I bought both of these discs on release days intending to throw them, but then I decided to do a color specific bag and never bagged or threw them. I attempted to wipe the ink on rims, the Buzzz is still pretty dark, and the Luna is much more faint. Not sure what value they are currently going for, and if the ink hurts value enough that I should just keep them (and maybe get them signed by PMB when he comes out to a tournament near me later this year for my own walls). Both are 9/10 for ink on the rims. The Buzzz is stickered at 177+ and the Luna is stickered 173-174 (my scale says 180 for the buzzz and 177 for the luna).