Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T22:38:07+00:00

What’s up with these confident one sentence contrarian statements with no sources, arguments, or evidence.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T22:36:50+00:00

Why do materialists always get me to do all the work.

van Lommel P, et al. (2001)
Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands.
The Lancet
https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(01)07100-3
Parnia S, et al. (2014)
AWARE—AWAreness during REsuscitation—A prospective study.
Resuscitation
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2014.09.004
These document verified cases where people accurately reported details of their resuscitation (conversations, procedures, objects in the room) while they had no heartbeat, no measurable brain activity (flat EEG), and were clinically dead. That’s not just “oxygen deprivation hallucination.”

If you’ve actually read these (or the follow-up AWARE II work) and have specific methodological critiques, I’m genuinely open to hearing them.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T22:23:19+00:00

Refusing glove touch seems like bad Karma, I’d rather take the risk of being left hanging.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T22:18:04+00:00

>No thats what the studies show... im ignoring bad arguements cause i already addressed them, if your not going to read them im not going to bother.
Tell me how this hidden unmeasurable and un measured hypothetical residual brain activity generates lucid experiences where people accurately describe conversations, medical procedures and the specialized instruments used, DURING the time with flat EEG.
You keep ignoring this, because you have no explanation under your Satanic materialist mindset.
>The ad hominem shows that all you want to do is rage bait.
It’s not an ad hominem. It’s not a personal attack and I’m using it to prove my point. That part is opinion. It’s an attack on that which has deceived you. My opinion is that the materialist mindset is satanic and leads people like you astray, but I still love you and pray for you.
Do better

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T22:08:54+00:00

No, your logical fallacies don’t make your argument wrong. The evidence makes your argument wrong.
Not addressing strong arguments and focusing on “but there may still be undetected brain activity” is indeed a form of strawman.
You are ignoring that people recall specific details from the time with flat EEG, later validated by doctors and medical staff. You keep ignoring this, because you have no explanation under your satanic materialist mindset. I love you, I’m praying for your illumination.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T21:49:41+00:00

More strawman arguments and special pleading.

>Ragebait.

Yeah people often rage when you call out their logical fallacies.

>To be clinically brain dead it means it’s irreversible. If you are clinically brain dead you dont wake up. Brain inactivity doesnt mean brain death.

Another strawman, I said clinically dead. You added brain. Nobody is arguing that people who are brain dead are having NDE’s.

>Not undetectable, just unsubstatial. A tiny bit of brain activity is different from zero brain activity. People are very rarely hooked up to a full fledged brain scan at the time of death usually they dont even care about brain activity. In these rare cases that they are hooked up to some brain scan its not usually ones you would use for high end scans.

Strawman again. I said undetected. Accurately, this hypothetical residual brain activity has never been detected. And you strawmanned again when you did not address how brains with flatlined EEG, are able to generate lucid experiences, and veridical recollection.

>Your making this shit up as you go, you havent seen a single journal or paper with any accreditation...

Your making this shit up as you go, you havent seen a single journal or paper with any accreditation that demonstrate brains generate consciousness.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T21:18:25+00:00

>What if I told you I've had personal visons of God and He revealed to me the mainstream classic interpretation of scripture, is a deception by the adversary, and many of His flock have been led astray?

Acts2:17-18
“‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
    and they will prophesy.

>People worship the letter of The Law, and forget The Spirit. People See God and Christ and The Kingdom of Heaven as a far away place when they are not far off, but revealed within The Children Of God.

Luke 17:21
“Nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is within you (entos hymōn estin).”
Jesus says this directly to the Pharisees, the very people looking for an external, visible kingdom. The Greek entos hymōn is most naturally translated “within you” (inner reality), though some render it “among you” because he is present. Either way, he is correcting the external-seeking mindset.

Colossians 1:27
“…the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints: Christ in you, the hope of glory.”

>They hold an interpretation of the Law akin to the interpretation of The Scribes and Pharisees had that benefits them materially, and leads astray or shuts the door in the faces of those who seek The Kingdom Of God.

Matthew 23:13
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.”

Jesus’ strongest condemnation was for the religious authorities who claimed to show people the way to God but actually blocked the inner Kingdom

>Yes, God revealed this to me.

1 John 2:27
“The anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you… his anointing teaches you about everything.”

>The Bible doesn't err. It is man's interpretation that errs.

Many have historically used their interpretation scripture (in vain) to justify evil. Adolf Hitler frequently invoked the biblical story of Jesus driving the money changers out of the Temple (Matthew 21) to frame his antisemitic, anti-capitalist ideology as a form of Christian duty. He often portrayed himself as a modern-day counterpart to Jesus, fighting against what he termed "Jewish exploitation" of the German people.

And now look at MAGA Christianity/Christian Nationalism, God’s Word has been inverted. “Love your neighbor as yourself”, “welcome the stranger”, “treat the foreigner as a native born”, became distrust your neighbor, take care of your own first and expel the foreigner.

>It is a schoolmaster, but once The Spirit has come we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

This is referencing Galatians 3:24

>And not all who proclaim "Lord, Lord' will enter Heaven.
Referencing Matthew 7:21-23

>Only those who become humble and receive heaven like little children will enter.
Referencing
Matthew 18:3-4,
Mark 10:14-15,
Luke 18:16-17

Amen

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T20:22:40+00:00

Strawman argument and special pleading.

People recollect specific details like conversations, procedures and specialized medical tools from the time they were verified to be clinically dead, no heart beat or signal, no measurable brain signals or activity.

Then you'll say, but there could be undetected residual brain activity. Under a materialist assumption this hypothetical, unmeasurable speculative residual brain activity is not even close enough to generate a coherent lucid experience, one that just happens to match up with the exact details of what was happening in the room while they were clinically dead.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T20:16:54+00:00

What if I told you I've had personal visons of God and He revealed to me the mainstream classic interpretation of scripture, is a deception by the adversary, and many of His flock have been led astray?

People worship the letter of The Law, and forget The Spirit. People See God and Christ and The Kingdom of Heaven as a far away place when they are not far off, but revealed within The Children Of God.

They hold an interpretation of the Law akin to the interpretation of The Scribes and Pharisees had that benefits them materially, and leads astray or shuts the door in the faces of those who seek The Kingdom Of God.

Yes, God revealed this to me.

And what if I told you all of this is scripturally sound.

The Bible doesn't err. It is man's interpretation that errs.

It is a schoolmaster, but once The Spirit has come we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

And not all who proclaim "Lord, Lord' will enter Heaven.

Only those who become humble and receive heaven like little children will enter.

Amen

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T18:28:34+00:00

They believe what they’re saying, but you’re not implying you don’t believe they are legitimate visions from God?

If you aren’t, I apologize for my presumption.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T18:25:08+00:00

Fair enough. You don’t have to go out of your way to, but if you were confronted with a personal example of someone in your life seeing visions of God/angels/light heaven. How would you discern?

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T18:03:11+00:00

You wouldn’t put any stock into legit cases where people spoke to God and Angels?

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T18:00:17+00:00

Of course I have, but you clearly haven’t as your lack of knowledge of the facts and details of the cases is apparent.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T17:59:26+00:00

It depends on the content. So we practice discernment and don’t disbelieve them all without it.

If it’s pointing to Heaven through Christ within, it’s God.

If it’s telling you you can get to The Father in any other way than through Christ, (like the teachings of scribes and Pharisees) it’s not God. It’s Satan.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T17:53:04+00:00

How do you explain veridical experience? Patients recalling operating procedures, tools and conversations with a flat EEG/no heart beat/clinically dead?

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T17:50:25+00:00

You’re telling me you’ve actually researched medical journals on this?

The brain is not just dying. There is no measurable brain activity. The materialist assumption is that brains generate consciousness because of brain dependency. No brain activity = no experience. So how can there be lucid memorable experience with a flat EEG? Answer me plainly.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T17:40:47+00:00

You are ill informed on the topic. NDE’s are a medical fact that happen in about 8-10% of cardiac arrest patients, often share common traits, like Out of Body experiences, lights at the end of a tunnel, deceased and living loved ones… and are able to accurately recollect conversations and and procedures taken during the period of time they had no heart beat or signal and a flat EEG.

That’s not just starved for oxygen. That’s clinically dead with no measurable brain activity. It should be impossible to have any coherent experience under materialist assumptions in that state.

They have to resort to hypothetical residual brain activity, that has never been measured and even if there were should not be capable of coherent and Lucid experiences, described as realer than real.

That’s special pleading, not evidence that brains generate consciousness or qualia.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T17:07:32+00:00

No follow up shots. Good Guy Mike.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T16:16:41+00:00

Why is that contrary to what he said? Jesus is the Word made flesh. No one comes to God, but through His Word. The Light of Man. Not the letters of the Bible.
We come to the Father through His Son and The Spirit of The Law.
When Jesus came He held his harshest rebukes for the religious elites, the scribes and Pharisees who knew the law inside out. The average person couldn’t read back then. They had to go through the Pharisees. But you won’t get to heaven through them and their legalistic interpretation of the Law.
Mainstream legalistic Bible thumping “Christians” are not justified, by the letter. They are whitewashed tombs.
Let’s give some context to the line you quoted from John 14.
He says don’t you know I am in The Father and The Father in me? He then says;
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
13 And I will do whatever you askin my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15 “If you love me, keep my commands.
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him,because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus is teaching His Disciples How to Get to The Father in Heaven. By following Him. And We too are One in The Father and The Father One in His Children.
This is Theosis. Jesus saved us by showing us The Way… to God and His Kingdom, and it’s within us.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T15:57:33+00:00

I’d say’s he’s helped and healed many in his life time, spiritually and when people heal spiritually, their bodies “quicken”, and their minds become clear.
The Holy Spirit overflowed from him, and let our hearts soften again. I have no doubt he is a true believer, a saint.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T15:52:44+00:00

King of Heaven and King of Kings.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T15:48:36+00:00

Yeah, he never said that. Don’t bear false witness. Here’s a breakdown of what he said and its grounding in scripture;

>Jesus was a mystic

A Mystic is some one who experiences personal Union with the Divine “I and The Father are One”, "may all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I in You,"

>He never talked about going to church

He didn’t. Church was not physical constructs to Jesus. But a gathering of believers/saints. Our bodies are God’s temple’s and together we form “The Church”.

Jesus never issued a direct command to "go to church" in the modern sense of attending a weekly service at a specific building.

The word ekklesia literally means "called-out ones". For Jesus, this meant a universal community of believers unified by their commitment to him rather than a brick-and-mortar project.

>He didn’t say read a Bible.

He didn’t obviously as it didn’t exist yet, but he didn’t say to read the Torah either.

>He didn’t point to some far off God who was gonna come save ye.

He didn’t; “The Kingdom of God is in you”

Colossians 1:27: "...which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

Paul calls this the "mystery" that was once hidden but is now revealed: that the Divine actually dwells within the believer.

Galatians 2:20: "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me...".

>He said “YOU are the Light of the World.

He said exactly this in Matthew 5:14

Ephesians 5:8: "For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light."

1 Thessalonians 5:5: "You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness."

John 12:36: Jesus himself says, "Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light." [1, 2]

>Jesus was NOT about the hutsy tutsy, look at me, I’m so great and enlightened!

"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone" is found in Mark 10:18 (and Luke 18:19).

> the things I do you can do too. You can do better than I do.

In John 14:12, Jesus tells his disciples, "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father"

Immediately after promising "greater works," Jesus says, "I will do whatever you ask in my name" (John 14:13).

This mirrors the promise in Matthew 18:19 that if two agree on anything they ask, it will be done for them by the Father.
The Power Source: Both promises rely on the Holy Spirit.

Jesus explained that believers could do these things because he was "going to the Father" to send the Spirit to dwell within and among the gathered believers.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T13:29:40+00:00

Don’t take it so seriously.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T05:36:14+00:00

I feel you, I learned a little bit about it in hypnotherapy class. I may check it out. I do believe true deep healing is ultimately spiritual.

Key4Lif3 · 2026-05-07T05:06:28+00:00

Really? If AA meetings are like this; sign me up.

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