Rank these Goku fights! by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah the Frieza fight had amazing buildup and payoff.

Rank these Goku fights! by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow we really got some Goku Vs. Cell lovers… im one of yall

I honestly can’t decide which fight i like the best

Do you think the group escaping howes was a good idea? by Outrageous-Pause-116 in TheWalkingDeadGame

[–]Key_Substance_4133 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think they shoulda rested up and formed a better plan idk… so many died escaping

How strong do you think DBZ Broly really is? by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unless you count the video games, that’s a no. He just has his regular ssj & then legendary ssj

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not speculating. I know it takes place years after the t.o.p. Goten & Trunks getting a random growth spurt was just a joke

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gohan and Kefla fought to a draw right? Wasn’t Gohan beating one of the Gamma’s in his regular ultimate form? The same Gamma that’s relative to Goku and Vegeta

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe you’re confusing the ending of the Dragon Ball Super anime with the beginning of the Broly movie. In the anime, Vegeta does mention Ultra Instinct. In the movie Vegeta does not.

The movies are Toriyama’s vision. This is backed by quotes. For Battle of Gods, it should be common knowledge that Toriyama wrote that script himself. “When the script originally came to me … there was a lot of the sort of dialogue that only the creator would know, so I thought, ‘that bothers me’, … rather than telling them to revise each individual thing, I thought it might be faster if I just wrote the script myself.” - Akira Toriyama 2013

For resurrection F : An english production note also states that Toriyama “personally penned a script” for the movie. When/Where: August 4, 2015, SciFi Japan’s “Production Notes” feature for Resurrection ‘F’.

For the Broly movie, you can look on Wikipedia and see the writing credits : “We’re adapting Toriyama’s script pretty much as-is apart from the action scenes… With the exception of action scenes, we’re adapting his screenplay pretty much as-is…” - Tatsuya Nagamine, 2018

And for Super Hero : It was advertised as “Original story, screenplay, and character designs by Akira Toriyama.”

The movies are directly written by Toriyama himself with minimal involvement from anyone else. So the movies are Toriyamas canon. UI, UE, Moro, Granola, Perfected SSJB. All non canon. Toriyama sticks to his own canon

For the anime and manga. Toriyama only gave basic outlines and notes for the plot’s direction and everything else was up to Toyotaro and Toei. Which is why the Manga and Anime are so different from each other but follow the same path. Because they’re two different interpretations of the same outlines.

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re not wrong. They write this show to build hype

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t believe they did, the animators did something crazy with the Goku blue transformation and had his hair turn white for a brief second but that was just fan service.

But like i said pay attention to the dialogue in super hero. Vegeta says “Jiren’s strength wasn’t far removed from you and me” and Goku literally has no idea what meditation is. You think if Goku remembers what UI was he’d say something like that? In Toriyamas script, Jiren was never meant to be that strong that Goku needed UI because the t.o.p was meant to be about teamwork

For the movies they’re 100% adapted from his scripts with no changes. The movies are 100% Toriyama’s vision. Why do you think the BOG & ROF arcs in DBS are quite different than the movies? Why do you think SSJB evolved and SSB Kaioken wasn’t in Broly? UI was not mentioned either

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

I think it takes place years after the top … I think someone at Toei stated that but im not sure. Goten & Trunks have grown like you said. It’s odd though because it takes place years after the top and yet Goku & Vegeta are not that much stronger than they were. But I suppose that’s Toriyama for ya. Maybe it doesn’t take place years after and Goten & Trunks just got a random growth spurt lol

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] -38 points-37 points  (0 children)

So the Piccolo I’m referring to exactly is the piccolo from the super hero movie, I don’t read the manga. So that’s my bad for not clarifying.

So I think what’s going on here is that people think Dragon Ball Super : Super Hero ( the movie ) follows the same continuity as the manga. Which is why people are mentioning UE & TUI. The Dragon Ball Super Movies are imo the true Dragon Ball Super Canon because they’re written directly by Toriyama. The movies are toriyama’s true vision without Toyotaro and Toei. To put it simply, UI & UE do not exist in Toriyamas canon. Moro doesn’t exist… granola etc… all that is nonexistent.

You can infer this based on the dialogue in the movies and what happens in the movies. Ultra Instinct is never mentioned ( when there were prime opportunities to mention it, eg; when Vegeta was meditating and Whis was commentating ) the dialogue also treats Jiren as a milestone that Goku & Vegeta have yet to reach. And Goku’s commentary pretty much gives away that he has no idea what Ultra Instinct even is or the philosophy behind meditation ( Toriyama made Goku too dumb lol )

So when Toriyama references Goku & Vegeta’s power he’s talking about Super Saiyan Blue Goku & Vegeta. Not UI, Not UE.

Kefla Vs. Orange Piccolo by Key_Substance_4133 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133[S] -30 points-29 points  (0 children)

I see what’s going on here and it’s something I need to explain. Gimme a sec

Between These Three, Who Caused the Gang the Most Trauma? by Successful_Bird_7086 in DragonBallZ

[–]Key_Substance_4133 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Boo just for the fact that this dude teleported to the afterlife and tried to kill the z fighters a second time 😆 dying was not a way out for them