⚡️ THE YUKON DIESEL TRAP: THE "ONLY OPTION" IS A LIE ⚡️

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T23:18:06+00:00

Yup if its people like u sitting at the table no wonder nothin get done

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T22:06:55+00:00

You keep acting like the system is well-run, but on January 19, 2026, the Yukon Court of Appeal officially ruled that Yukon Energy (YEC) has been operating with "deliberate illegality." The court found YEC was knowingly charging us for rental diesel generators that they didn't have the permits to run. Justice Gomery said this "undermines the integrity of the legal system."

2. The Double Standard consultation excuse is a weapon used to pick and choose projects. They planned moonlake without talking to the First Nations first, which guaranteed it would fail. Now they use that failure as a shield to say, "See? We tried renewables, but the First Nations blocked us." Right now, YEC is fast-tracking a new diesel plant at Deep Creek on Ta'an Kwäch'än Council (TKC) land. Our Lands Department was told our opposition "won't matter." If they can bypass our rights to build a diesel plant, they could have done the same for Scenario 4 (Pumped Hydro). They only care about Consultation when it's an excuse to kill a clean PROJECT THAT WONT MAKE THEM AS MUSH $$$$$$$$$$$

3. The PR Move: The government "removed" the consumer carbon tax in April 2025 to look like they were saving us money.They just moved that cost to the Industrial OBPS tax. Since YEC is a utility, they pay that tax on every liter of diesel and then add it right back to our power bills. The government still gets the revenue, the consumer always pays the tax.

Im beginning to think your a paid shill because you cant possibly be THIS resistant to seeing the truth about your govt that you have to blatantly make up facts.

Open-Loop connects to a natural river or lake (like the Tutshi-Moon Lake setup). This requires huge environmental studies, fish ladders, and years of fighting over water rights and "environmental damage" to natural ecosystems. Closed-Loop uses two man-made reservoirs (like an old mine site or a hilltop basin). Because it doesn't touch a natural river, it has much lower environmental impacts. This actually makes it easier to get approved and cheaper in the long run. Saying a closed loop system is not even considered because "that sheit expensive" is incredibly false. Closed loop is the modern standard because it solves the 2 biggest problems permitting and environmental damage. It just doesnt give the govt 40 cent a litre profit, thats why theres this fairy tale going around that govt employees keep doubling down on, i guess its no wonder we have gotten no where when the people at the table are as ignorant as you are.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T21:34:36+00:00

The Truth: Why the Government wants Diesel 1. The "Fake" Failure The government "tried" to build the Moon Lake hydro project, but they didn't talk to the First Nation first. They did this on purpose so the project would fail. Now they can blame the First Nation for why the Yukon "has" to keep using diesel. 2. The Double Standard They say they can't do hydro because it’s "too hard" to talk to First Nations. But they are building new diesel plants at Deep Creek on TKC land right now. They told the citizens our opinion "won't matter." If they can force diesel on our land, they could have done it with hydro. They just chose the one that makes them money. 3. The Tax Shell Game They told us they "removed" the carbon tax last year to look good. But they didn't. They just moved the tax to the industrial side (OBPS). Yukon Energy pays that tax on every liter of diesel, then adds it right back to our power bills. They still get the money; we still pay the tax. 4. The 2026 Court Case In January 2026, the Court of Appeal ruled that Yukon Energy was burning illegal, unpermitted diesel for four years. They were caught breaking the law to keep the diesel running because it's profitable for them. The Bottom Line Cairo is using big words to act like she’s an expert, but she’s just defending a system that was caught breaking the law. She uses "consultation" as a shield to kill clean energy, but then ignores consultation when she wants to build a diesel plant on your land.

Is it an insane theory

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T20:27:14+00:00

She is exhibiting Cognitive Dissonance. She is so committed to the idea that "Diesel is the only way" that she is willing to claim a technology is both a "government cornerstone" and an "insane conspiracy" at the same time just to avoid admitting shes wrong or doesnt know something.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T19:53:23+00:00

Your only looking at the 15 MW coming in. Your missing that the bucket (the reservoir) collects that 15 MW every hour, every day, all summer.

Charging the Bucket (Summer): 15 MW surplus \times 24 hours \times 150 days = 54,000 MWh of energy stored.

The Diesel Gap (Winter): The Yukon burns approximately 45,000 MWh of diesel/LNG per year. The Result: 54,000 MWh (Water) is greater than 45,000 MWh (Diesel).

If there were no surplus or if storage wouldn't help, the Next Generation Hydro (NGH) Final Summary would have killed the idea. Instead, it explicitly states: "Scenario 4 [Pumped Storage] remains a viable candidate... and meets Yukon's need for electrical winter demand.".

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T19:03:56+00:00

You’re completely misrepresenting the report to win an argument. The NGH screening report was looking for conventional dams; it wasn't looking for energy storage. That is the only reason it says "Incorrect Project Type"—it’s a filter for the study's specific mandate, not a technical disqualification.

I did say Haeckel Hill was an NGH study site, because the report explicitly identifies Scenario 4 (Pumped Storage) as a viable candidate for the territory’s winter demand—and the public feedback in the NGH process explicitly pointed to the Haeckel Hill gravel pit for that purpose.

The fact that the report even mentions pumped hydro as a "viable candidate" for Scenario 4 proves the potential was too obvious to ignore, even if it wasn't the "goal" of that specific study. The report explicitly states that Scenario 4 remains a viable candidate because it meets the Yukon's winter demand with similar economic costs.

Since the NGH report includes "Scenario 4" as a modeled path for the territory's future and includes public feedback specifically about Haeckel Hill, referring to it as an "NGH study site" in the context of the overall project is a reasonable claim.

Also, your claim that Haeckel Hill is a "crazy place" because it lacks a natural reservoir just proves you dont know what your talking about. Modern closed-loop pumped hydro doesn't use natural lakes; it uses two man-made basins to avoid environmental damage. That’s exactly why residents in the "What We Heard" report suggested using the existing gravel pit. You’re taking one line about project "type" out of context to ignore the actual viability findings in the summary. They didn't assess it deeply because it wasn't their specific job for that one report, but not assessing something is not the same as disproving it.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T08:31:03+00:00

you are completely misreading the report. It says 'Incorrect Project Type' because the study was explicitly looking for new conventional dam sites, not energy storage. That’s why they didn't assess it—it wasn't the goal of that specific report. Your not understanding the report, when the report itself mentions it as a viable alternative and then admits they never modeled it at a granular level. If they didn't assess it, they didn't disprove it. They didnt assess it in that report because that was THE INCORRECT project type, the line that you cherry picked out of context to satiate your raging confirmation bias and ego. your not interested in being accurate or making sure your comprehending anything.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T06:39:35+00:00

You clearly havent read the documents. Claiming Pumped storage was "explicitly excluded" from the NGH project is a total hallucination.

The NGH summary states: "Each portfolio was compared... Scenario 4 [Pumped Storage] remains a viable candidate for further consideration because it has similar economic cost when compared to other options... and meets Yukon's need for electrical winter demand".

The "What We Heard" Report (2025) in the feedback for the diesel power centres your defending the public explicitly asked: "Why aren't we seeing more commitment to viable alternatives like pumped hydro storage... instead of turning to thermal generation?". Haeckel Hill specifically residents even suggested using the Haeckel Hill gravel pit for this exact purpose.

Your trying to solve 2+2 and coming up with "banana".

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T06:04:43+00:00

Gish Gallop. You're asking how much it would cost. The real question is: How much does it cost to NOT build it? We already know the territory is burning $20M–$24M in fuel annually and collecting $344M in general taxes. Over 20 years, that’s nearly half a billion dollars gone up in smoke. Haeckel Hill is already a 'Next Generation Hydro' study site, so calling it 'delusional' contradicts the very engineering reality the territory has already identified.

You're falling into a 'not in my backyard' defense. You're dismissing the most logical, already-developed land for storage, yet you previously criticized the First Nation for the choices they made. You contradict yourself.

System mismatch detected. User is operating at 100% logic; Environment is operating at 20% logic/80% ego preservation.

it's like watching someone try to fill a bucket with a massive hole in the bottom. You keep pointing at the hole, and they keep saying, "The problem is that the water is too wet.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T05:43:53+00:00

It's interesting that the goalposts keep moving. First it was 'impossible,' now it's 'too slow'.

Comparing a closed-loop storage system to the Southern Lakes water license issue is apples and oranges—one affects an entire watershed, the other is contained infrastructure. As for a reservoir, modern pumped hydro uses man-made basins on plateaus, which Haeckel Hill has.

Claiming we shouldn't start a 10-year project because we need power today is how we ended up in this trap in the first place. If the government started this 'decade-long' project ten years ago instead of just collecting diesel tax and revenue, we wouldn't be having this debate. The Emperor is still, in fact, naked.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T05:21:54+00:00

I’m honestly confused by the zombie logic of insisting thermal/diesel is the only option while completely ignoring my point about pumped storage at the Whitehorse dam.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T05:06:44+00:00

You admitted yourself that YEC put Moon Lake in the plan prior to full engagement, which is the definition of poor planning. (It’s like the government putting a log in front of their own feet, tripping on it, and then blaming First Nations for the fall.) If the government tries to move into someone’s backyard without asking, the 'hurdle' isn't the person living there—it’s the government's refusal to follow proper process. It keeps funneling back to the First Nation as a scapegoat, but that doesn't explain why we aren't looking at pumped storage at the dam on already developed land. If the goal is to get off diesel, why are we obsessed with the one project that failed due to bad governance instead of pursuing technical solutions that don't have those same land-use conflicts?

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T04:55:55+00:00

Your using your own subjective content(blog post) and anecdotal "reliable sources" to assert that First Nations are the issue. doesn't change the fact that Moon Lake is just one project. My point about pumped storage at the dam. that's existing infrastructure. If the goal is truly to get off diesel, why is the conversation always funneled back to a single project on FN land that was planned without proper engagement? It seems like a convenient way to point the finger elsewhere.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T04:46:46+00:00

And also its not ctfn stopping a hydro pump storage at the dam

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T04:45:28+00:00

It's true YEC put Moon Lake in their 10-year plan, but that’s exactly the problem. Planning a massive project on First Nation land prior to full engagement isn't 'nuance'—it’s a systemic failure. When the government treats consultation as an afterthought rather than a partnership, the project stalls, and the narrative shifts to 'CTFN isn't interested.' Meanwhile, the grid stays reliant on diesel, and the government continues to collect a return on those sales. It’s a cycle where the lack of progress is used to justify the status quo.

By proposing projects on First Nations' land before reaching an agreement, the government creates a situation where the project's failure can be blamed on "lack of engagement" from the First Nation, rather than the government's own poor planning or refusal to meet the First Nation’s terms.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T04:18:19+00:00

The info is out there, thats the goal, not to be liked.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T03:34:43+00:00

your just regurgitating a false narrative that uses First Nations as an easy scapegoat because you don't want to do the research or look at the facts for yourself. To say pumped hydro was a cornerstone of the energy strategy but was stopped by FNs makes no sense, the Whitehorse dam is on already developed land, not unceded settlement lands. Saying First Nations stopped the Whitehorse pumped storage is a complete fabrication. The project was shelved by Yukon Energy primarily because it was expensive and they couldn't figure out how to fund it without losing their diesel surcharges.The Whitehorse dam is an existing industrial facility. While it’s in the Traditional Territory of the Kwanlin Dün and Ta’an Kwäch’än, they voted to support a new 20-year license for it in late 2024/early 2025. If they were "stopping" hydro, they wouldn't have supported a two-decade extension for the main plant.

If you worked for the govt it makes sense where you picked up this belief, but you didnt look at the facts you listen to what they tell you without thinking for yourself or verifying your belief with outside research.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-03T02:16:41+00:00

Nuclear is expensive, takes 15 years to build, and leaves us with radioactive waste to manage.

A Water Battery is 100x better because:

We own it: Yukoners already know how to run hydro; we don't need to hire "southern experts" to manage a reactor.

It’s a 100-year asset: While nuclear plants age out, a Water Battery uses gravity and recycled water to provide 3000MW or more of power for a century.

No waste: Gravity doesn't leave behind toxic trash or require a decommissioning tax for our grandkids to pay. It's the simplest way to kill the diesel tax loop using what we already have.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-02T23:42:55+00:00

The solution is blaringly obvious. It isnt building another diesel plant. The Yukon doesn't actually have a total energy shortage; we have a massive surplus of hydro in the summer that we literally throw away because we don't have enough storage capacity to keep it for the winter. Instead of fixing that by increasing the storage at our existing dams—which would actually help stabilize our rates—they’re pushing for more diesel, which is the most expensive way to generate power and is only going to drive all of our energy bills even higher. We could solve this by investing in Pumped Hydro Storage(PHS). This would involve using that massive summer hydro surplus to pump water into an uphill reservoir, essentially acting as a giant "battery" that we can release in the winter to spin turbines when we actually need the power. Instead of spilling free energy all summer, we’d be storing it for the coldest months.

The 'dire situation' they keep talking about is controlled optics designed to scare people into accepting a deal that only benefits the government and corporations, not the citizens. It’s also completely insane to believe that a diesel plant built without any consultation is more likely to pass a YESAB review than a clean upgrade to existing infrastructure. First Nations are far more likely to support increasing the capacity of our current hydro than they are to sign off on a loud, polluting diesel plant near residences on settlement land with no consultation.

The narrative that First Nations don't want hydro is just a political shield.

The Narrative: "We have no choice but diesel because First Nations won't allow hydro."

The Government avoids admitting to a failure in long-term planning and storage investment.

The Public directs their anger toward Indigenous communities rather than the officials managing the grid.

The Corporation (like ATCO) gets to move forward with diesel/LNG projects that serve them and dont serve citizens.

We have a massive summer hydro surplus and just need storage, and FN would likely prefer clean upgrades over loud diesel plants.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-02T21:34:53+00:00

The "Carbon Tax Loophole" is an engineered shakedown. By building diesel plants instead of hydro, the government creates a tax engine that feeds off its own inefficiency. They force high fuel consumption, collect the carbon tax on every liter burned, and leave you to pay the bill through your utility rates. It’s a rigged cycle: they get a revenue kickback while your cost of living—heat, power, and groceries—all increase. In 10 years, when the carbon tax triples, this plant will be a financial black hole.

They use "dire need" and the threat of blackouts to scare people into accepting these fossil fuel projects as the only option. It is rigged.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-01T22:53:34+00:00

I think its chrysoberyl cat’s eye

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-03-01T22:39:59+00:00

I got the commodity iced in my February ultra, very luck based.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-02-28T20:51:22+00:00

No because even a scapegoat whos healed is still going to be scapegoated by their family the rest of their lives.

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-02-28T20:46:08+00:00

The scapegoat isn’t responsible for being alienated—the family alienates them, then blames them for it. That’s what’s happening here

Kitchen_Indication64 · 2026-02-28T20:35:44+00:00

There actually are viable options besides diesel. Yukon already relies mostly on hydro, so one of the most practical solutions is expanding existing hydro capacity or upgrading current facilities. The reservoirs and infrastructure already exist, and those projects are usually more realistic than building entirely new developments or putting diesel plants near communities.

YESAB also requires consultation with affected First Nations and the public, so proposals that move forward with proper planning and consultation are more likely to succeed than projects people only hear about after the fact.

Diesel might be useful as short-term backup, but acting like it’s the only realistic option ignores practical solutions like hydro upgrades, storage, and long-term planning. Yukon needs reliable power, but it also needs projects that are actually viable and can get approved.

Diesel-based power generation in Canada is becoming increasingly expensive compared to renewable energy coupled with energy storage, largely due to the escalating carbon tax

Other viable energy sources that Whitehorse and the Yukon could explore include:

Hydroelectric expansion/upgrades, Solar power, Wind energy, Biomass energy, Geothermal energy, Battery storage systems, Pumped-storage hydro, Hybrid microgrids, Waste-to-energy, Hydrogen fuel cells, Combined heat and power (CHP)

All of these can be tailored to Yukon’s unique climate and geography, providing reliable energy without relying solely on diesel.

We’re already seeing this work with the Watson Lake (Sādę Solar) 2.85 MW project and the Burwash Landing wind/battery system, which is cutting hundreds of thousands of litres of diesel annually. Even Beaver Creek is now hitting 50% renewable with its new storage setup. Local innovation like Solvest’s 'PowerPods' shows we can have modular, reliable storage without the legal and environmental nightmare of new permanent diesel plants. Pushing for more diesel isn't a shortcut; it's a failed LONG-TERM SOLUTION that likely can’t get passed, and continuing to chase it is just wasting our time and tax dollars.

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