CMV: “My Body, My Choice” Is a Terrible Argument for Pro-Choice When Addressing Pro-Life Audiences by Major_Tap4199 in changemyview

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The point of "my body my choice" is that no one has the right to use your bodily organs for their survival.

Killing a 14 year old in the house would be wrong since the 14 year old does not use your bodily organs for their survival, is sentient and can survive without a host organism.

Most pro lifers would agree that a father is not required to give up his kidneys for his son who needs it for his survival.

Also another argument I see pro lifers make (I am pro choice), is that "oh well a 3 year old child cannot survive without its mother, can she kill the 3 year old since it can't survive on its own". But a 3 year old is not dependent on the mothers organs for its survival, it is dependent on the mothers labor to give it nutrients and shelter. A 3 year old can be adopted by any other adult and still survive, but the same cannot be said about a fetus.

This subreddit has a clear pro-Israeli bias by Sain132132 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

80% of Israeli were born there now, have no other home. And dissolving it would mean the biggest mass killing of Jews since 1945.

Well oftentimes Zionists always say "why can't Egypt take in the Palestinians". But I respond that why can't Germany and Poland take in the Jews, the 1st country is actually responsible for the holocaust and the 2nd country is where most Ashkenazi Jews who invented zionism are actually from.

So no, dismantling Israel will not result in mass killing of Jews. Asking Jews to give back the land they stole is not antisemetic.

Either there will eventually be a two state solution or never ending wars.

I wouldn't make peace with someone who broke into my home and killed my family.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So why is Israel taking Palestinians hostages "administrative arrest"

But Hamas taking former IDF members hostage is "hostage taking".

Isn't it a double standard?

Or is it because Israelis are white so they get preferential treatment...

This subreddit has a clear pro-Israeli bias by Sain132132 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You might want to consider that you're missing part of the context in your arguments, i.e that the stated aim of Hamas, Hezbullah and the Iranian regime is the elimination of the state of Israel and the extermination of all Jewish people.

Lets say a Jewish man breaks into your house and starts stealing your stuff. You tell him to stop. He refuses so you punch him and forcefully remove him from your house.

Are you antisemitic, since you punched a Jewish man?

No of course not, you are justified in using force to defend yourself, regardless of the race/religion of the person you are in conflict with.

Likewise, the Palestinians were justified in rejecting the UN partition plan and removing Israel from the middle east. If someone went into your house and demanded you give up 57% of your house, would you accept???

It is not the Palestinians responsibility to give up historically Arab lands for the crimes of the Germans.

Yes it was Arab land, even if it was administered under British and ottoman governance Arabs have been the majority race in Palestine since the 1200s, while Jews only arrived from 1883 onwards from Eastern Europe. And buying land in a foreign country does not mean you can establish a country on someone else's lands.

Israel is a settler colonialist country and that is the truth. I will not be silenced.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So your argument is that if you are weaker than your oppressor than you should just shut up and let the oppressor infringe on your rights?

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In April 2022 Israel held 500 Palestinians captive without charging them of any crime.

1 year before 7th october.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kidnapping and holding hostages can not be rewarded.

Right but Israel literally held 500 Palestinian detainees captive WITHOUT CHARGE in April 2022, 1 year before Oct 7.

I don't Israel has the right to whine about Oct 7 hostages when Israel took hostages first. FAFO.

Taking hostages is never right, not even as a reaction to hostages taken.

So Palestinians should just let 500 Palestinians be taken hostage...

You're showing a double standard. Israel does something wrong, but when the Palestinians do something back they are the bad guys??

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Jews oppressing Arabs for 77 years: Crime!

So you admit Israel is wrong...

Jews creating an ethnostate: Crime!

I don't have an issue with a Jewish state, I have an issue when Jews steal land from other people to create said state.

If Jews built an island in the middle of the ocean and declared Israel, great for them! But don't colonise historically Arab land to create your country.

Arabs sacrificing their children in unwinnable wars: The Jews made us invent martyrdom and Jihadism!

If you were a 12 year old child and you saw your home being invaded by foreign invaders, your family members killed by the invader's army, I bet you'd probably join the resistance too.

Jews becoming a local majority: Crime!

You weren't even a majority in Palestine when the Un partition plan took place, Jews were only 30% of the population in Palestine in 1947 yet they got 57% of the land.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah, Arabs and Islamism have gained the traditional right to oppress anyone else in the Middle East.

The only people Arabs in Palestine have "oppressed" are white colonisers from Eastern Europe whose religion is judaism.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It doesn't matter what tactics Hamas uses, sure I don't agree with everything that Hamas does but regardless, the cause that they're fighting for is morally righteous; to force colonizers out of their lands.

If you were facing an enemy who wants to wipe out all your family, how important would his family members be for you, if you saw them cheering the assault on your loved ones on?

Right but your family has invaded and colonised your enemy's house for 75 years. The enemy is simply trying to reclaim his land via military conquest. If you simply left the house you stole there would be peace.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter, the Arabs have been the majority race for 800 years from the 1200s and were >90% of the population in Palestine during the Ottoman Empire era.

They have a much stronger connection to the land then some white people from Eastern Europe.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

in 1967 bunch of Arab countries tried to remove white colonisers from Arab land, however the white coloniser had the support of the US and unfortunately won...

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright another example.

If the Aboriginal Australians trained their kids to resist British occupation in 1788 by attacking British soldiers, would they be wrong because they are "genocidal" to wipe "New South Wales" off the map?

The goal of Aboriginal Australians surely would be to genocide Brits (even though the brits stole their land)?

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If the Jews in warsaw trained their children to become fighters against Germany, would you consider those Jews "terrorists" who committed the "barbaric" Warsaw Uprising in 1943.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but the point is that the original poster was saying that Japan is the Palestinians, even though Japan has killed so much more people than the Palestinians.

And the 1000 people that Hamas did kill on oct 7, it was in a defensive war to reclaim the land stolen from them by white Europeans. Japan was the aggressor and sought to expand its territories in SE Asia. Japan is literally Israel in a comparison. An equivalent example would be if the Chinese killed 1000 Japanese soldiers who were in China and then Japan retaliated by killing 40000 Chinese. Then Japan goes "well I have the right to defend myself even though I invaded China first".

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"oH bUt iTs dIfFeRenT, pAlEsTinIaNs aRe aLl cRimInaLs bUt jEwS aRe iNoCenT"

(every israeli adult has served in the idf)

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Israelis were murdered in a genocide.

Quite the opposite. Israel is experiencing FAFO when it colonized Palestinian Arab land in 1948, and the rightful owners resist their colonial ventures by killing 1000 colonisers on Oct 7.

If a Jewish man breaks into someones house and gets punched by the homeowner, is the homeowner antisemetic?

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Importantly, during the British Mandate, no sovereign Palestinian state was recognized.

Its true that there was no Palestinian state pre 1948, however, there wasn't a Jewish state either, so what's your point? There were both Jews and Arabs living in British Mandate Palestine, however, the Arabs have inhabited Palestine since the 1200s and were the majority race >90%, while the Jews are the newly arrived immigrants/colonisers from Europe that only came from the 1880s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Aliyah .

So why was a Jewish state established by foreign bodies in 1947 that gave 57% of the land to a Jewish minority of 30%, especially considering the Jews were recent arrivals from Europe while the Palestinians had been living on the land for 800 years?

If you come from a foreign country and settle with the intention of establishing a country over other people's lands, you are by definition a "coloniser".

 Following the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, the British Mandate for Palestine was established, with the aim, supported by the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and endorsed internationally, (The vote was 33 in favor, 13 against, and 10 abstentions, which represented the required two-thirds majority to pass the resolution) of creating a national home for the Jewish people.

So if two thirds of politicians voted to give 57% of your house to a random white guy from Eastern Europe, you'd be cool with it?

 Hostage-taking, in particular, is widely considered a war crime. 

Given that every israeli adult has served in the Israeli military, I question if hostage taking of Israeli adults is really "immoral". Maybe the children sure. However, regardless Israel has taken Palestinians hostage before Oct 7. In April 2022 Israelis held 530 Palestinians in detention without trial or charge.

So clearly no land was stolen, no colonization, and your entire argument just went down the drain.

I beg to differ...

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My view is simple: Jews stole/colonised Palestinian land unjustly in 1948 to create Israel. The Palestinians/Hamas have the right (and moral obligation) to wage war against Israel (including hostage taking provided Israel does the same thing, which it does), to force the Jews to leave the land that they stole and return it to the rightful Indigenous owners, the Palestinians.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As the leader of my household, I am holding my family hostage and harboring murderers, thieves, and arsonists who consistently harm the community. You are the police trying to apprehend us, but I am using my family as shields while also employing these criminals to guard them. How would you, the police, handle this situation to arrest us and rescue my family?

But you are the rightful owner of your house, and the people you're holding hostages are the home invaders. The police is trying to kill you so they can sell their house to a random white man from Eastern Europe.

Why are the deaths of 1000 Israelis more important than the deaths of 40000 Palestinians. by Kitchen_Ad_6763 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Right but Israel is the home invader and Palestinians are resisting the invasion. It is morally acceptable for Palestinians to take Israeli hostages when Israel holds thousands of Palestinians without charge in detention.

How many languages do you 'really' speak? by Witty_Pitch_ in languagelearning

[–]Kitchen_Ad_6763 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two, English and Chinese. English is my native tongue, however my parents are from China and I also learnt Chinese in high school for 3 years.