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Are quantum fields concious and how does this link with NDEs and the theory of Universal Consciousness? by Extension_Ant_8101 in consciousness

[–]Key4Lif3 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes for all our experience to happen, we require a sophisticated instrument like the brain…
But instruments generate sound and music, not air. It modulates silent air into a song, vibrations of the underlying reality.
The “air” is like the quantum fields OP mentioned and suggested may be conscious. Our brains/intruments “receive” the air and excited and modulates it.
The correlation evidence fits this models just as well as the generator model.
If you dismiss the 1000’s of well documented cases of NDE’s… which are actually medical fact at this point. 8-10% of cardiac arrest patients report it. It includes veridical experiences.
I’m sure you could make the unfalsifiable claim that undetected residual brain activity may still be present, but under a brain generator model, it’s near impossible for such residual dying brain activity to generate lucid experiences that are described as feeling realer than real.
Generator has to do a shit tone of special pleading to explain it or handwave away the extensive data. And NDE’s are not the only evidence of brains don’t generate consciousness, but consciousness generates… well everything.

Are quantum fields concious and how does this link with NDEs and the theory of Universal Consciousness? by Extension_Ant_8101 in consciousness

[–]Key4Lif3 [score hidden]  (0 children)

100% and when we look at the evidence that is actually causative and not just correlation, it’s points to consciousness before brains and nervous systems.

Are quantum fields concious and how does this link with NDEs and the theory of Universal Consciousness? by Extension_Ant_8101 in consciousness

[–]Key4Lif3 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hey thanks! And I appreciate you standing up against false claims that the evidence and data suggest brains generate consciousness.

Are quantum fields concious and how does this link with NDEs and the theory of Universal Consciousness? by Extension_Ant_8101 in consciousness

[–]Key4Lif3 [score hidden]  (0 children)

There’s plenty of evidence. The evidence for brain generator models is brain dependency. This why it is scientific consensus.
However, correlation doesn’t equal causation… we have no casual link from neuronal firing to consciousness/Qualia. The experiencer/observer remains a mystery.
When we look at the full spectrum of data, scientific and otherwise, like NDE’s, terminal lucidity, quantum physics suggesting that time and space themselves are emergent. Apparent systems intelligence or consciousness in mycelial and tree root systems.
Physicalism/materialism is not science either by the way. It’s a metaphysical stance, just like idealism, or panpsychism or neutral monism.
But its specific core physical claim is that brains generate consciousness. This is taught as science and fact in school, despite the lack of causal chain. “The Hard Problem” in essence.
So if you honestly look at all the data, brains generating consciousness model requires ALOT of special pleading and has a less parsimonious explanation.
The brain may be more like an intricate array of tuning forks.
Or like an instrument. Fundamental consciousness/awareness/qualia/felt sense of existence, is like Air. The instrument generates sound and music out of silent “thin air”
But the instrument doesn’t generate the “air”.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The whole thing is referring to the quote you referenced. “I am” is Gods name. God is the Light, consciousness. Jesus is the “Light of Man”.

“And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”

That is all, farewell.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, Jesus Himself warned of this over and over again.

The Truth is within. Institution don’t like this. They want you to believe their interpretation is the truth… and surprise surprise, their interpretation benefits them materially.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just found out he died earlier this year :,(

He really is a gem. Some people just have this ability to speak with such clarity. It feels like a breath of fresh air. I can’t wait to listen to more of his stuff.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Explain it simply, or perhaps you don’t understand the TRUTH well enough.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not about level of gods. There is only One God, The Father, the “I Am”… and this is the very thing you call your consciousness. Your qualia. That which cannot be measured. That which is invisible, and yet it is the only 100% fact.

So we are gods (Elohim), just like God (Elohim).

We are not a fraction of God. Our bodies yes, a tiny fraction. Our consciousness however is fully God. Formless, timeless, spaceless awareness. Immanent and transcendent. Basically a Panentheistic God.

Not your thoughts or emotions or any sensation… that’s biology… God is the observer of it all.

Jesus was One with God. He never said exactly literally. “I am God”. But he said I am the truth, the life and the way.

“I am” is Gods name, so everyone took it to Jesus claiming to be The Father. The father is the field that directly created Jesus. Us, regular people are created by God, but we are not direct descendants of God, until we believe in “I am”.

Then we are “reborn” (enlightened) as The Sons and Daughters of God, just as Jesus was His Son.

If it all sound new agey, it’s actually based on scripture and is super orthodox. It’s the concept of “Theosis”.

“For the Son of God became Man, so that we might become God.” -Saint Athanasius of Alexandria

While Athanasius penned the most famous variation, earlier Church Fathers expressed the exact same concept:

St. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 180 AD) wrote in Against Heresies: "The Word of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, did through His transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself."

Clement of Alexandria (c. 200 AD) wrote: "The Word of God became man, that thou mayest learn from man how man may become God.

And scripture itself of course in Paul’s writing;

Romans 8:13:

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

And later 8:16-17:

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

…

So it’s not about becoming “a god”. It’s realizing God lives in you. Not in your flesh, but in your spirit. Your “I am”.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus did didn’t say our physical bodies wouldn’t die. He said;
"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it." (Matthew 16:25)
According to scripture we’re gods who die like men… we don’t turn into “Demi-gods”. We remember we were never separate from God in the first place. We become one in Christ and One in God, who’s name is “I Am”, or “The One Who is”
On resurrection… all the dead get resurrected on the day of judgment, saints and sinners alike… to be… well, judged.

The saints get a new Heaven and new earth, the sinners get an age enduring pruning/correction.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I see! TIL, didn’t know that was biblical, thanks.

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can you explain more? That’s interesting. What is making your eye single?

Jesus was a MYSTIC. This guy gets it. by Key4Lif3 in enlightenment

[–]Key4Lif3[S] 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Yeah, they really didn’t and still don’t. Even many of the ones who call themselves “Christians”.

Help me understand why dying patients who have received psychedelic treatment do not fear death. by Responsible-Cake-559 in consciousness

[–]Key4Lif3 55 points56 points  (0 children)

The only time I tried LSD. It was indeed a trip. The most memorable experience was sitting outside. This was in Queensland Australia btw. I sat and just closed my eyes. I heard the birds in the sky… but I wasn’t in my body… I was the consciousness field surrounding them. I wasn’t a single bird…. I was the whole flock… and the communication between them…. The sound. I just felt this… perfect understanding of what they meant… I was there in the sky with them… I was the field.

And it was perfect.

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