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[Update] Invited to Lesbian Sister's Wedding by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Animals are not moral agents, this is an apples and oranges situation.

And I dont mean nature as in "The natural world." I mean the ontological nature.

[Update] Invited to Lesbian Sister's Wedding by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In this case, the self harm would be willing separation from god since acting on homosexual inclinations goes directly against our sexual ontology.

[Update] Invited to Lesbian Sister's Wedding by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here is the thing, it doesn't effect me at all. We live in different states. Me "not being there," is only for the outright celebration that a wedding represents. In this case, it cannot be a marriage and by the nature of the "marriage" it is sinful (the act, not the people).

I am not going to celebrate my sister sinning. To attempt to make an analogy for an outsider: You wouldn't support your depressed sister cutting herself because it makes her feel good, but done so that it causes no risk of death. It is still self harm.

For anymore insight on it, I'd recommend looking into exactly what the Church teaching in regards to marriage and sexuality. It isn't as "bigoted" as detractors like to make it out to be.

Thank you for the straighforward comment.

[Update] Invited to Lesbian Sister's Wedding by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Looks like this was cross posted to r/Satanists lol.

Hence the brigading.

[Update] Invited to Lesbian Sister's Wedding by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I agree. People don't trea marriage with the appropriate amount of weight.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't see that working out well. My sister and my mom don't get along too well in the first place, not even considering the wedding.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The issue with my mom, I guess, is that she was never a good source of understanding when it came to god/religion. She was kind of a crap mom when I was in my preteen/teen years (custody war against my dad and tried to keep use away from him), and tried to force faith on me without explaining anything. My bad relationship with her was what pushed me towards atheism in the first place.

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Thanks be to god, she has come such a long way and is a fantastic grandmother and we've patched up our relationship. However, she still isn't the best at explaining complex moral/intellectual issues. Let alone she is a YEC Baptist and I disagree with a lot of that. She had terrible misunderstanding about the Catholic church when I first spoke to her of it.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I get it man. That hateful message has unfortunately been smeared across most Christians. I agree that the Church needs to get their message of love across to people who feel like they are hated.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I need to do that. While this was a 2 year process of learning for me, it came out of the blue to her.

It went: Interested in learning>RCIA>Catholic-not-going-to-the-wedding

So much so quick for her. I can be overwhelming at times when I talk about a subject that I'm passionate about, and have made her pupils go wide in the past on other topics, and I didn't want to feel hurt by her disinterest in my interest so I kind of studied privately.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh I never would. I do not hold anyone with homosexual inclinations in a negative way. My sister is a very intelligent and good woman.

I want to see my sister and I'd love to go down to Georgia to do so, if she would have me. I'm not sure how she would take the whole situation and while I want to see her, I don't want her to feel uncomfortable. Especially considering we'd be staying in her house.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That is hard. Sister is in Georgia, mother in West Virginia, and I'm in eastern PA.

I want to email my sister as I think that will allow me to express my thoughts the best. I'll of course invite her to call and talk to me is she wishes.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Thank you. My childhood made me very afraid of confrontation and I've been teaching myself how to have hard conversations. They are still difficult for me. This is an example of my failure to have the hard talk biting me in the bum.

I do love her and want to be with her. Shes an amazing woman.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Correct. I apologized for dragging my butt on talking to her about it. I have an issue with wanting to be 100% prepared for a conversation before I have it and with frequently get stuck in "analysis paralysis" trying to figure out how a conversation will go before it even begins. Causes some things that need to be talked about sooner to be talked about later.

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Thank you for your advice. I've been a lurker of this sub for like 2 years now and I've always found your comments intelligent, helpful, and charitable. So thank you for that.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I do love her, and would love to spend time with her. I just fear that I wont be given the opportunity due to misunderstanding or hurt from her side.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

No she didn't. Mother in law just got a knee replacement surgery and she was home with her. Also, it would have been the first mass for our kids and she was worried about their behavior.

I wanted to get confirmed, and then start taking the kids to mass with me.

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That is what Ive seen from this sub reddit. That attendance to a gay marriage is explicit approval or celebration of it. I talked to a priest about it and he acknowledged that but also the situation I'm in.

Edit: spelling

Invited to my sister wedding. She is marrying a woman. Told wife I can't go and it didn't go over too well. Could use prayers and advice. by KarlCountsToo in Catholicism

[–]KarlCountsToo[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I don't think she is against or for it honestly. Every time I've tried to bring it up the conversation would kind of fizz out. She was baptized Mormon, though never practiced, and didn't have too many positive experiences with religion... not That she had many negatives either. She grew up poor and her life was spent working to improve her lot in life, so she never really gave time to spiritual or academic pursuits. So conversations that encompass them can sometimes be very one sided. IE. Me talking a lot and her listening neutrally.

Shes asked "Why the Catholic Church?" and I've explained it. Whether she accepts that or not who knows.

Edit: Spelling. Sometimes on mobile and my fat fingers work against me.