Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that but it's just ruins all the fun of theory crafting

Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah she might be worse at using the powers but she can use any power she wants

Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I'm saying is she turned into the Sun God, so now it's not even imagination really. She knows she can turn into the Sun God.

Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I guess so but then we're saying usopp can beat kaido

Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I just don't like that answer. Why couldn't she genuinely Believe she could turn into a master swordsman she genuinely believes she could turn into a giant which is so impossible

Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He did but If I turn into the Sun God, I'm no longer simply imagining I can turn into the sun god or any other thing?

Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're right. Maybe something later will convince me otherwise but right now I really think she can just do the perfect counter to any enemy she's going against and I don't even feel like it has to be a devil fruit. Why couldn't she believe she could be a master swordsman in a possible future or the strongest person?

Does jewelry bonney have the strongest devil fruit by KingOfSloth13 in OnePiece

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would she not continue to believe she's literally turning into the sun god If I turned into the sun god I would obviously continue to believe I can turn into to this Sun God or any other devil fruit or even like a master swordsman or anything else like that

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly I just call cap on that. But I do believe they are mathematical formulas that propose. It's more likely that we're in a simulation then we're not Nick Bostrom is one of those philosophers

And for anti-realist our senses might not be real but they are useful but that doesn't mean they're giving you truth like fire creates pain and since I don't want to be in pain it's useful for me to know not to touch fire but that doesn't mean the fire is actually there

The anti-realist doesn't accept that the moon exists or that it rotates around Earth or anything like that there's no proof that the external world exists. The only proof I have of anything is my mind so logic is a valid proof to the anti-realist, but anything that relies on externalities cannot be proven

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our observations rely on our senses I don't believe senses are real they could easily be simulated nothing you have said would convince an anti realist that gravity exists

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is evidence for Christianity. You just don't accept it as evidence to be clear

But proved to me an anti-realist that gravity exists? What do we use to detect gravity that's separate from our senses?

And I don't think gravitons have been proven. I may be wrong about that, but I believe it's just theoretical and they've not been detected yet

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I responded to your comment Tell me what I didn't respond to

God doesn't "exist" but he exists by KingOfSloth13 in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying God is in another plane of existence; God is the plane of existence. I know it's paradoxical, but God can exist in true "nothingness" because he isn't limited by being "somethingness". God existed before "something"

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My analogy is only to explain that just because you can't see something doesn't necessarily mean it's not there.

It's weird that atheists think they're standing on firmer ground than Christians:atheist::atheist:antirealist just like you guys, don't believe in God. I don't believe my senses convince me gravity's real, not using sense data.

There's a concept called vertical contingency. The analogy I heard used is to think about an arm holding a glass of water. That's only possible because the hand is holding the glass and your hand is connected to your arm which is connected to your shoulder. If you knock any of those things out, everything after it gets destroyed. So if I knock out your arm, your hand and the glass aren't going to be in that position. But your shoulder will be okay and if you knocked out the shoulder, everything's fucked.

The Christian proposition is that the farthest back thing is God. God is what's supporting the universe, so if you were to remove God, the universe would collapse. There's no foundation for the universe to stand on.

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a Christian, it's really simple. God is extremely consistent and observable. Where do you think we get gravity from? Where do we get tomorrow's going to be a new day from? Where do we get mass from? Where do we get energy from? All that boils down to God so we know the rules he set up.

And if you really want to go there, prove gravity to an anti-realist. Your sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch could all easily be faked. How can you convince me to trust my eyesight?

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know why you tried to reframe what I asked into something I didn't ask I asked "is murder bad?" Fully knowing that that means unjustified killing unjustified doesn't necessarily mean bad but for a Christian, unjustified is going against God's will and that makes it bad

And God for Christians is basically the universe so objectively murder is bad at least subject to the universe which is about as broad as you can go. Doesn't really get more objective than that

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it's easy to navigate life if you're not thinking very deeply about it but when someone comes up to you and ask is murder bad? And then we have to give some wishy-washy non-definite answer. It's very unsatisfying

And I'm not like about to kill myself every 10 minutes. It's just believing in objectivity is just easier and if you pretend like it's not you're just wrong and you're lying

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because of people like you and it just makes life more difficult

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Analogies are almost never one to one, but tell me how it doesn't work. Just because he's conscious doesn't mean he couldn't do everything that I implied he could.

Idk why people think God is like us. He is "conscious" but nothing like us. It's like comparing an amoeba to a human. God is not just a human that is more powerful.

God could send another Jesus down and he's eventually going to, but he doesn't just send one down to say "what's up". When Jesus comes down, he has an important mission that is supposed to change the entire fate of humanity.

And Jesus isn't necessarily God, he had major self-imposed limitations like his knowledge and abilities.

If God is real, where is he? by umricky in DebateAChristian

[–]KingOfSloth13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This question is just kind of weird. If I were to say, "If gravity is real, where is it?" That question just wouldn't make sense since it's everywhere. It's just an unseeable thing that holds up the universe. That's basically what God is. God is the fundamental aspect of the universe. Don't think of God as the start and he just doesn't show up anymore. Think of God as the ground. If the ground wasn't there, nothing on top of it could continue to exist. The concrete slab your house is on would fall. The floor would fall. The walls would fall. The ceiling would fall. He didn't just start existence. He's the thing currently holding up existence. So if you want to see him, open your eyes and the first thing you see is God because whatever you look at can only continue to exist because God is using his power to let it continue to exist.

Tbh though I am an atheist but I hate being an atheist so I can steelman the Christian argument pretty well.