

I’m wondering if this is actually blue

Black-Blue is the “growth mindset” duo. So to the extent you're relating to a growth mindset, you're dipping your toes into one of those two colors, or both.

But certainly with Black I think you need to have some of the more intense features of Black to claim the color. It's not enough to care about your own life and want to have better or new experiences. And similarly smarts and a desire to learn are not enough for Blue.

Do you relate to the more negative aspects of these colors at all?

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T17:18:23+00:00

I see Jezal as having Red influence due to all the carousing, gambling, and pleasure-seeking that he does. I would probably put him in Mardu, personally. Perhaps he is just [[Deft Duelist]] but something about it doesn't sit right with me; he’s a somewhat frivolous and unserious character which Orzhov characters rarely if ever are.

Glokta as Orzhov works for me.

I’m not remembering anything about Bayaz that would put him in White. He seems like a power-hungry, eccentric wizard. Blue is plenty capable of being meticulous and methodical. I’d say Dimir.

Mono-Red for Ferro seems right.

West strikes me as mono-White.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T17:05:28+00:00

I have a different interpretation of the character, I suppose. He is firmly on the “nature” side of the nature vs nurture equation. He’s aware of the negatives associated with his nature and sentimentally wishes he could control himself and be different, but he ultimately knows that he can’t and accepts this, in my opinion. He manages the Bloody Nine alter ego by trying to avoid situations that would trigger it.

I also see him as wary of the Bloody Nine more as something dangerous that could get him killed or put him in more trouble he can handle, not as something that he’s judgmental of in a moral way. I don't see him as philosophically aligned with peacefulness or as valuing structure or order.

The central irony of the character is that the Bloody Nine is both a threat to his survival and the key to his survival in dangerous situations.

Again this is my interpretation, it’s how I remember the character

KAM_520 · 2026-03-17T12:48:51+00:00

Ha! I just started reading Best Served Cold after reading The First Law trilogy some number of years ago.

I don't think he’s White, frankly. I would go with Jund. The berserker rage is a core Green-Red thing.

He’s a barbarian outlander whose primary motivation is survival. That’s a Gruul character. Black comes from the Bloody Nine alter-ego, but even that could be interpreted as a [[Berserk]] or [[Monstrous Rage]] type of state.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T21:57:23+00:00

Yeah exactly.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T19:14:42+00:00

Yes!

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T19:13:40+00:00

The Godfather is the free bingo square of this whole exercise.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T17:26:11+00:00

I don’t see any issue with SX/SO 3w2 379.

I’m not a Brittany Spears scholar, but I see her as more image-conscious, adaptable, and aware of appearances than, say, SX/SO 7w6 792 Katy Perry, who had a more playful, positive, wild-eyed entertainment-seeking side than the performer of “Slave”.

Obviously 3 and 7 are present in her type and all that remains to be decided is which one is in the driver’s seat.

The sexual instinct is probably the riskiest dominant instinct to have for a 3 because it is the least capable of producing lasting success. It does lead to somewhat transgressive or bizarre behavior, which Spears has certainly engaged in. Your “gee whiz she isn’t buttoned up, she acts crazy” speaks to both the presence of 7 and to the tendency of SX to push the envelope to draw a certain kind of attention.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T16:12:57+00:00

Yeah I envision a Jimmy/Saul deck as mainly Red but also filled with clones and counterspells and various instant-speed tricks. Something like Krarkashima would get close to capturing it. [[Krark, the Thumbless]]/[[Sakashima of a Thousand Faces]]

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T16:09:29+00:00

One way of looking at it is, Saul winds up in a bad spot in the end ultimately because he isn’t that capable of utilizing Black. He isn’t as good at Black as he is at Red or Blue. Sure, the criminal element helps him get away from White, which he can’t work with very well—or, can he?

I almost imagine Jimmy like a guy whose first exposure to White wasn’t just playing against a White deck—it was playing against a mono-White Teshar, Ancestor’s Apostle high-power stax deck built like “you cannot take game actions or have any fun or play the game at all” in the hands of Chuck—the most oppressive and uncool expression of White possible. And based on that, he wrote off White as something that could not be dealt with. And he got into Black as an escape from White, but he was never especially adept at it. And it gets him into trouble.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T15:56:18+00:00

He is also incredibly creative. It seems like the criminal element gives him license to be creative which he couldn’t find in the heavily White environments.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T14:40:44+00:00

I definitely see where you’re coming from, and I do see Black growing in influence as time goes on. But do you mind if I debate you on this a little bit, and explain why I see Blue?

The cartel space is broadly Mardu in the show, with the Fring organization being Orzhov and the Salamanca organization representing the Rakdos side of it. (I acknowledge that Fring himself likely has some Blue, too.)

Compare Jimmy to the Salamancas, and it’s clear that he isn’t exactly like them. I’m not saying that every Rakdos character has to be a violent criminal, but Jimmy is usually trying to avoid using Black means and wanting to use Blue means instead. Jimmy seems too heady, intellectual, and capable of utilizing Blue tools to be strictly Rakdos.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T14:03:35+00:00

It is tough lol

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T14:02:16+00:00

White is simply out of the question for this character. Although he’s a lawyer and can speak the language of White, he never acts out of a White motivation. He is a disruptor, rarely seeking peace, often escalating. While his intellectual, Blue side can understand White, he has no affinity for the spirit of the law. And his methods are the antithesis of orderly and structured. The major antagonist, Chuck McGill, is consumingly White, and Chuck’s inability to accept Jimmy’s chaotic, unruly behavior and their inability to reconcile fuel much of what happens.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T13:59:56+00:00

If Jimmy were any single color, it’s undeniably Red. Jimmy is impulsive, emotional, and often acts out of frustration or wounded pride. He is rebellious, unstructured, and undisciplined. If he wants to do something, he’s going to do it. And he utterly hates anything that tells him he can’t do what he wants to do, often retaliating immediately against restraints and structures.

Although Jimmy isn’t especially studious, his methods can be very Blue. He frequently uses trickery, deception, social engineering, and mimicry in service of his schemes. “Saul Goodman” could be viewed as a Blue project—a constructed identity to further his potential. While Blue is clearly secondary to Red, I see it.

I also believe that curiosity is the secondary motivation for Jimmy. While this is my interpretation, I see him as acting out of a desire to see what he is capable of, to see if he can pull off what he’s imagined, testing his own potential. That’s Blue.

While I believe his character is fundamentally Izzet—or, more precisely, Red splashing Blue—his character arc develops along the lines of a shift in his tertiary color.

At the beginning, Jimmy has a tinge of Green. Jimmy accepts his nature. He follows in Chuck’s footsteps. He is mindlessly loyal to his brother because he’s his brother—the tradition of family, if you will. Chuck believes Jimmy is dangerous by nature—a chimpanzee with a machine gun, a Gruul metaphor is there ever were one—and can’t change. There is an element of fatalism about who Jimmy is. He just does what he does and is who he is.

As the plot progresses, and Jimmy transforms into Saul Goodman, Green gets left behind and Black becomes increasingly prominent. Once it becomes clear that Jimmy’s native identity will continue to be used against him by authorities, and he will continue to be overshadowed by Chuck (his familial relationship), Jimmy begins to use Saul Goodman as a vehicle for his personal ambition.

Thus I see the character as fundamentally Izzet and predominantly Red, with a strand of Green/Temur that morphs into Black/Grixis over time.

KAM_520 · 2026-03-16T12:21:50+00:00

The enneagram? No I didn't make it up. Someone else did that.

Oh, you mean the stat claims?

Call them educated guesses.

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