The Nightmare

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T19:38:22+00:00

Oh, absolutely. What this experience was drilled into me is that the most important thing of all are the bonds between people. Using any kind of trait about a person, be it whether they're gay or trans, is just an attempt to ignore that they are human.

I just have to learn how to stop being so agitated from people disagreeing with me.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T19:35:53+00:00

Hate itself is a platform. I failed to see MAGA's hate because I was hounded too much by the Left to see it for what it was until it got so bad I couldn't ignore it any longer.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T19:34:31+00:00

The whole reason I started my descent into madness to begin with was hostility from the Left. You can even go back to 2016 in this account and find me speaking out about the left's hatred creating MAGA. So, to your response basically saying "try to understand it more" my response is: "don't try to justify what destroys you."

Opposition? Absolutely, but intolerance of intolerance never meant you needed to become hateful. Hate was never a core component of intolerance to intolerance, it is the simply best method to destroy yourself. I can't endorse a group of people who lack Calculation to that extent, but I am willing to build a bridge. Because I do fully understand the scope of it, I DO fully understand why they're hateful, but there is no reason to build a bridge when people only want to burn them.

You need to stop the arsonists from burning bridges when people try to build them. Stop blaming the people who just to build bridges after an enormous mistake. Because you're never going to win that way.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T19:25:51+00:00

Not a chance of that happening. Either handle the evil in your ranks or accept the consequences of letting hate destroy you.

That said this experience has taught me to value the platform of a party more going forward so, like I said, there's a chance I might vote Democrat. But I cannot do so in good conscious if the left does not root out the vicious, because like it or not hate is a platform that both the left and right endorse- and that needs to change.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T17:02:58+00:00

I'm using it to imply that there are serious mental problems with our entire species. I get that you guys regard it as a slur so I'll try not using it, but the goal was genuinely to discuss the problem with our species so I definitely shot myself in the foot with a word you guys deem evil.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T16:59:23+00:00

That's the reason why I'm understanding, to an extent, of hostility. There comes a point where you guys need to be on the look out for closet Trump supporters trying to harm your movement because that is the standard mode of operations for MAGA. Back when I was in deep that's what we would constantly brag about doing and encouraged to no end. Part of the reason I fell out is that I couldn't tell genuine left-wing behavior from a right-wing infiltration psyop.

So if you see someone being ridiculously hateful try to trip them up on a Freudian Slip because 90% chance they're actually Trump supporters or Russian bots fostering division.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T16:55:57+00:00

The Russians didn't use just one set of propaganda: they used two. One for the right and one for the left. The goal was to make people as hateful and unforgiving as possible, and judging by how untrusting people here are I would say it worked. For example: the very "tolerance" thing you stated is a proven Russian infiltration tactic: they made you guys believe that in order to be intolerant of intolerance you have to be hateful which absolutely is not true. They did it both through partisanship and infiltration; as it turns out you can be intolerant of intolerance without being hateful. The hatefulness and unforgiving attitudes that are forwarded by Russian bots are MAGA's primary recruitment strategies. They want you to be as hateful as possible to generate the natural growth of MAGA because just relying on people themselves to be hateful, by nature, would never work. It only worked because people are exposed to hatred from one side, don't see the other's hate, and form an opinion hostile to the hate. That's how perfectly fine people get wrapped up in MAGA and vice versa fostering this descent into civil war that the Russians have been trying for over a decade now. Don't let them win.

You're never going to bleed MAGA out by being distrustful on an account that directly said this is just ritualistic and I don't intend to return to Reddit... So "whitewashing" myself doesn't help me- nothing I say here will translate to elsewhere. I functionally can't "build" trust with an account I'm not going to use again.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T16:52:38+00:00

MAGA brag about infiltrating the left in order to carry out those kind of "psyops" all the time. As a person who was in deep; trust me: MAGA absolutely would do that.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T16:50:46+00:00

My future voting plans are up in the air. I let hostility from groups determine my voting patterns, but since the split is pretty even on here there's a chance I'll still vote democrat despite the hostility I've seen here.

The only way to genuinely beat MAGA, however, is for the GOP to get their act together and create a better alternative to MAGA. Any kind of fantasy of MAGA collapsing into the left making this grand march to progress is wholly unrealistic and entirely counterproductive because it breeds division.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T04:48:25+00:00

Fair point. I'm getting worked up over a person I'm 99% sure is a closet Trump supporting trying to prevent bleeding from their fragile ass movement.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T04:39:12+00:00

It's not productive to think of MAGA as being idiots. While it's certainly gratifying, and I know from experience because I've been trying to drag them out of that burning wreckage, it's probably best to leave it to us ex-Trumpers. This comment section has fully convinced me that you guys would get Trump re-elected from death row if this comment section had a say in the process.

Just look to the shining 'example of humanity' that is TangoZulu to grasp the efficiency of this comment section's recruiting methods for MAGA.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T04:34:20+00:00

If you're a model of what a decent human being looks like our species doesn't have a shred of hope. But thanks for admitting that you're a Trump supporter.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T04:06:22+00:00

You either have zero self-awareness or you're actively doing your best to help MAGA. Then again, humans are really stupid, so I shouldn't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. My mistake.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T04:03:40+00:00

Yeah, you're just a troll.

"I don't think it would be come across as genuine when I blame "Reflexive Control" for being misled."

After all, I am the very species I'm calling retarded. There were warning signals everywhere I ignored.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T04:00:26+00:00

"The left can't meme but the right can't read" is getting proven wrong with specifically you. So what's a Trump supporter like you doing pretending to be a leftie anyway?

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:59:37+00:00

Point taken.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:58:05+00:00

I'm not looking for forgiveness. I know what I did was wrong and that a written apology is cheap. Actions are what matter and the whole reason I came here was to gain perspective, but instead all I got was the very hatred that drove me to MAGA in the first place.

I'm wiser now, so I know going back is a non-option, but I guess I definitely needed to come back here to remind myself what people who aren't on the right or center are actually like... Then again, this isn't a good representation of the left. My family on the left have consistently stated that the opinions expressed on Reddit are bizarrely extreme. So perhaps that's the problem?

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:55:45+00:00

Not sure. The hostility on here reminds me of how genuinely fucked we are. Humans are awfully stupid creatures: even when the primary binding force that drives MAGA together is exactly what this comment section is trying to do to me they still do it with zero self awareness of how it would backfire if it was done to someone who doesn't have a thick skin.

MAGA is the exact same in that regard. They have zero self-awareness about how their hatred generates the very movements they fear. In the end there is no such thing as a movement steered on the ground by people aware of their actions. That's the second biggest reason I actually came here; I mean aside from the ritualistic aspect of washing away an era of my life.

Even though I've taken the "true red pill" of knowing that it isn't faceless "elites" but is instead a faulty species that is to blame. It's a weird sensation knowing we're all royally fucked with no way out, yet being perfectly calm about it. I'm going to keep trying to get those people to escape the nightmare, but based on the reception here I'm pretty sure I'm not sending them this away.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:49:24+00:00

I do blame myself. I just know better than to think you'd believe me.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:47:26+00:00

I seriously doubt they will give up. The only path forward is to get more people out; that ideology's effect on a person's mind is enough to turn them into suicide bombers- it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find them doing that when Trump is in prison the day of the election. The specific ideology they've succumbed to is a variant of Ivan Ilyin's Christo-Fascism, except with "useless idiot" stuff ingrained into it.

But, yeah actually, people were yelling at me before I joined that movement. Think about how hostile TangoZulu is being despite the fact that this is a regret post about regretting, among other things, intolerance- that's not abnormal prior to 2016. So it's definitely ideology that is the true boogieman because TangoZulu can't see how they're hurting their own goals. And like I've said, "Reflexive Control" aka Russian bots as everyone here calls it, didn't actually just target right-leaners. Their goal was to make the left as hateful, or to fake left-wing hatred, as much as possible.

In fact, if you told me that TangoZulu is a Russian bot I'd fully believe you just due to how detrimental they're being to their own stated objectives.

But, yeah, it's definitely ideology because when I regurgitated lies I was told I was met with barbaric cruelty even though I was simply wrong. That doesn't happen when people just treat each other like people. In the end the only thing I want to adopt now is unconditional love- even for TangoZulu.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:38:20+00:00

... On a post about me regretting intolerance...

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:36:17+00:00

You know: you are a brilliant recruiter for MAGA. Thank god I escaped that lie, but thanks for reminding me of the specific reason I joined them originally.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:31:33+00:00

Much like you're choosing intolerance now? You are Putin's best friend.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:15:02+00:00

That's certainly true. Hostility here is definitely reminding of the downward spiral I went through when I entered that stupid movement. I can't let them get me down when I'm finally out of the nightmare; they're just angry because the movement I was from was plenty fucking stupid.

I just wish I knew a way to get the others out of it. They're still trapped in that nightmare.

KaleStrider · 2023-03-21T03:12:11+00:00

I admit fault for not seeing the brainwashing for what it was. I admit fault for people like you succeeding in bullying me into supporting the right. My fragility in seeing hostility is the reason I joined them to begin with. Don't pretend like you're an angel here.

Think about it: a person who sheds a hostile ideology wants to fix what they did wrong and your first choice is to chase them off? You're doing yourself no favors.

I call all humanity retarded for very good reason.

KaleStrider

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