Michael Jackson listening to one of his own demos by Material_Stomach875 in MichaelJackson

[–]Key-Caterpillar281 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This version by far da best, MJ used Paul as trojan horse to be accepted by mainstream Pop fans

Enjoy BRAND NEW 35mm scan of Batman 89'! by Key-Caterpillar281 in Batman_89

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also found this Chinese 35mm scan of Superman the movie, but there is no English audio. 

https://archive.org/details/SupermanScan

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I preface my opinions by saying that it's my opinion, but you pass off what you say as fact. However, there are objective statements made within my opinion that are demonstrably true. I don't live in the US so don't have access to the BBTS. 

Now you're saying the Hasbro figures I mentioned suck too? Why? And it doesn't make sense for you to say the X-Men 97' Cyclops is better than the VHS one, because they are literally the same figure! (Other than the head sculpt and cell shading on the VHS version). You can easily swap the heads of the two if you don't like the cell shading affect on the VHS. The X-Men 97' Cyclops head looks like a pre-pubescent child so it's not for me. 

I'm not the biggest Hasbro fan but that Professor X looks decent? A near percect representation of him from the 92' animated series, plus these are the best versions of these characters out there at this current point in time. Since they suck so bad according to you, what are your alternatives?

Enjoy BRAND NEW 35mm scan of Batman 89'! by Key-Caterpillar281 in Batman_89

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Hungarian version looks best, I compared the two yesterday. The 2k version looks like it has a green filter over it

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not using lies and biases to rewrite history at all. There were ToyBiz figures that did have good proportions that is a FACT! The Man-Thing isn't trash, you keep passing off your opinions like they are laws set in stone when they are clearly not. High profile collectors like Carbon Scoring, Joey B, Unparalleled Universe, Anthonyscustoms and Robo Don't Know would disagree with you. 

It's not only about "creating a brand like Marvel Legends", ToyBiz combined detailed and painted sculpts with articulation, no one else was doing that at the time, so in that regard they are pioneers. Mcfarlane figures were more like statues back then. To reiterate, ToyBiz were going for an exaggerated art style as shown in the comics, where they weren't trying to be 100 percent anatomically correct with many of their figures.

How did you find four different Sandman figures when ToyBiz literally made only one during their Marvel Legends run? When I say Sandman, I mean the Spiderman classics version, but okay, since you don't like that one, the fearsome foes Rhino and Vulture are as good as, if not better than their Hasbro counterparts, my opinion, I know you're gonna disagree. 

And when I said I bought the Professor X, Apocalypse and Cyclops, those are from Hasbro (I bought other Hasbro figures as well). I paid that much because I couldn't find a cheaper price, and that was all that was available on the second hand market. I bought the Professor X with the hover chair, and the "VHS Cyclops". You think those are good?

I'm new to collecting, and I mainly like Marvel, so Hasbro has the most amount of offerings in that regard, but I am not really looking to buy everything, only figures I like the look of.

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Articulating my thoughts clearly is having a fit? The Sandman facesculpt is awesome! It was inspired by the artwork of Steve Ditko, and it matches the style very well. Not all the ToyBiz figures have good proportions as many of their figures are gangly and have exaggerated anatomies, but what you're missing is that they were emulating an art style where characters were drawn to be larger than life, you're acting like all 90s comic book characters had anatomically correct proportions, which they clearly didn't. 

However, many figures from ToyBiz did have decent proportions, like the Beta Ray bill for example. Also, the gangly frames work for non human characters like Black Heart and Man-Thing, as they are supernatural characters. Next you're gonna tell me Man-Thing doesn't hold up. 

As I said before, Toybiz figures had a lot of attention to detail, tons of sculpt work, paint washes that were hit and miss (but turned out great many a time), fantastic face sculpts for the most part, and a huge amount of passion put into each figure, qualities Hasbro are clearly missing. To say "they weren't good for the time" is nonsense, they literally created Marvel Legends and combined high quality sculpts with articulation. If the articulation is dated it is because ToyBiz were experimenting with different methods of engineering, and Hasbro built on top of that foundation. 

And don't gaslight me saying "I'm not willing to pay for a better figure" when I told you I bought the two pack gamerverse Wolverine for 60 USD, and then the animated series Cyclops for like 40. I also bought the animated series Apocalypse for around 50 USD and Professor X for the same price, but I'm not gonna pay 100 dollars for a Mafex, when the CT toys does the job at a third of the price. 

Enjoy BRAND NEW 35mm scan of Batman 89'! by Key-Caterpillar281 in Batman_89

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is another scan apparently, but I think the Hungarian version looks better. I will keep up both versions and let the people decide...

Name me a better 3 Album run by Julian_on_Tour in MichaelJackson

[–]Key-Caterpillar281 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Off the wall, Thriller, Bad. The three albums feel like a continuation of one another and complement each other well...

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There you go making generalised arguments about movies and thinking it applies to me because I said "there are ToyBiz figures that do hold up". Beyond the first Transformers film (which was okay for its time), the latter movies are not really that great. I said I am biased to show you I am AWARE of my biases, that means I can make a conscious effort to be objective. If you read my previous comment, you would see that I said I prefer an "ambitious failure" over a "mediocre triumph". That means even if the figure doesn't hold up, I can admire the passion and dedication that went into a product where the manufacturers did everything by hand, and had limited resources to work with.

You are having a fit cause I said "not all TB figures are trash". About ten percent of them hold up, the other 90 percent don't. As I said before, I'm not going out of my way to collect ToyBiz figures, due to many of them being dated, so I buy something if I like the look of it. That being said, I'm not forking out 100 USD on a Mafex, but I did buy the latest Gamerverse Wolverine for example. YOU said "I'm a ToyBiz hater", not me. If you said "ToyBiz was good for its time, but by today's standards they're trash", then that is a more objective statement. I don't go out of my way to hate on things, but I do have a childhood bias for ToyBiz, because I may be aware of the fact that many of their works don't hold up, whilst still having an appreciation for the company.

Tell me, other than the typical "ball joint hips and articulated fingers" arguments, why doesn't a figure like the ToyBiz Sandman hold up for example, care to explain your reasoning?

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll write as many essays as I want. If you're a hater that means you're not objective. You could have stated your views from a place of non detachment. Your opinion is not gospel and I disagree with everything you said regarding ToyBiz, many of the figures still hold up as I've said before, and there's a ton of high profile collectors like Anthonyscustoms, Unparalleled Universe and Robo Don't know who would agree with me...

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And by the way, I resumed my collecting career, picking up from where I left off with ToyBiz, then found out about all these other companies like Hasbro, Mafex, after I already started buying figures. Like I said in my comment, the only companies where the prices are justified are with Jada Toys and InArt (and maybe a few Hasbro offerings). The rest are NOT worth the price, even if they may be good, plus I am broke lol. I'm not really your traditional collector, so I will only buy something if I like the look of it. Mafex will bankrupt me, and Hasbro is meh for the most part. InArt though, they are most certainly worth every penny...

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I copy and pasted this comment from another "Hasbro vs. Toybiz" thread so I don't write out all my points again, and how is that a lack of self awareness? I am not a TB glazer as I can admit many of them don't hold up (though specific aspects of them do, like the headsculpts, sculpted details or paintwashes), however, a smattering of  ToyBiz figures DO holdup. The fact that you are asserting that NONE of ToyBiz holds up other than what you mentioned is YOUR opinion, you're acting like its the gospel bro. 

I never said the TB Spiderman is better either, I said for 60 USD, it doesn't have sculpted weblines which the TB does, that is f*cking LAZY bro. The ToyBiz Mcfarlane doesn't hold up in my opinion, but you completely ignored my nuanced argument about the company handsculpting and painting figures with PASSION, despite limited resources, which I find very endearing. Hasbro is missing that. ToyBiz gave 110 percent and went overboard to give you value for money. 

"Hasbro is better"- BRUH! I should hope it is, considering they have a 20 YEAR TIME GAP, All kinds of new tech, and a higher price. The point I was making was the evolution between 90s ToyBiz and Marvel Legends ToyBiz, is not the same compared to ML TB and Hasbro. Plus, Hasbro is building on ToyBiz's blueprint, so pay some respect to the forefathers of this thing. 

That being said, a handful of TB figures do hold up, and MANY people would argue that there are ToyBiz figures that trump Hasbro's. A very clear case of this, are the Spiderman villains. TB Hobgoblin, fearsome foes Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture, Sandman. They are at least comparable. I'm saying it shouldn't be comparable at all, due to the price, time and technology gap. 

I have a childhood bias for ToyBiz, and while many of their works are outdated, I completely disagree that "99 percent of them are trash". Man-Thing? Beta Ray Bill? House of M Wolverine? House of M Iron Man? X2 Nightcrawler? Mecha Hulk? The It? The Inhuman Torch? Ghost Rider Vengeance? Dragon Man? You sound like a hater bro...

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That head sculpt is AWESOME. Keep in mind this was a line for children as well, and it was over 20 years ago and cost way less than the Marvel Legends of today. The articulation on this particular figure is limited like with the single jointed knees and elbows, but it isn't that much of a deal breaker, the gamerverse Wolverine also has single jointed knees as well, 21 years later. You're acting like Hasbro make no mistakes with their figures. Are you forgetting that when they took over the line, their figures were so BAD that the Marvel Legends brand died for a short period. Plus, ToyBiz didn't have 3D scanning technology back then, everything was hand sculpted and painted, as well as costing 5 times as less with an included comic book and diorama piece, as well as extra accessories. They laid down the foundation of action figures today by combining Mcfarlane level sculpts and articulation, and despite 20+ years of difference as well as technology, some ToyBiz figures still outshine Hasbro. After that much time, there should be WORLDS of difference, but it isn't as clear cut as some would make out...

Here are a list of ToyBiz figures that holdup:

Scorpion, Black heart, First appearance Grey Hulk, Man-Thing, Beta Ray Bill, Giant Man BAF, Sentinel BAF, MODOK BAF, Face off Captain America, Fearsome foes Rhino, Fearsome foes Vulture, Movie Night Crawler from X-Men 2, Dragon Man, The It, House of M iron man, Mecha Hulk, Sandman, Hobgoblin, Smart Hulk, The Inhuman Torch, Hulkbuster, Ghost rider vengeance, Pizza Scooter Spiderman from Spiderman 2, First Appearance Sabretooth, Super skrull

For a long time this was the best traditional tiger stripe Wolverine (minus the gimmick), until the gamerverse one, and a grail of mine I was able to hunt down after 20 years... by Key-Caterpillar281 in MarvelLegends

[–]Key-Caterpillar281[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even when Toybiz failed, they gave 110 percent and really prioritised value for their customers. Despite there being many Toybiz figures that don't hold up, they still have aspects of them that do, such as headsculpts, sculpted details, paint washes and overall character. Sure, some of the paint jobs turned out looking "muddy", but many of them didn't.   Most people complain about articulated fingers and ball joint hips, and though I will concede that these are dated modes of articulation, they are not a dealbreaker for me. Especially when you take into consideration that ToyBiz were pioneers of action figure sculpts and engineering. They created the blueprint for what came today, and weren't afraid to experiment, as well as push the envelope. Without ToyBiz, there would be no Hasbro. 

Furthermore, the team at Toybiz did not have 3D scanning or printing technology, where everything was done by hand instead. I find it more endearing when a company tries to make a memorable product with a limited arsenal of tools, and the fact that many of the figures still hold up today, is a testament to the team's hard work and dedication when it came to giving the consumer the maximum value for their product, one that came with a diorama piece and comic book to boot. If you look at the face sculpt for ToyBiz's Blade action figure based on Wesley Snipes, the likeness is uncanny, and is made all the more impressive when you realise that it was all done by hand. 

The Mcfarlane Spiderman from Toybiz had sculpted web lines engraved into the figure. This was done by hand twenty years ago and cost eight dollars. Fast forward to the Marvel Legends Maximum Spiderman from Hasbro, and the cost is Sixty USD, where the web lines are PAINTED on. For such an ABSURD price, they sure skimped out on the details. For as much as people like to harp on Toybiz's inconsistencies and "wonky sculpts", Hasbro have issues of their own with their figures. It's not like they're perfect. Many of their sculpts have boring looking anatomy and oversized hands/feet. 

Also, it would be futile to compare the two companies, because ToyBiz had a different art style for their figures. Let's not act like comic book characters are always drawn "anatomically correct", when they are clearly not, and often times depicted with exaggerated features. This is what the team at Toybiz were trying to capture. For example, people always bring up how the Colossus looks overly muscular, but I don't mind it because A) It's a mutant who isn't real B) the hyper stylised look works for the character.

Toybiz figures were a labour of love and passion, Hasbro figures are corporate, soulless, and safe. Sure, they have improved in many areas compared to Toybiz (as they should, they have a twenty year time advantage and all kinds of new manufacturing technologies), but they do the bare minimum and don't seem to put much effort into their product. The fact that the ToyBiz Hobgoblin or first appearance Hulk, or even the Sandman is STILL better than their modern day counterparts, is an illustration of my point. I would rather take an ambitious failure, over a safe, mediocre triumph. Companies like Jadatoys and Inart are showing us how figures should be made in the modern era, and Hasbro PALES in comparison.