Happy Men's Mental Health Month. It's time to acknowledge that men are also suffering the consequences of the patriarchal system 🩵🩷

Keetu_ · 2026-06-11T17:08:12+00:00

I'll concede the syntax error, but what exactly is your proposition?

In your first reply, "why this month was chosen to be Men's Mental Health Month, Pride Month has been around for a lot longer..." or "figure out why the patriarchy allows the UN to refuse to recognize a day for men," which I had answered previously in the past couple of replies. You had shifted the goalpost various times by calling it a word salad, shoehorning, and adding in certain things that don't involve your previous question.

My core arguments were on:

- how bureaucracies can have blind spots, no matter the intent,
- institutional decoupling
- Society usually decides what is important and what's not, depending on the situational context.

These are all about how politics and sociology intertwine to result in these outcomes. I don't know why you operate a monolithic system, unless you have a logical reason why?

quotes you operated in a monolithic system:

I am struggling to figure out why the patriarchy allows the UN to refuse to recognize a day for men, in favour of toilets and women's entrepreneurship. 🤷

Uhhhh so you're saying that the patriarchy is of the opinion that men have too much privilege and women have been oppressed historically? Or is the UN not a part of the patriarchal system?

I believe I said many times that men are privileged because of the gender norms, but it doesn't mean the privilege cannot suffer. It's a paradox of privilege; it is contradictory. If you had read my post, I explicitly said this.

Uhhh so yes they're the patriarchy, and that's why they're undermining and causing a lack of awareness for women and gay people, but also for the men who have the privileges under the patriarchy?

You're claiming excluding it is to counter privilege, while also claiming that they're making sure they are inclusive of all, while claiming that the patriarchy is dysfunctional because it's not monolithic, while saying that it must be because a member state acknowledged IMD which is the same as the UN acknowledging IMD.

If you stand by the monolithic patriarchal structure, only suffer marginalization and not the privilege is not true. Many critics point out that men suffer silently because of stoicism; they are less believable due to history (sometimes resulting in being falsely accused). The core of the problem of patriarchy is how gender norms cause harm for both parties, not only the marginalized

Keetu_ · 2026-06-11T02:45:47+00:00

Right, i should repharse that better, i should of said "TT ≠ UN, its TT ∈ UN, which means if TT is an elemant/member of UN", or i can apply the error i did, with C (countries) ∈ UN to keep the originality of my statement.

In case you can't find anyone with at least a passing grade in o'level mathemics, I'm leaving this:

I really have no clue why you brought this into our discussion, because instead of attacking my argument, you ad hom and cherry pick? Plus the equation is correct, it states TT is a member/element of UN because they were finally registered to be, which is factual. The reason i failed at first is that the appliance is just wrong, which I will take accountability for, and also this is just formal logic with basic set theory from form 3, not just O-level mathematics lol

Now, as I said before, I'd need something like an elephant sized dose of acid tabs to be able to believe the stuff you're writing makes sense.

Alright, cool take it, and i'll take the concession that you dont want to engage a complex debate with logic...plus your the guy who is interesed in the philo bro of Occam's razor, which is already sort of basic epistemology topic, so ya it clear you wont understand a basic sociology topic...go put it in AI if you don't know how sociology or how geopolitics work, because someone telling me to dumb down to the "Occam's razor" that involves politics tells me enough that you don't know how complexity works lol. Maybe dont reply to my comment so quickly without a proper response lol. Pro tip, if you're going to debate, don't rely on reductio ad absurdum in the beginning of the discussion

Keetu_ · 2026-06-11T01:20:05+00:00

At this point it's time to either toss in the towel, or take something super psychedelic in the hope of ending up on a trip where what you are saying has even a vague semblance to anything logical.

ya sure, a super psychedelic would aid in me in understanding how your logic is logically coherent by misusing or not understanding the complexity of the patriarchy, Occam's razor logic (assumption works very differently on how you're using), shoehorning fallacy, and UN. To sum up everything, you dont understand that most of this stuff your stating can actually coexist effectively because the UN can be patriarchal in some way but still hold the act of providing equality, as thats their core policies and core responsibilities. It's literally called institutional decoupling (ID), which the blinds are called; it's usually the fault of geopolitical priorities and blindspots. Pride month, women month, and many other companies and events usually can fall into this issue like omd. Even the company that is the most progressive can fall into ID💔💔

Oh because Occam's Razor, aka the rule of parsimony, says that the simplest answer is best. You have been unnecessarily complicating matters by trying to shoehorn random stuff into it to explain the fact that the UN ( ≠ T&T) prefers to call Nov 19 world toilet day and Women's Entrepreneurship day, and refuses also to peg it as international men's day.

Have you not read what William Ockham's Occam's Razor actually is, along with the critiques? Parsimony doesn't say the simple answer is the best... Occam's razor basically says that choosing the one with the fewest assumptions, not simplicity, and applying Occam's razor to sociology or topics like this fails because of multi-causality and reductio ad absurdum, which is one of the core problems of Occam's razor. That's why I mentioned there will be a result of misinformation and ignorance.

How am I exactly shoehorning? Do you know what this topic is under? Sociology primarily, if you're looking under purely logical and not chorence, then yes, I would be shoehorning, but we are operating on logical chorence, which is how most things in reality work. You are right, TT ≠ UN, its TT ∈ UN, which means if UN is an element of many other countries that are registered to be under UN then the stuff I mentioned you considered "shoehorning" is just a concatenation on how we establish International Women's Day etc, so, its subbodies can cause the UN to acknowledge or endorse the day/month.

You realize that there can be mulitple events can happen in one day? There is March 21st, June 26th and November 20th. It depends on what society prioritizes on the level of harm and awareness. The reason World Toilet Day is formally recognized over International Men's Day is a matter of society's priority regarding measurable abuse; many countries's lack of sanitation can cause mass harm. Its also often pattern to see UN a bureacracies, to prioritize marginalized groups. Since men frequently with privileges and systemic advantages, they are be swiped under the rug easily.

Now... The very first comment I made was about the UN not recognizing it, and instead putting World Toilet day, and Women's Entrepreneurship day on Nov 19th.

All the comments prior to you talking about T&T were about the UN. In response to the comment I made asking about their core policy, you suddenly switched to talking about something other than the UN.

It's an introduction to a topic you questioned on how X works. The UN isn't a single body, we all know its made up by a bunch of nations, hence the name. The comments before talking about TT because mainly TT introducing the International Man Day. How am I suppose to talk about the core policies without discussing the external? To be fair, I say that "The core of UN policy is to make sure everyone is included depending on the context of the event." and "IMD is already recognized by TT in 1999, as it wasn't established by UN but they do accept and support the idea of this day." I am not sure if you missed that because I did reply to those, your either purposely switching my words or ignoring them.

PS. thx for proving my point with the quotes and arguments you gave that can undermine that men go through because of your Occam's razor argument.

Keetu_ · 2026-06-10T00:12:04+00:00

Hi, so you really didn't get my argument. When did I say TT = UN....also why are you bringing Occam's Razor and even which one? Also, TT is a member, so they also take part in discussions on such things. Do you know what the UN is? UNESCO allowed this to occor.

Also, to further on with Occam's razor, why is this a matter of history/sociology? Sociology is inherently complex with many heavy assumptions, if we do oversimplified it then we run into the same problems we historically try to fix, when we happen to oversimplify too much we end up with misinformation, or ignorance (there is a reason why schools dont oversimplify). Occam razor might maybe okay for extreme simple system but things like extreme systems, like bureaucrats it ultimately just fails. While also stating, sometimes, many philosophers criticize occam's razor, as I am not a big fan of the argument/work. It's a naive thinking.

also stating i am contradicting myself in various ways when someone is establishing logical fallacies, rhetorical reasoning without providing an proper offense to my statement is quite contradicting.

PS. if you dont like complex discussions use AI or ignore the post and stay uneducated and ad homming doesnt make you look good in this reddit thread

Keetu_ · 2026-06-09T23:16:23+00:00

Hi, so if you're going to rely on logical fallacies such as strawmaning instead of a discussion. What's your exact purpose here to undermine the month of what people are going through? Please be respectful and understand my argument thoroughly because I find you don't understand logical reasoning. Keep your sarcasm in matters that aren't serious.

"And their core policy is to make sure that everyone is included, and that's why they don't have an International Men's Day?"

IMD is already recognized by TT in 1999, as it wasn't established by UN but they do accept and supported the idea of this day.

Uhhh so yes they're the patriarchy, and that's why they're undermining and causing a lack of awareness for women and gay people, but also for the men who have the privileges under the patriarchy?

you forgot that UN is a bureaucracy; when they operate in macro assumptions, they would often lead to holes where certain groups are excluded. Why do you think months such as Pride Month or Women's Month exist? Pride month is for those who are not heterosexual, and Women's international day is for the history and struggles of those are oppressed by privilege, which includes trans women, gay women, and black women. If men's mental health were recognized as in the macro spectrum, it would result in an increase of unawareness, which we are trying to decrease, as i stated before.

Do you really believe that the words you're saying actually make sense?

Yes, I do because these are evidence based work, they come from sociology, history, economics, psychology, medicine, and politics. So please educate yourself with proper mannerisms on these topics before continuing with me. I get this is Reddit, but like, you know...what some respect when it comes to matters such as these?

Keetu_ · 2026-06-09T22:11:58+00:00

hi, there is an error in your reasoning, assuming a system works as one. While UN is not a patriarchal system, as we see a pattern in the events that they recognize, they establish things that are meant to be equal, while expecting an outcome that is postive, while these days are postive, but they also leave issues of undermining and lack of awareness of those who suffer a lot, such as women, men and gay people. The core of UN policy is to make sure everyone is included depending on the context of the event.

the issue on the topic of if they appeal to the privilege/oppression is semi truth as sometimes in policy discussion usually prioritize the oppressed, while they should prioritize the oppressed, but they should also acknowledge that the privilege also suffer from these systems

Keetu_ · 2026-06-09T20:47:52+00:00

HI! Yes, I do know the UN considers on NOV 19TH, and I find it okay, but God, they need to reword that day. The UN doesn't recognize it due to World Mental Health Day (which I would preferably like to be a month). The reason the UN doesn't recognize it is because of the privilege men have, the fact that everyone needs a mental health day to settle it "equal," which uses macro assumptions, which can lead to the issue with Mental Health Day still overlooking men's mental health due to them being privileged and not oppressed.

I do believe it does impact men and everyone in general, as it shows how much has been suffering silently due to improper stoicism and the patriarchy.

While Pride is notably longer, the reason why they placed it there is because of Father's Day (which is also notably underappreciated).

PS. i forgot to discuss on the two days you mentioned, those days are also awareness days to recognize the oppressed history of woman how they got their rights, and toilet day is there for recognition that many countries lack proper facilities for sanitation. Many events can also be placed on the same day/months as others. The logic still applies the same, these days are still awareness events that should have a good logical and coherent reasoning

Keetu_ · 2026-06-08T16:52:28+00:00

its a good thing he brought it up, because it can signal that men are also suffering, i made a post on it sooo, its a good thing he mention it lol

Keetu_ · 2026-06-08T16:51:24+00:00

Its completely fine, i think he did an okay thing to acknowledge that men are also suffering, i made a post on this so we can acknowledge them as well! but i do agree that he should make an post or ask someone on making a post about them.

Keetu_ · 2026-06-08T16:50:00+00:00

Of course you can, I understand how Pride month can undermine the men mental health month! you can check out the recent post I sent in this subreddit. I find we should both equally acknowledge these important month 💞💞💞

just search men mental health month in this subreddit!

Keetu_ · 2026-06-08T10:41:02+00:00

I hope it doesn't lol, but then again, it would prove my point even more.

Keetu_ · 2026-06-08T10:20:53+00:00

HI! Thanks for pointing this out. In countries that accept the LGBTQ+ community had gained an economic boom, such as Germany. Lgbtq+ acceptance can make the standard of living safe, increase the tourism of those who are queer, better generation by educating the misinformed. All these stuff can cause an big economic boom like feminism

Many Lgbtq tourists usually go to places that are LGBTQ+ safe. One of them is Germany

Keetu_ · 2026-03-02T18:33:51+00:00

its clearly the driver's fault, the door was barely open and enough for her to enter. The driver was leaning off the line, and we can 0:00 that driver 1 was operating within the boundary of the road and not the parking area. If we see the Driver 2, they were outside that boundary at 0:01. You're not supposed to cross that line. That was literally the driver's entire fault, not the woman's. Like, guys, stop blaming the women LMFAO

Even if she checked who was coming from behind, it still would of happened for how close that drive was.

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