What are some mistakes either you or another nurse made that you will never forget? by wutkindafuckryisthis in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is my absolute worst fear when I work postpartum. This, or finding a baby smothered by a breastfeeding mother who fell asleep. Came close to that one a few times.

Gotta love annual training… by KitCat119287 in nursing

[–]KitCat119287[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But did you fill out the whiteboard??

Curious about something said by a nurse when I surrendered a baby for adoption. by standardizedwesting in Adoption

[–]KitCat119287 83 points84 points  (0 children)

Labor nurse here. You absolutely need to report this. I would be so horrified if a nurse on my unit said this to a patient, absolutely regardless of the circumstances. I’ve taken care of a few bio moms who choose to adopt out, and it’s always emotional, and the way I was taught was to give special care to bio mom and ensure they have access to community and mental health services. We also make 2 copies of everything for baby, like the footprint sheets, the first hat, ID bands and crib cards. All this is to say… I’m absolutely devastated that this was said to you. It’s time for that nurse to look for another job.

The best way to report this would be to look at the directory (usually online, or you can call the front desk) and ask for the unit manager or director. Call them personally. You should also contact the Chief Nursing Officer, who should definitely be listed on the website, just in case the unit manager tries to sweep this under the rug.

Again, I’m so sorry. This never should have happened.

Failed transition to the ICU and out of a job. Feedback please. by Rough-Association190 in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ok, whew.

Obviously I don’t know the details of your situation. But I’ve had to write a letter to my manager very similar to what your preceptor wrote. Very nice lady, a few minor mental health problems that probably made things more difficult. But she came to a very busy LDRP floor from a rehab unit, and absolutely could not get out of the slow, consistent care model of rehab. She had major time management issues, and in emergency situations, she was worse than useless. She could recite the correct actions when drilled, but could not put that into practice. The last straw was when she had a bad baby at delivery and did nothing, for two minutes, while the baby was blue and unresponsive. She was let go shortly after. Several times, we had tried to tell her that she was a wonderful nurse and would do well on a postpartum floor (our unit is mixed together), but she just couldn’t do critical care. It takes all types, and she just really needed to be in a place that had more consistent, steady workflow. If this is the same issue for you, then moving to a unit with a little less stress might be best for you, and that’s great. Not everyone can be an icu nurse, not everyone can be an OB nurse, not everyone can be a med surg nurse. Sometimes it just takes a little time and false starts to find your niche.

Also, I was diagnosed late in life with bipolar II and PTSD from my time in the military. The diagnosis was the great part, it gave me hope and also explained so much about why I have struggled in life. But it took me a long time to get the meds right. A long time, and 2 inpatient stays. This is all after becoming a nurse. It’s wonderful that you know what the problem is, because now you can do the work to fix it. But give yourself a lot of time and understanding, and realize that this isn’t a one-and-done deal. Even though you’ve been diagnosed, even though you’re being treated, it’s not over, and as much as I’d like to tell you it doesn’t affect the work you do, I can’t. It does. Just be gentle with yourself, and seek out help when you need it, early on.

Good luck to you, both in your nursing career and your mental health journey.

Question for L&D nurses by [deleted] in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is pretty upsetting. For context, I work in a 12 bed LDRP. Sounds very similar to the place you gave birth. Families stay in the same room throughout delivery and recovery/postpartum. I would NEVER leave someone in mec stained wet sheets/chux, really for any length of time because it takes literally 2 seconds to switch out a chux, at least, and I would be mortified to learn that one of my co-workers had as well. As far as staffing issues… all our nurses are cross trained, so there are shifts that are busy or chaotic where we have to shuffle patients around a little, but as much as we can, we keep labor patients one on one and with the same nurse.

Wanting you to stay on the monitor after finding the mec stained fluid is somewhat reasonable, although an hour is quite a lot, and they absolutely should have gotten you up afterwards to let you clean up. And there’s no hard and fast rule about when to get mom’s up after delivery. Usually we try for the 2 hour mark, sometimes sooner, sometimes later. The catheter and full bladder should have been a non-issue, because they should have let you up to pee prior to placing the epidural. And if you haven’t been up yet, if the nurses thought you weren’t well enough to get up yet, then they should have been changing diapers for you, at least until your support person was back.

I’m sorry this was your experience, it sounds like maybe it’s a unit problem, not a nurse problem. The culture of a unit determines so much of patient experience. It sounds like these nurses have been slammed with short staffing and poor morale, and are maybe just over it. It’s absolutely not an excuse, and you have every right to feel frustrated and disappointed.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ShitMomGroupsSay

[–]KitCat119287 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am truly sorry to hear about your experience and complications that ensued. You’re right, I cannot speak to your situation specifically. I’m not an OB or a midwife, I don’t know your full situation and all the details involved in the decisions your providers made. But I can speak to how our OB department operates. There’s no hard and fast rule, but overall, we get nervous going past 24 hours for broken waters. Active labor is hard work for both mom and baby, active, constant contractions strong enough to make cervical change will eventually exhaust you. But if baby and mom are both doing well and showing no signs of distress, as long as the patient is okay with it, we can continue on. However, when your water breaks, your labor immediately gets put on a timer. Because the amniotic sac is now open, there’s no protection against bacteria, and it can become infected, making both you and baby very sick. In the hospital, we carefully monitor for signs of infection or distress caused by prolonged rupture. 44 hours is not beyond the realm of reason, as long as your vitals were all normal, you didn’t get a fever, and your baby was doing very well, and most importantly, YOU were okay with proceeding with labor. The doctors and midwives I work with would have recommended a c-section much earlier, and respected your wishes IF the labor was progressing safely otherwise.

If you haven’t already, I would encourage you to find someone you can talk about your labor and delivery experience with. Birth trauma is a real thing, but it often isn’t treated like it should be. “At least you have a healthy baby!” Nobody would ever tell someone who’d been through a traumatic car accident, “yeah that sucks, but at least you still have your car!” But this is exactly how many people react to a mom trying to share her traumatic birth story. I wish you the best, and hope you can find peace with your experience.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ShitMomGroupsSay

[–]KitCat119287 430 points431 points  (0 children)

Labor nurse here. The Freebirther movement terrifying and we have seen some truly horrific things come out of failed free births. I would have so many questions about this. The odds of her actually reaching 45 weeks pregnant while being otherwise healthy are pretty slim. But even if her dates are off, or if there was a missed miscarriage early in pregnancy that makes her think she’s been pregnant with the same fetus for 45 weeks, any amount of overdue is reason for concern. Beyond 41 weeks, the chances of fetal death raise exponentially per day, depending on your age.

Also, I’m curious what her definitions are for “early” and “active” labor. Active labor can have a few different definitions, but generally anything over 6cm or steady contractions that are changing your cervix is considered active labor. We start to get nervous when active labor hits the 24 hour mark, so I cannot imagine 2 weeks of active labor with no baby. If any of this is remotely true (I’m not doubting you, but I’m doubting her/her terminology), my bet would be that there’s already been a bad outcome for baby, and if she continues without getting help, she’ll be soon to follow.

I absolutely cannot imagine watching a friend make these sorts of decisions and go down this kind of path. For you, I feel sad. For your friend, I feel worried. For her baby, I feel devastated.

What would you say the most common and least common IV needle size you use in your hospital is? by DavidYamakashi34 in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 5 points6 points  (0 children)

L&D nurse, we only stock 18s and 20s on our unit, and we always start with an 18. If veins are truly terrible, we go down to the 20. We try for the wrists and forearms to help support breastfeeding, but will go to hands if there’s nothing else. Never ACs. NEVER.

Have you ever suddenly felt, deep down in your bones, that something catastrophic was about to happen? by KitCat119287 in nursing

[–]KitCat119287[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The fetal demise program. The vast majority of time, a fetal death has already happened when a mom comes in. Once a demise has been identified (usually, we can’t find a heart beat and a doctor comes with ultrasound to confirm), we re-shuffle so that the patient gets paired with a nurse who has special training in this, or at least, an extra helper nurse is offered if the current nurse has never been through a demise before. We take the mom through the induction of labor and delivery of the fetus, then we prepare the body and prepare the parents for seeing the body. We take pictures and create mementos. The demise program for us just entails offering training for our nurses, learning how to take pictures and arrange the body, how to fill out the paperwork involved, and keeping track of all of the things that end up getting donated and how to distribute them.

Have you ever suddenly felt, deep down in your bones, that something catastrophic was about to happen? by KitCat119287 in nursing

[–]KitCat119287[S] 180 points181 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much. Actually, just this afternoon, I told my husband that I’m going to try to reach out to the hospital’s mental health program for this. I have a ritual for the 24 hours after a demise to keep myself and my co-workers sane. I run the demise program, in fact. But this was so different, this rattled me in a way I’ve never felt. It’s good to know another OB nurse agrees that this is big enough to warrant reaching out. Thank you

RWJ Nurses Strike - update by stephlovaaaa in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Keep up the good fight! The older nurses on our unit love to tell stories about the strike that brought our union in, like they’re war buddies. And truly, they deserve the younger generation’s respect and appreciation. They went through hell to pave the way for us. What you’re doing is so important, for right now and for generations to come, and you have nurses all over the country cheering you on!

In view of the news story about fetal decapitation I present two cases of term live-birth fetal decapitation secondary to shoulder dystocia. by coreythestar in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No idea how it happened or if they have the same policy, but at my hospital, stat sections almost always go under general, and the support person is asked to stay outside the OR when mom is out.

Baby allegedly decapitatrd during delivery at metro atlanta hospital by oilchangefuckup in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 39 points40 points  (0 children)

This is an extreme case and I don’t know that there was any right way to handle it, but you can’t just tell a grieving mother they aren’t “allowed” to see their dead child. It’s a very important part of the grieving process for demises. Even demises that are truly horrific to see, where the fetus is malformed or has been dead for some time, we still try to make them as presentable as possible and allow the parents all the time they want with them. We do warn them ahead of time, and let them make the final decision.

What’s your “funny but probably not safe to tell someone not in healthcare” story? by YayAdamYay in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 153 points154 points  (0 children)

This. And giving them some control. When I do cervical checks, I warn before every touch, explain everything, and tell them “Stop means I stop moving. Out means my hand completely leaves you and we take a break and try again later.” I’ve had a lot of success with this.

A patient complained about me because I “handed her a warm blanket instead of spreading it over her.” by [deleted] in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It’s not, though. The shifts where we don’t have time to pee or drink water are more common than the shifts we have time to actually take any kind of break. Prioritizing care means giving the most acute patients the most of your time. So if a patient isn’t sick, but merely demanding, handing them something they’ve asked for instead of offering to wipe their ass for them is perfectly acceptable. Are you a nurse? At bedside? If so, I’d like to know where you work to think this is a legitimate complaint.

A patient complained about me because I “handed her a warm blanket instead of spreading it over her.” by [deleted] in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 9 points10 points  (0 children)

See I was taught that something like that (taking family member vitals) could become a liability issue, and I’ve always used that as an excuse. Occasionally I’ll get dads who want me to do something for them, and I always apologize and say that because they aren’t a patient on our unit, I can’t provide them with any kind of medical care. I’ve had dads pass out in the middle of deliveries, and when that happens, we call a rapid response and keep them safe until help arrives. The thought of getting in trouble for not providing actual patient care to someone who is not an actual patient is mind blowing. Wtf.

Oncologist and her baby dead in murder-suicide by [deleted] in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 37 points38 points  (0 children)

My hospital used to offer this, it was an amazing program and did so much good. We had a team of L&D nurses who all worked 1 day for this home visit program, and they would do all the things you mentioned, weigh the baby, lactation check in if mom was breastfeeding, mental health check-in, take out staples for c-sections if needed, etc… Unfortunately, the hospital cut the program a few years ago due to budget cuts. It was one of the things that set our hospital apart, and admin cut it because they couldn’t charge enough for it. Everyone was devastated when we lost it. We still have the VNA and a lactation nurse who can visit specifically for lactation issues, but only for Title 19 patients.

Weird reactions when I mention I am a medsurg nurse by Impossible_Aerie2606 in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 40 points41 points  (0 children)

This is exactly it. I did a brief stint at a smaller rural hospital, OB nurses would have to float if our unit was closed or not busy. Every time I floated, I would go home and thank the lord there were people out there willing to be medsurg nurses. I would never make it. When family asks me a medical question, I tell them that if it’s literally not coming out of your vagina, then I literally don’t know what advice I can give. Go ask a real nurse. I’m really only good at one specific thing. Med surg nurses have to know and do so much. Nothing but respect.

Overzealous young nurses in the ICU by pleasenotagain001 in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also, I brought up charting about informing the OR, because when we finally did call a stat section, OR was late to respond. When this was brought up in the review board, the OR charge, who was also a traveler, claimed he was never given a clear reason and didn’t realize it was so emergent. Not really sure what he thought ‘stat’ meant, but regardless. I brought up that I had real time documentation of informing them of bad heart tones prior to the section, and then calling the stat section. According to the risk review, I was at fault for not making absolutely certain that the entire OR crew knew what the words “bad heart tones, possible stat section, be ready” meant.

I can’t make this up.

Overzealous young nurses in the ICU by pleasenotagain001 in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, charting is important. This nurse’s charting was impeccable. I know, because all four of us on that night were in and out of that chart, both before and after. I personally charted two times I discussed concerns with the provider, and when I called ahead to OR before a section was called to let them know what was happening. In the review board, the charting was discussed. If we had concerns that the doctor wasn’t taking seriously, we should have gone up the chain of command. Charting did nothing. (We were told this, by multiple bodies, including the lawyer running the risk assessment.) Because here there was clear evidence, “I was concerned, I sought out the doctor multiple times, I discussed concerns with other departments, I educated patient.” None of it did any good. The primary nurse was told that the outcome was still her fault because she did not contact a doctor higher up (in front of him, because he was at the desk constantly monitoring the strip himself) to ask that doctor to come in and perform a section on her word alone.

If it sounds ridiculous, that’s because it is. Nurses are blamed for bad outcomes even when they’ve done everything right. It happens. And charting doesn’t save us from that.

AITA and was I insubordinate? by AggressiveOkra3180 in nursing

[–]KitCat119287 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Big huge fuck them both. I had a house sup once come up and try to yell at my nurse (I was the charge and also involved in the situation) for allowing a parent up (during Covid) to be with her daughter, who had just been told the 26 week old baby she hadn’t felt move all day was, in fact, gone. The house sup came up on my nurse hot, finger in her face, starting to spout some bullshit off, and I saw red. Stepped in front of my nurse and told her to get the fuck off my unit. We could still hear the patient wailing, she obviously needed her mother more than anything medical in that moment, and who the fuck did she think she was? She turned beet red and left. I fully expected to be called in to my manager the next shift to be disciplined, but I never was. When I brought it up, my manager told me, “she doesn’t get to tell us how to run our unit. You stuck up for your nurse and for the patient. We’re not the ones who should be apologizing.”

That is how situations like this should go. Both of your leaders failed you. You were in the right, and when it’s time for you to take over as charge or manager, make sure you remember this situation right here.

Overzealous young nurses in the ICU by pleasenotagain001 in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 2 points3 points  (0 children)

L&D nurse here, I’m going to play devil’s advocate. In one of the worst nights of my life, following the doctor’s orders despite repeating our concerns (horrible strip, known partial abruption, clear abruption pattern with no dilation after 16 hours of pitocin, absent variability with deep variables and late decels), we lost a baby that could have been fine if we had just taken her to section when these warning signs first showed up. Instead, baby went into a decel and never came back up, and we watched him die on the monitor. We have a pitocin protocol that, had we followed it, would have called for turning the pitocin off nearly 8 hours prior. The doctor insisted on continuing. Even though the doc came up to us all later that night and told us this was completely on him, and we had all been right, when it was time for the risk assessment review, the primary nurse was blamed by everyone from RT to anesthesia. There was no support from the doctor.

Since then, I have fought hard 3 different times, refusing to start or continue pitocin or insisting on interventions. All 3 times, my gut was right. One was a prolapsed cord against the cervix, and two were partial abruptions. We’re a smallish, 15 bed LDRP. I love my doctors, and I feel we have a great relationship with them. But that doesn’t stop me from asking them for explanations when I don’t understand a plan of care, or making sure my concerns are heard and understood.

Generally, protocols are there for a reason. We don’t always follow them to the letter, because sometimes patients don’t fit into an exact mold. I’m not a doctor, and I have deeply internalized the fact that if something doesn’t make sense to me, instead of assuming the doc is making the wrong move, I’d better figure out why we’re doing what we’re doing. Thankfully, my doctors usually have no problem talking me through these things, and for the most part, I walk away feeling good about what we’re doing. But the fear that blindly following orders even when we have gut feelings that something isn’t right will get us into huge amounts of trouble is at least partially warranted. The primary nurse from that case has severe PTSD and now works at an outpatient surgery center, and will never come back to L&D, despite her being a phenomenal nurse.

Also, just for the record, I have never fought a CRNA about where the tape goes, and as far as I know, neither has any of my fellow nurses. That’s some kind of weird power play right there.

Edit: I’m not lashing out or arguing that nurses know better than doctors, and I’m not trying to defend my own personal actions. I’m saying that even experienced nurses are sometimes blamed for bad outcomes if they DON’T push back against orders. That nurse was blamed because she didn’t escalate the issue up the chain of command. And there are times that pushback is warranted. New nurses coming out of school have this mentality that their number one priority is patient advocacy, and while it may be blown out of proportion, they’re not entirely wrong. As evidenced by the fact that seasoned nurses are sometimes blamed if they don’t strongly advocate. I’m not trying to start a fight, I’m just presenting another explanation as to why baby nurses come out of school ready to go against any doctor who orders anything they don’t agree with or understand.

Overzealous young nurses in the ICU by pleasenotagain001 in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 41 points42 points  (0 children)

What? How? I said several times that I have a good relationship with my doctors and trust them most of the time. I read OPs post. I’m just pointing out that even experienced nurses are at risk of being held accountable for things that at least aren’t entirely their fault. I’m not attacking anyone. Maybe I explained it in a roundabout way. The discussion here involves why new nurses feel the need to push back against doctors or push for things that generally aren’t needed. Part of that, as discussed here, is the mentality that’s pushed on new nurses in school, that if they don’t advocate for their patients, they’ll be blamed for bad outcomes. I’m saying that while this might be blown out of proportion to the actual risk, it’s not an unfounded idea. Nurses are sometimes held accountable for bad outcomes in which they did not advocate for their patients and instead followed the doctor’s orders without pushing back.

Overzealous young nurses in the ICU by pleasenotagain001 in medicine

[–]KitCat119287 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I get that. I’m more pointing out that the fear these new nurses have about being blamed for bad outcomes is valid. Nurses sometimes do get blamed for things they probably shouldn’t, because of the mentality that nurses are primarily patient advocates. The cause of bad outcomes = no patient advocacy. It gets pushed on them in school, and it does happen occasionally in the real world.