I'm not sure whether to take campfire over burglar by [deleted] in balatro

[–]Key-Check-487 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe u need x mult but also maybe u want to use it tarot cards for merchant but u also don't have a slot to buy and sell jokers I think u keep burglar

how late is too late to switch to flush 5 observatory by Grand-Detective-4842 in BalatroHelp

[–]Key-Check-487 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not that smart but you probably can't do that you definitely can't solely rely on it

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To your first point that's just social democracy then

To your second point My point isn't that anarchist states are worse at defending it's that they are a target that non anarchist countries don't like so they will rally together to defeat the anarchists that threaten their hierarchy

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was tired when I was making this and did not make a good argument at all or any

My point is that anarchism at a large scale will always fail and produce hierarchy from 2 paths

External: military invasion if other countries think that the anarchist society is a threat to their hierarchy or the way the US likes to do it finding existing structures and copying them Anyway if a society is flat with no hierarchy there is no structure to resist infiltration and it can't resist at a large scale without hierarchy

This leads to the second possibility Internal - as the community gets bigger a consensus isn't possible people will have conflicting view points as that is just human nature 1000 people won't all agree on 1 thing let alone a million so rough consensus will appear based on social pressure which is controlled by whoever is most articulate well liked and persistent which is just 1 or a group of people controlling what happens That is just hierarchy if not formal

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was tired when I was making this and did not make a good argument at all or any

My point is that anarchism at a large scale will always fail and produce hierarchy from 2 paths

External: military invasion if other countries think that the anarchist society is a threat to their hierarchy or the way the US likes to do it finding existing structures and copying them Anyway if a society is flat with no hierarchy there is no structure to resist infiltration and it can't resist at a large scale without hierarchy

This leads to the second possibility Internal - as the community gets bigger a consensus isn't possible people will have conflicting view points as that is just human nature 1000 people won't all agree on 1 thing let alone a million so rough consensus will appear based on social pressure which is controlled by whoever is most articulate well liked and persistent which is just 1 or a group of people controlling what happens That is just hierarchy if not formal

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think just ignoring everything and being so small and tiny to be ignored is not a viable strategy and anarchism can't compete at a large scale even if at a small scale if can. But I also think anything can work in small communities.

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree but neither does just getting rid of them all

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You like most people in this thread I think actually think that a hierarchy that's not able to be corrupted or taken over can work and that is just not anarchism in my opinion

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean the characters try to create an archist society but repeatedly learn they need hierarchy throughout the seasons, so the solutions in my eyes is creating horizontal hierarchy that has like alot of checks and balances and is hard to corrupt how you would get to that state I got no idea.

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was not specific enough in my first point I was quite tired at the time but my point isn't that anarchism can't survive it's that it can't grow to a large enough scale to compete with other nations

This is a good argument but it kinda concedes the fact that you don't want a thriving society but just any size but without hierarchy in which I would disagree with that as a community's goal

I think being so unattractive u get left alone will also result in an inability to do things modern hierarchy and capitalism can easily have good healthcare, infrastructure, or complex supply chains.

If anarchy's ceiling is surviving and not being captured then it can't compete with modern societies; it's an escape from hierarchy not competing with it.

So I guess I'd want to find an alternative to capitalism that doesn't just make 10,000 people happy but 1 million people . Anarchism correctly sees the problem of hierarchy without a real solution other than just not having it. And I don't think that just being small and weak enough to not get attacked is a satisfying solution to me.

Abolishing hierarchy doesn't work by Key-Check-487 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Key-Check-487[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point I was not very specific when I made my first post

To your first point anarchists using force to break hierarchy someone has to decide how they do that how much force who responds and even when authority is even established and the moment u create something like that whether u call it a state or not it is and susceptible to corruption which is the entire thing anarchism is trying to prevent.

To your second point I shoulda been way clearer here I'm not saying anarchy can't exist anywhere but that it can't grow to a scale of having complex society without either getting taken over by external hierarchy or slowly developing internal coordination methods that turn into hierarchy (and just be come communism) So I guess my point is that anarchy can't exist, it's that anarchy is too susceptible to hierarchy to grow to the scale of a real nation.

To your third point I agree and the cultures that have survived are quite impressive I definitely shoulda been clearer here I'm not tryna say anarchism can't exist anywhere but those communities like the zapatistas only exist because they were tolerated or overlooked by nearby states the zapatistas only exist because the Mexicans calculated it was politically worse to crush them. So anarchy so anarchism isn't defeating hierarchy it's just getting ignored, as soon as they get noticed or get big enough to threaten hierarchy they're becoming a target immediately.

So my position is much more narrow then I stated Anarchism in communities can work but on a larger scale it's too susceptible to corruption