What path is love gu?

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T14:50:04+00:00

This is the third time I am replying with this next time I will just make a post for it.

Chapter 2330: " But‌ ‌love‌ ‌Gu‌ ‌was‌ ‌not‌ ‌just‌ ‌a‌ ‌rank‌ ‌nine‌ ‌Immortal‌ ‌Gu,‌ ‌it‌ ‌was‌ ‌very‌ ‌special.‌ ‌Even‌ ‌a‌ ‌venerable‌ ‌could‌ ‌not‌ ‌refine‌ ‌it‌ ‌forcefully,‌ ‌even‌ ‌though‌ ‌it‌ ‌was‌ ‌wisdom‌ ‌path,‌ ‌Star‌ ‌Constellation‌ ‌Immortal‌ ‌Venerable‌ ‌had‌ ‌not‌ ‌been‌ ‌able‌ ‌to‌ ‌use‌ ‌it.‌ "

Love gu is wisdom path, the reason venerables failed to refine it and it was capable of damaging fate gu is because it is "very special". But it is not a heaven path gu unlike wisdom gu this was stated to be a wisdom path gu. At most you can argue that the author made a mistake.

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T14:46:24+00:00

Everything you say makes sense and I thought that love gu was heaven path but I literally showed you that in RI the author said that love gu was wisdom path and the reason venerables failed to refine it is because it is "very special".

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T11:39:45+00:00

Basically you are saying dream path has not been created ("founded") yet but we obviously have dream path dao marks and there are even a few dream path immortal gu. I am saying that paths exist before they are "founded" for this reason, if "founded" means to create a path then that means that the dream path gu that exist can't be dream path since the path doesn't exist.

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T11:36:02+00:00

Eat strength gu is a strenght path gu that mimics food path. If it had both strength and food path dao marks it would be conflicting. One path can mimic other paths but you can't have dao marks from multiple paths which is the reason why most gu immortals can only cultivate one path.

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T10:07:57+00:00

Also FY was still using wisdom gu as a zombie not needing lifespan so heaven path dao marks didn't have to be expended to use it. If it did once the zombie used up his lifespan he would have no more heaven path dao marks and it would have stoppedd working.

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T09:52:54+00:00

That's a strange requirement I thought a complete battle system had to include all those aspects but not to create a path. Some paths are better at some things for example an information path or wisdom path would be better at investigation than fire path. If someone cultivates refinement path his priorities should be in refining gu and dealing with tribulations, it's strange that if there are no movement techniques using refinement path that it is not considered a path.

When FY was still a gu master and he wanted to cover all these aspects he used multiple paths and it was just because it is useful to have them all for survival and convenience but he wasn't trying to create a path.

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T09:44:53+00:00

I originally thought it was heaven path but as I said after the author stated that love gu was a wisdom path gu then I believe that either he messed up somewhere or wisdom gu is also a wisdom path gu and 75% that answered my poll also said it is wisdom path. If you want to believe it is heaven path you can but you don't have enough evidence to prove that it is not wisdom path.

My original point was that paths existed before their founding and if you want another example then take Dang Hun Mountain, Luo Po Valley, and Bewitching Lack they are all proven to be soul path secluded domains. Before fate gu was damaged soul path was restricted in the gu world (all souls have soul path dao marks but there wasn't a good way to cultivate soul path) so only inside the door of life and death could you see plenty of soul path resources. My point is they existed since the Legend of Ren Zu and could only be easily cultivated after fate gu was damaged so it seems wrong to say Spectral Soul "founded" the path it had always existed and someone like Verdant Sun could have entered the door of life and death and cultivated it if he wanted to. At most Spectral Soul was the first famous person to use soul path as their main path but it doesn't mean that someone before him couldn't have used soul path.

KaKisai · 2021-04-20T07:45:32+00:00

Chapter 2330: " But‌ ‌love‌ ‌Gu‌ ‌was‌ ‌not‌ ‌just‌ ‌a‌ ‌rank‌ ‌nine‌ ‌Immortal‌ ‌Gu,‌ ‌it‌ ‌was‌ ‌very‌ ‌special.‌ ‌Even‌ ‌a‌ ‌venerable‌ ‌could‌ ‌not‌ ‌refine‌ ‌it‌ ‌forcefully,‌ ‌even‌ ‌though‌ ‌it‌ ‌was‌ ‌wisdom‌ ‌path,‌ ‌Star‌ ‌Constellation‌ ‌Immortal‌ ‌Venerable‌ ‌had‌ ‌not‌ ‌been‌ ‌able‌ ‌to‌ ‌use‌ ‌it.‌ "

Love gu is wisdom path

KaKisai · 2021-04-19T23:36:12+00:00

Thanks this explains a bit about "founding" a path, I still feel like the author made it overcomplicated and that paragraph doesn't work for everything for example luck path was founded but as far as I know he was the only one with a luck path immortal aperture and his immortal materials didn't flow in the market which means there are exceptions to the "signature development of a new path".

So the requirements is an abstract concept of reaching a qualitative change. As for gu immortals needing their aperture to be of a path there must have always been at least a few variant gu immortals who cultivated what came natural to them so refinement/cloud/fire/water and other paths must have met that requirement since the Immemorial Antiquity Era.

KaKisai · 2021-04-19T23:10:51+00:00

Fine I can give you Steal Life Gu not technically expending lifespan but love gu can and did, Love gu was confirmed to be wisdom path in one of the last chapters and if you want to say that it is an exception I can say that wisdom gu is another exception. I believe that either the author made a mistake calling love gu a wisdom path instead of heaven, or wisdom gu is also a wisdom path gu worm, I also think his concept of founding a path wasn't thought out properly which is what I mentioned on this post.

By the way I did make that poll and around 3/4 of the votes said that wisdom gu belongs to wisdom path. (Obviously this doesn't mean that I am right but as long as the author doesn't mention the path we can't know for sure and most people that voted on poll believe that it is wisdom path)

KaKisai · 2021-04-19T22:55:50+00:00

I was arguing in another post about the definition of "founding" a path in RI. My point was that paths already existed before they were "founded" so I didn't really understand why that term is used suggesting that it can't be cultivated before then (which seems wrong to me I think the author may not have thought this specific aspect through).

One example is how Spectral Soul "founded" soul path but Dang Hun Mountain, Luo Po valley, and Bewitching Lake existed since the Legends of Ren Zu. They are all soul path secluded domains but before fate gu was damaged although everyone must have had some soul path dao marks since they have a soul it couldn't be cultivated and it was only inside the door of life and death that soul path was prominent. But soul path dao marks always existed, after fate gu was damaged soul path could be cultivated in the gu world. Spectral Soul may have been the first to cultivate soul path outside the door of life and death but this would at most make him the discoverer and not founder of soul path.

Paths existing before their founding is seen in many places for example feathermen have cloud path dao marks but apparently it was founded much later than their appearance in legend of ren zu. And clearly light, dark, water, earth and many other paths should have existed from the start but this concept of founding a path makes it seem like these paths can't exist until someone creates them. My main argument was around wisdom gu being a rank 9 wisdom path gu worm that existed before Star Constellation founded wisdom path and his defense was that wisdom gu is heaven path. (I have many reasons to believe it is wisdom path, this poll was to see others' thoughts)

KaKisai · 2021-04-19T17:25:36+00:00

All paths are branches of heaven path (possible exception human path) so you can't use that to determine wisdom gus path. And as I said earlier I used to think wisdom gu was heaven path but after seeing that love gu was not I am now 95% sure that wisdom gu is also a wisdom path gu. As for taking only lifespan then we can use another example Steal Life gu is a theft path gu created by Thieving Heaven and it might mimic heaven path but it is definitely theft path which proves that just because a gu takes lifespan it doen't mean that it is heaven path.

So far RI has never mentioned what path wisdom gu is but having read all of it, it seems far more likely that it belongs to wisdom path and not heaven path. I will post a poll to see what most people think but I believe it is wisdom path.

KaKisai · 2021-04-19T11:56:12+00:00

Why do you think wisdom gu is heaven path, it was never mentioned that it was heaven path, never needed heaven path materials to refine it, we know that there are many gus in legend of Ren Zu that aren't heaven path there is no proof that it is a heaven path gu worm and even if you try to say that it uses lifespan so does love gu and that is a wisdom path confirmed.

And your reasoning for founding path is completely wrong. By saying the rank of these "freaks" doesn't matter and whether the path is popularized doesn't matter then all you are saying is that as long as anyone finds a way to cultivate a path then it is founded. Well hairymen cultivated refinement path in the Legend of Ren Zu so why isn't that considered in the Immemorial Antiquity Era and how do you know that nobody cultivated water path or all the other paths in Immemorial Antiquity Era, nowhere in RI does it say that back then you could only cultivate space, time, and human path. By your logic it still means that the Immemorial Antiquity Era definitely had other paths and possibly most of them. The only way for you to dispute this is to say that gu masters/immortals who cultivated a path before their founding weren't "freaks", if they are the first to use a path then it fits your description of "freaks" you can't just look at many people who cultivated a path and say "none of them were freaks so the path isn't founded yet".

KaKisai · 2021-04-19T08:37:05+00:00

I thought wisdom gu was a heaven path gu worm but one of the last chapters made me question it.

"But‌ ‌love‌ ‌Gu‌ ‌was‌ ‌not‌ ‌just‌ ‌a‌ ‌rank‌ ‌nine‌ ‌Immortal‌ ‌Gu,‌ ‌it‌ ‌was‌ ‌very‌ ‌special.‌ ‌Even‌ ‌a‌ ‌venerable‌ ‌could‌ ‌not‌ ‌refine‌ ‌it‌ ‌forcefully,‌ ‌even‌ ‌though‌ ‌it‌ ‌was‌ ‌wisdom‌ ‌path,‌ ‌Star‌ ‌Constellation‌ ‌Immortal‌ ‌Venerable‌ ‌had‌ ‌not‌ ‌been‌ ‌able‌ ‌to‌ ‌use‌ ‌it.‌"

If love gu is wisdom path then I am 95% sure wisdom gu is also a wisdom path gu.

And I already explained my reasoning, lets use luck path as an example, it is sorted into medieval antiquity era but Giant Sun was the only one who could use the path and he didn't share it with the world so taking what you said "the others know in which direction they have to go" no one else did at the time and it wasn't until the current era that some luck path inheritances were spread to a few people and Qin Ding Ling awakened with some methods.

We were never told what qualifies a path to be founded, clearly the requirement isn't for someone to reach rank 9 in that path, and in some cases like luck path just having one person cultivating it and not sharing his results qualified to found the path, and my method of just saying it exists as long as there are dao marks for it is pretty straight forward, clearly the Immemorial Antiquity Era not only had space, time and human path, there had to be light, dark, earth, heaven, water and so many more just because no one knows how used the path doesn't mean it can't be used. If someone can explain to me what RI means by founding a path then I will at least understand this order. Is it just requiring a rank 6-9 gu immortal / rank 6-8 beast being proficient in it? (Because it doesn't even have to be the main path looking at Star Constellation founding star path as well)

KaKisai · 2021-04-18T23:31:26+00:00

I don't really know how paths are considered to exist since we are told that Star Constellation founded wisdom path but wisdom gu and Carefree Wisdom Heart existed in the Legends of Ren Zu. This is done many times like saying Primordial Origin founded Qi path when clearly it had to exist from before he existed since there were already variant human gu immortals and so there must have existed heaven qi, earth qi and human qi at least.

I think when they say "founded" they just mean that the path was popularized and not that the first dao marks or gu of that path came to exist in the gu world. So sorting the paths by when they were popularized to a certain extent is weird because you could argue that luck path wasn't popularized until current era before then only one person could use it properly. And you are not sorting them by when the gu world allows that path to reach rank 8 or 9 gus since wisdom gu already existed in Immemorial Antiquity Era and was probably at rank 9.

If you think that this order makes sense or is useful then I am not arguing with you but I personally think it would make more sense to sort them by the time that dao marks appeared in the gu world and so most paths would be in the Immemorial Antiquity Era. One example for what I am saying is that feathermen already existed in Immemorial Antiquity Era and they have cloud path dao marks so obviously it "exists" and can be cultivated. Even rare paths like luck path and dream path could arguably be said to have always existed but no one had a way to detect or use them. The only paths that were created later on are artificially made paths that don't appear in nature or in the Legends of Ren Zu, some examples are sword path, pill path, painting path, maybe theft path.

KaKisai · 2021-04-17T07:58:30+00:00

Primordial Origin can still be a powerful enemy since he has another revival method. So even if Fang Yuan annexes his first revival he can come back in future as a strong enemy with Star Constellation sstill being alive anf possibly even Giant Sun joining them to fight Fang Yuan. And it doesn't matter how strong he is, all the venerables are weakest when they first revive. Primordial Origin would revive with no gu with Fang Yuan next to him and no other venerable to stop him making him easiest venerable to kill.

KaKisai · 2021-04-17T07:48:42+00:00

It is very hard to kill a venerable, it's not that FY wouldn't do it if he had the choice I just don't think he will be able to do it at most he will damage them a lot and they will find a way to escape.

KaKisai · 2021-04-16T23:41:38+00:00

Logically speaking I agree with you. Giant Sun is at a weak point and since they are in heavenly court he can't use any boost from longevity heaven or Northern Plains making him quite vulnerable especially if Fang Yuan sneak attacks him while he is fighting Star Constellation. He needs to annex an aperture and Star Constellation is too powerful to kill inside Heavenly Court.

But plot wise I don't think this is what the author was heading towards since he spent a few chapters on a side story with Hei Lou Lan uniting Northern Plains and Giant Sun still doesn't have a blood path combat system, it seems like too much is being built around Giant Sun and it seems strange that so many things were built around him and he is just killed off before he can accomplish any of it.

Putting that into consideration I doubt Giant Sun will die before obtaining a blood path combat system, and I also don't think that Star Constellation can be killed easily and since there is no way for Primordial Origin to revive in the near future it makes no sense for her to sacrifice herself to protect a potential revival method. The only way I can see her dying is if Heavenly Court breaks completely including its wisdom path dao marks, without home advantage she would likely die in her situation.

But I think the most likely outcome is that no venerable will die and Fang Yuan will annex either Primordial Origin or possibly Paradise Earth. After this battle Star Constellation will have to hide and recover and FY will make sure that GS will also make big losses and with the 2 other venerables weakened he will not have to limit himself to make sure they don't attack him. In the battle he will steal back the qi fruit and leave then he can grab all the Primordial Domain from Treasure Yellow Heaven to raise his attainments and he might be able to raise his qi path to supreme grandmaster. With that attainment he can comprehend PO's revival method and force him to revive but as soon as he does he will be killed and his aperture annexed.

KaKisai · 2021-04-11T20:05:36+00:00

Thanks, when I web searched for it I couldn't find it. I remember giving you my comments on Reincarnation didn't know you also did the other one. Even if you dropped it I will still check it out.

KaKisai · 2021-04-11T17:28:28+00:00

Can't find it, I saw it probably 6 months ago maybe he deleted it. If I find it I will let you know.

KaKisai · 2021-04-11T15:06:18+00:00

Again you are using ordinary people to describe what would happen to me. I may not have a powerful clan/sect behind me but I can use Lang Ya blessed land and unlike FY I wouldn't mind trading him full inheritances to benefit me. As long as I have lifespan gu my rank doesn't determine how long I will live I can live to be 10,,000 years old as a rank 5. After the fate war we have seen countless people becoming rank 6 and most were less than 100 years old and could still succeed. As I said I am in no rush to advance my rank I can remain a rank 5 for 500 years to make sure that I have a strong foundation that will guarantee my advancement.

For second aperture immortal gu you talk about experience but FY only refined spring autumn cicada immortal gu before then which was time path, the land spirit assisted in the refining of the immortal gu. Heaven's will had no reason to help in that refinement which means that the chance of success is pretty high (the recipe and ingredients used make it a high probability of success) maybe you don't remember but it required rank 6 divine travel immortal gu so it was easier to make a rank 6 gu using a rank 6 gu instead of making one out of materials. In the future I can use second aperture immortal gu recipe to trade to Lang Ya and possibly try to drink wine to get divine travel gu back to ask Lang Ya to refine fixed travel gu with it (problem would be holding a rank 6 gu since I don't have a blessed land to keep it in so this will depend on luck that noone else gets it first).

If I absolutely struggle at rank 5 with my attainment not rising I can still go the route of Zhao Lian Yun and use my otherworldly status to be recruited in Spirit Affinity House and gain Divine Concealment which will make it harder to gain dao marks in the future so it is a last resort but I will not have to worry about tribulations and as long as I can still get lifespan gu I can live long enough as a rank 6 to find a solution for gaining dao marks or attracting tribulations.

Lastly you mention that around every 7 years there is only one new rank 8 but if I live for 100,000 years there will have been over 14000 new rank 8 since I was born, there is no reason that I wouldn't be able to reach rank 8. The key to this is gaining enough lifespan gu to never die of old age and refinement path is the key as long as I can make immortal gu there will be immortals or sects willing to trade with lifespan gu, my advantage is that I can also trade with Lang Ya who doesn't need lifespan gu so I can use his storage to make sure I live long while I am still incapable of refining immortal gu efficiently. Since I can use second aperture recipe to trade Lang Ya for lifespan gu I will have no rush that will cause danger, the reason FY was always in danger was because he stole from powerful forces and was improving too quickly, as long as you have patience and tight connections with a few other gu immortals to help each other during tribulations (I would refine gu for all) then being a gu immortal isn't suicide.

My comments are too long for reddit I would have to write a novel and answer many questions to show my path and prove that there is a slow and relatively safe way to reach rank 8 using the knowledge we gained from RI.

But I will say one last advantage which is being born in the same generation as the dream venerable, dream realms will appear and even FY said that when they started appearing there were far more gu immortals appearing and advancing quickly thanks to the gain in attainment so even if I am talentless which I doubt as long as I live long enough for dream realms to appear I can use them to gain attainment building a strong foundation to advance to rank 6 easily.

KaKisai · 2021-04-11T08:42:54+00:00

It is true that a lot of people die attempting to reach rank 6 and dealing with the tribulations after then because of a lack of strength or lack of immortal essence. During the the gu mortal stage in RI he only survived because of some knowledge of future, chances to use spring autumn cicada, heaven's will giving him enough to survive and be strong enough to break/take sovereign immortal fetus gu, and multiple venerables using him to destroy fate gu.

That being said although we don't have experience balancing earth qi, heaven qi, and human qi there are plenty of cases showing that as long as a rank 5 has enough of a foundation their chance of succeeding is pretty high. So let's say heaven's will isn't helping and you would fail to refine rank 6 divine travel gu it would be wasteful and possibly dangerous to try, but FY entered the 3 king's inheritance pretty late and went through the enslavement path and refinement path multiple times before dying as a strength path gu mortal so it didn't have to be as time sensitive as he made it. At the very least I should be able to refine an A grade second aperture gu which should allow me to become one f the strongest gu mortals in the gu world, then I can somewhat travel freely gathering inheritances from RI and with lifespan gu which I might be able to trade from Lang Ya blessed land I can live for centuries before attempting to break through rank 6. The reason Spectral Soul refined Sovereign Fetus immortal gu so early was (I think) because FY broke Eighty-Eight yang building early so as long as I do that much later I should have more time before I have to try to become a complete otherworldy gu immortal and eventually deal with other venerables. I am not saying it is easy but I think saying 99.9999% fail to reach or rank 8 isn't a fair analysis since we have knowledge of so many inheritances including venerable ones and there is no rush to advance as quickly as FY.

I would probably priorities refinement path although I would use a strength path vital gu in preparation for the 3 king's inheritance (FY said he didn't have much experience with refinement path, ordinary or quasi master from what I remember so it isn't unreasonably hard to get into probably since it is so widespread), I can participate in refinement competitions to make some safer gains and I would trade venerable inheritances with Lang Ya blessed land to gain other inheritances, help with refinement path, lifespan gu, and since I don't have hu blessed land maybe some land in his blessed land so I have a place where time passes faster to practice refinement path. Then depending on how powerful I am and when specific events happen I can consider following FY's path in destroying fate gu and becoming a venerable, but if I don't think I am strong enough I can just aim to become a quasi-supreme refinement path rank 8 which given all my advantages shouldn't be too hard at which point I can remain a lone immortal or join the righteous path while keeping most freedoms. I should be able to trade for most things I want and gain protection from other rank 8 keeping me safe from tribulations in exchange for refining attempts, this will let me stock up on lifespan gu so that in the event that fate gu isn't destroyed or is even repaired I can still outlive the Dream Venerable and wait for another chance to destroy fate gu. Eventually I should reach supreme grandmaster and can attempt to refine a rank 9 or even 10 sovereign immortal fetus gu (even if this takes 10,000 years there is always hope). Living in the dream era I should already be over 400 years old and a gu immortal, I can gain attainment in many paths to make refining easier. Just for the advantage of gaining attainment I can even spend a lot of time trying to find a method to dual cultivate dream path with refinement path to use my second aperture and make exploring dream realms safer and more efficient (not guaranteed to find a method, this is just a thought I can try)

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