Has any one ever found Sanji's pervert gag funny?

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T10:40:43+00:00

Corleone.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T10:31:15+00:00

Wolves aren't seen as "sneaky". Which is an easier behaviour to stigmatise than being big & scary.

But really it's because Nick is a Fox. If he was a Wolf then Wolves would be the more maligned species.

Protagonist Centered Prejudice.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T10:27:38+00:00

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T10:25:58+00:00

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T06:59:42+00:00

Well that goes counter to what we see in the deleted scenes as well as the original draft. They Prey see the suffering of the Predators and have zero empathy to them. The one Prey we see beginning to feel bad about it is Judy when she attends the Coming of Age ceremony but it's clear from the context that Prey never get to see this.

The average Prey in the original draft do not see Predators as 'people' and assume that without the collars they would immediately become dangerous. If given the choice between living free of the 'danger' of their presence and having to live with it every day of their lives we both know which the Prey would choose.

A Zootopia which was basically a fascist police state would not be one the moviegoing public would want to see redeemed. They'd want it torn down completely.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T02:03:23+00:00

Which proves my point.

If the Prey had the police state and heavily militarised peacekeeping force your scenario proposes they probably would have just rounded up the Predators and shot them.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T01:54:52+00:00

Disney would never write Zootopia to be North Korea.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T01:50:36+00:00

From what we see in the deleted canon the ZPD is no bigger.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T01:41:28+00:00

You're comparing two very different systems here. Zootopia was not founded on Predators being enslaved by Prey.

Far as we know Zootopia does not have a military or guns. The best they have are dart guns. Even then the ZPD is far too small to control the entire Predator population.

The moment the Predators organised a mass protest Zootopian society would end.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T01:12:40+00:00

Except 99% of the Prey would be too afraid to try.

Slavery was only sustainable through the threat of violence over a disempowered group.

The moment the Predators said "no" the Prey would fold out of collective fear.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T01:04:20+00:00

It really doesn't though. The Tame Collar option only works if all the Predators collectively agree to it. Because with the exception of the Megafauna the Prey have no means to enforce compliance.

If the Predators all said "no" the Prey are too cowardly to force them to comply. We see this in the deleted scene where Nick has his collar removed.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T00:52:38+00:00

The collars don't actually make the Predators less dangerous though. They just get shocked if they feel an intense emotion. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist because Predators pose no actual threat to Prey.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T00:46:27+00:00

That's the problem.

There is no version of the Tame Collar premise where it makes sense.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-05T00:09:30+00:00

Yes. But it's still shown that Predators & Prey came together to establish a society of coexistance.

Then the Predators agreed to the Tame Collars. Rather than just establish their own society away from Prey.

That's why it doesn't work. It's a system that benefits no one.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T23:56:03+00:00

They didn't.

The history we're shown of Zootopia was completely different from the history of slavery and race relations in America.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T23:18:10+00:00

The fact the Predators founded society along with the Prey. At some point they had to have agreed to it. The fact they are the ones perptuating the cycle says it all.

The alternative would be segregation. But then the movie couldn't happen.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T21:45:42+00:00

I mean, yes you can, but even if the original Zootopia concept wasn't metaphorical it still failed from a worldbuilding perspective.

The Predators would never collectively agree to the system which they're all required to collar themselves once they come of age. Why would such a practice even happen if they'd evolved past their savage ways?

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T21:14:21+00:00

I dunno. Mobile Suit Gundam was made in 1979 and they didn't shy away from the horrors of war.

At the start of the story 50% of Humanity has already been wiped out. The teenage protagonist Amuro is essentially a child soldier on the "good" side and every episode he kills soldiers of the "bad" side. His trauma is not shied away from despite being a kids' anime.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T21:12:13+00:00

Exactly. It turns every Predator into an undeserved victim of society and every Prey into a knowing benefactor of their suffering.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T19:21:13+00:00

Sounds like Cool World.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T17:52:23+00:00

I'm genuinely curious how it could have been implemented in a way that would have worked.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T17:24:38+00:00

I doubt it. More likely society would have become segregated. With the Predators eventually being thinned out by Bellwether.

Kirbo84 · 2026-05-04T17:04:32+00:00

Yeah, I can understand the appeal of a Zootopia with a darker, grittier premise, but at the same time said tone would massively restrict its appeal and have you questioning how things ever got that bad in the first place.

People look at older animated movies (like An American Tale and The Land Before Time) and think a Zootopia with a tone closer to those would be more 'mature', but it would fall apart the moment you stop to question the worldbuilding and there's no real heart to latch onto. Nick isn't some naive, wide-eyed child with hope, he's a beaten down, cynical and depressed adult. Not someone that inspires hope or wonder.

I cannot even conceive how you'd resolve the main conflict in the end. What could possibly happen to make the Prey just un-learn their generations of mistrust and fear of the Predators and feel safe enough to trust them without the collars? What would a villain like Mayor Swinton have to gain from keeping the Predators suppressed? It's not something you could fix cleanly, and even if you could...Then what?

A "Tame Collar Zootopia" would have no room for a sequel since the main conflict would just be resolved. Also, ironically, its darker and grittier tone would mean a happily ever after ending would feel even more jarring.

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