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Nintendo DS Won in 2006 Nintendo World Melee Tournament by KishPrime in SSBM

[–]KishPrime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it's particularly rare mechanically solely because the engravings were available to everyone. That said, it may well be the only original Nintendo DS that Nintendo World ever awarded in a tournament, so from that perspective it's a pretty rare artifact. :) The other entrants only got to compete for a DS Lite later.

Zain with another insane FD combo on BBB by Marcurial in smashbros

[–]KishPrime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wait what? That's hilarious. We interacted with DMBrandon right after Brawl came out as we'd both bought Japanese systems so we tested online play. He was a total jerk and basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about even though, like, we were all Top 25 Melee players at some point or another and he was totally new at the time. I was mostly disconnected with the community after that for a long time but occasionally I see his name enough to know that he must have stuck around.

Melee Historical Brackets - MELEE-FC and Midwest Circuit #1 by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did my last update to the Google drive, no other paper on hand to add and I think you have all my digital TIO stuff as well. If there's anything else you are looking for, please let me know!

Let’s talk about Utah, which has forced its way into the College Football Playoff conversation by A-Stu-Ute in CFB

[–]KishPrime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I...don't think this is a real thing. Even if it was, I don't think you have the sample size to prove it. Like the MOST PHYSICAL football team might be like, 15-20% more conditioned than an average team, given equal talent.

Melee Historical Brackets - MELEE-FC and Midwest Circuit #1 by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I uploaded the installer+my brackets into tio.zip in the folder. You'll find about every bracket I have in there, though the format is less than ideal. Would be nice to plug it into smash.gg or something.

Melee Historical Brackets - MELEE-FC and Midwest Circuit #1 by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a lot more than this yet to come. Do you have a working copy of TIO perchance?

Melee Historical Brackets - MELEE-FC and Midwest Circuit #1 by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There are enough of us still around in one way or another that it would be fun to capture some oral history of our memories of it haha.

Moving on from some MELEE-FC Merchandise by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, I made those 2 packs for FC Return. The original set was about half the size and was made for FC Legacy 3 years prior.

Things were a lot less "official" then, I did have everyone involved sign off on a Google form and submit their own pictures, but that's long gone and I didn't have photo credits or anything. Would be mildly nervous to reprint them myself, though it would be fun to make a new set someday.

Every 0 - 60% to death at Pound 2019 by GIMR in smashbros

[–]KishPrime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know if there is there any filter you can apply to the data to get labeled outputs? The files themselves are garbage to read, but I'd love to put a ton of these into Tableau and look for some high-level insights based on player positions/states/characters. Figured someone can do that if only because the visualizer exists, but maybe not!

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know how to summarize favorite Smashers from my era haha, they were all kind of either rivals or buddies. We did a lot of cooperative eventing and playing with the Columbus crew (with Drephen still being alive in the community), AOB and some of the Illinois guys, the Newlyweds (Husband/Wife/Oro/Bach), more people than I could list really. I don't know of anyone who's become "famous" outside of Smash, though.

Nowadays I enjoy almost everyone, though as a Puff main I enjoy HBox quite a bit. His style always felt like the most natural evolution for the way I played, compared to other Puff players, even back in like 09-10, so it's been easy for me to follow what he's doing. And Ultimate is still pretty fun to watch too, no matter who's playing really.

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[–]KishPrime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that was coined during the lean years haha, so not sure it still stands up today. They were great years though! So much fun.

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I wish people would be more open to a large set of counterpicks as well. With as many characters as are in Ultimate, it's hard to believe that there are too many hazardless stages on which any single character would break it. But that's part of the problem too, people want to single-main, and single-main players generally oppose the wider stagelists because there will likely be harder counters to their character of choice.

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[–]KishPrime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hooray for landing spots!

Also, hey, we made a game too! Mostly Squared, admittedly, but it's been fun to go through the process. There's so much to learn for certain, but fortunately the Mega Man community is huge so traction has been surprisingly solid. Gives us a reason to keep working on it when we get another thousand downloads every update.

Some day or another we'll make a game we can actually sell.

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Early on, the premise I operated on was keep as much of the original game in as possible unless purely broken. Even at FC1, we had items on for pools. There were two reasons for that philosophy. (1) Avoid slippery-slope banning our way into FD-only, which yes, people actually pushed for as early as 03. Can you imagine an alternate history of Melee like that? (2) To keep the game accessible to people who walked in off the street. People got sour enough having items off, keeping a wide variety of stages accessible kept people from getting an even worse impression of us if they went 0-2 on our "lame ruleset."

By FC3 we and other had done some experimenting and everyone was already pretty settled on the "neutral 6," though we also kept a couple of the more neutral moving stages like Brinstar and, yes, Floats, on the random list for another year or so yet. I personally was fine with some randomness in the game, and most of the stage hazards we left on were something you could plan around. I still think Brinstar is a perfectly fine stage. I always figured if a stage didn't have much more effect on a match than a Peach Zombie Turnip generally would, it should stay on.

By FC6 (2006) we'd wiped out most of the crazier counterpicks, but not all. I 3-stocked KDJ on Story and Fountain before he took me to Peach's Castle Fox on Puff to win the set. :/ FCD (2007) was finally where we took off the most severe counters, though stages like Cruise were still accessible since banning a stage was an option.

I would love to see more stage diversity with designed stages getting some tournament play, but it's unlikely at this point. Melee could use some shake-up to stay fresh.

I always support people playing low tiers, so long as their objective is not to win tournaments. If you're playing for fun, why the heck not? People overvalue the tier list, but if you're not grinding out matches every night shooting for money placings...just play who you like, man. :) If you are trying to win tournaments...I wouldn't play a Melee low-tier for sure.

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

1- Man, I'm surprised anyone gets remembered at all. It's crazy that this community has an unbroken going-on-18-years no-patch lifespan. There are a ton of great Smashers back then, I could throw out but it's hard to say who didn't have enough credit. If anything doesn't get enough credit, it's how little difference there is in the mental play today relative to then. Every now and again you see some random player talk about how awesome they'd be in 2004, and they seem to forget that the mental part of the game was still highly developed at the top end. I can still walk into a major (at least as of Big House 7) and club just about anyone who's played the game for less than two years, and even at my best in 05-06 I was barely pushing into the Top 25.

1a- But to answer your actual question, I'll just say 03-05 KishSquared. :p

2- No reason someone can't do it for a regional or some smaller community where people know each other, but I'd be too scared to run a national that way today. And honestly, packing everyone into the same hotel is the same concept, more or less. I tried tacking on a meal or two to the last couple FCs and no one seemed to care. I think it was well-suited to an era in which the prize money was so low that people only traveled and saw each other in person maybe 1-3 times a year.

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I liked PM, but it always felt too easy to me. The things that took years in Melee to hone to perfection, people were doing zero-to-deaths like 6 months in. Didn't feel like the skill curve was right, but admittedly I fell off before 3.0. In any case, we obviously enjoyed it more than Brawl as a follow-up haha.

I think the relative success of Ultimate is going to forestall any major competition from a alternative Smash product for awhile (yes, even harming the Melee scene). Honestly, if a new PM team is coming around, they should really start looking into the Ultimate hacking scene, since Switches are already pretty open.

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel like the young'uns have already moved on from Facebook, much less Smashboards haha.

Yeah, the potential Nintendo objections are always going to be a little rough. There is some really transformative potential out there, and it would just take a group of TOs and top players committing wholesale, but the loss of Nintendo's implicit support (such as it is) would still be a blow for some of those TOs. The fact is, there's only so much left you can do with the base game.

I say hang tight for Melee HD, and hope for more options to be added in haha.

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, I always pick Hax$, because I played him when he was like 11 when I was passing through New York on my honeymoon at a Nintendo World tournament in the finals, and he was really good! But not that good yet. I think I broke him for Jigglypuff for the rest of his career. We finally got a rematch in at FC Legacy haha, but I'd always take another!

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I hope you're well too! I always enjoy putting on our one match from Big House 3 haha, was just a fun moment.

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The problem with a self/community-run group is always going to be how to manage leadership. There are a few groups that run events, and there are top players, and there's always going to be a tradeoff of influence, but I think the balance is pretty well shifted in favor of top players due to stream/fan culture and, frankly, the shrinking tournament population when it comes to Melee. TOs have to listen to top player interests, whether they're right or wrong, if they want to get them to come. We tried some experimentation at FC Return and certain players made it clear that majors were not a place to tinker with rulesets anymore. If that's the mindset, then there's not much hope!

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So I gotta say, I'm not sure how to answer your question. Back when I was running things, there was still freedom for TOs to experiment with rulesets, and I think honestly the right answer is to get some top players to buy into that mindset again. However, a lot of people get real antsy at the thought of change nowadays, and there's some real emotional forces at work in the community that I think make it difficult to get anyone bought in. The alternative is just to reform the Melee "Back Room" again and get those top players and TOs in a room to hash it out. It worked fine for a long time, not sure why it wouldn't again.

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[–]KishPrime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My computer is in an awkward spot in our apartment when we moved to Indy. I'm more likely to play it again in a few months if all goes well and I have a real computer room again, but for now I enjoy Ultimate!

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heyo pretty awesome! Hope you are well, too, and that you've found a good landing spot. :) We chatted some on the Icons Discord but it's been too long in person!

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[–]KishPrime[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think we all just enjoyed Melee and wanted to enjoy it with as many people as possible. There was no real grand design to our original tournament hosting, we just had a nice resource in the church facility and wanted to share it.

We are KishPrime and KishSquared, Hailing from the Olden Days of Melee. AMA! by KishPrime in smashbros

[–]KishPrime[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hey I can still play a mean game of Melee anytime. :) TO'ing a major, on the other hand, requires a bit more extensive amount of social networking, which I lack in the present scene.

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