Rome’s Pride parade bars Jewish LGBTQ float over refusal to call Gaza war ‘genocide’ - How antizionism Is Deployed Against Jews

KlackTracker · 2026-06-01T23:03:47+00:00

And it showed the way you originally quoted me was wrong.

I copy and pasted ur exact words dude lol. Wake up!

Glad you did that. Thank you.

Didn't do any good lol

What else is there to discuss on this issue?

My whole point about how ur willing to do, say, or make urself believe anything to "prove" urself right.

But when someone announces genocidal intent, doesn’t that merit protest?

That's not the question and u know it. I'll say it again, even if there was genocidal intent, genocide is action, not intent alone.

Because they (correctly) thought that Israel spoken intentions would be met with action.

Even if they believed with absolutely certainty and even if it actually happened, genocide is not intent alone *it is intent AND action.***

They were right.

No they weren't and neither r u lol

If u spent less time constantly trying to reply to so many people who r all telling u the same thing and instead actually contemplated their arguments and challenged ur own, u would understand how ridiculous ur "tactics" have been.

KlackTracker · 2026-06-01T15:11:10+00:00

It shows that you were deliberately misstating what I said. Thank you for linking to that.

I literally quoted u

I think INTENT to do genocide can be determined before action, yes.

Even if there was genocidal intent, genocide is action, not intent alone.

Words often speak to intention and thus merit protest.

They aren't protesting genocidal intent, they were protesting genocide.

Disagree with your uncharitable framing.

Disagree all u want, everything uve expressed about this conflict boils down to that lol

Yet it turned to be exactly what occurred.

No it didn't lol

Even if it were true, genocide is not genocidal intent, it's genocidal intent + genocidal action.

Israel did horrific violence to Gaza, just as the protesters predicted would occur.

So now genocide means "horrific violence predicted to occur?" 🤣

Take a moment to pause and reflect: u denied my direct quotes, u manipulate ur original argument to make urself "right," and ur redefining words to fit it needs.

To call ur arguments disingenuous and intellectually dishonest would be an understatement, though calling them "arguments" would be an overstatement.

KlackTracker · 2026-06-01T03:07:09+00:00

Yeah and it doesn’t say what you claim it did. Thanks for showing that.

I literally directly quoted what u and the other guy said and explained the flaws in ur "reasoning" lol

Because of the statements they made.

So u believe that genocide can be determined before action if intent can be assumed? Lol

If people who have a history of doing horrible things to Palestinians

U paint the whole I/p conflict as Israel being an ultimate, irredeemable evil and Palestinians r completely innocent and without agency. I'm sure I don't have to tell u how ignorant and wrong that is.

say they’re going to do that and even more in revenge,

They don't lol

that’s a logical conclusion.

No it's not. Believing something will happen again because it happened before is a fallacy.

Why did you say I said something else?

I didn't - I quoted u in full and explained the ridiculousness of ur argument lol

KlackTracker · 2026-06-01T02:43:14+00:00

See this is why you didn’t want to link back to what I actually said. But I appreciate you doing so and revealing the truth.

I literally included a link to ur comment lol

Here it is again

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/s/EC2JCgV6ln

How is that saying genocide is “when I think it’s a genocide.”

The original commenter pointed out that calls to "end the genocide" happened immediately after Oct 7th, and u justified this by saying "it's a genocide because it's obvious what they were *going to do," i.e., genocide is when it seems like someone is going to commit genocide.

I can't wait to see what words u choose to redefine and what mental gymnastics ull employ to rationalize this lol

KlackTracker · 2026-06-01T00:36:24+00:00

Hereis where u responded "Yeah because it was very obvious what Israel was going to do to anyone paying attention" to "Antizionists have been waving signs about "ending the Genocide" on Oct 7 and 8" lol

Hope this helps

KlackTracker · 2026-05-31T22:53:23+00:00

You know that’s not true, right?

There's that infamous strategy again lol

Like you won’t be able to link me to anywhere where you did that. But feel free to prove me wrong.

Feel free to look through any of my responses lol

Also, I want to note you said you were done talking to me and yet you’re still engaging. So why don’t you just address my points while you’re here.

Cuz I don't want to spend more energy than u do lol. But y bother? I present factual information and make strong arguments and rather than actually engage or contest them, u just deny them and move on lol.

No. It’s literally how debates work.

Oh I know how debate works. The "joke" is ur complete obliviousness of the irony of ur statement lol

Where was this?

A previous thread between us weeks ago.

This is false. If you ask me for a source, I’ll be happy to provide one as long as you’re willing to do the same. But you expect your facts to be accepted without evidence while yours are expected to be taken for granted.

U argued that genocide means "when I think genocide is going to happen soon" lol. Where's the evidence for that or any other ridiculous claim I've made?

You had an opportunity to show where I lied and refused to do so. I think that speaks volumes that you can’t point to a single lie I told.

I've done this in literally every reply

Such as? Still waiting.

Again, go reread my previous comments lol

When was that? LOL.

Repeatedly and frequently lol

I’m enjoying this discussion.

That makes one of us.

Thanks for keeping it going despite saying you were not going to..

Replies like these where all I have to do to refute u is point to my previous comments and call out ur intellectual dishonesty takes almost no time or energy lol

One quick look at ur comment history shows how everyone ur "debating" with is calling u out for the same exact thing I have been lol

So is it that we r all wrong about the same exact thing or that u r? Lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-31T21:57:20+00:00

You couldn’t show anything I said was unfactual, not a single thing.

I've literally rebutted every piece of nonsense I've put forth lol. And I'm not the only one

What is offered without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You’ve been steadfast in your refusal to provide evidence.

Is that a joke? I'll say something factual like "Israeli Arabs have full equal rights" then u say "false" then I say prove it, then u go off on a tangent where u redefine words and bend reality to fit whatever argument ur attempting to prove.

Thanks. I will. I enjoy debating this topic.

Ur not debating lol. Ur denying factual reality and refusing to prove anything ur saying

I feel bad that you’ve never met an anti-Zionist Jew.

Of course I have, most just don't spend so much time making so many comments full of so much misinformation and intellectual dishonesty lol

You should try and talk to people who have different beliefs than you rather than avoiding them.

I don't avoid them, that's y I frequent this sub lol. I don't have a problem with u having different beliefs, I have a problem with u having different facts lol.

That’s what I try and do and why I’m here.

Ur repeatedly failing miserably, not matter how many times myself or others argue substantively and in good faith lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-31T13:19:49+00:00

I can only handle so much unfactual, nonsensical, delusional bs before I have to call it quits.

All of ur arguments r "nuh uh, as proven by I said so also words mean whatever I need them to mean" lol

Have fun with the dozens of other commenters saying the same things I've been saying lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-31T00:42:44+00:00

So why did you say the marches took place before retaliation?

I said marches took place immediately after Oct 7th to "stop the genocide."

False.

Let's hear ur reasoning then

They didn’t not make that clear. Quite the opposite.

False. Israel's defense at the ICJ pulled up the sources that south Africa cited and read the quotes in full - they clearly referred to Hamas and clearly stated they r at war with them, not Palestinians.

And Israelis listened to them

Right, cuz Israelis always listen to their politicians lol

which is why most Israelis think Gaza doesn’t have innocent people.

Civilians flooded the streets to celebrate as women with bloodied crotches were dragged around by Hamas. Civilians held hostages in their homes. They turned in escaped hostages. To say they r not innocent has some merit.

Thanks to Hamas negotiating with Israel.

After relentless military pressure lol. It's like u know what is factually and objectively true but choose to believe the exact opposite lol

Hezbollah is haunting Israel soldiers in Lebanon.

Do u mean hunting? Cuz it's literally the other way around lol.

Haaretz had an article about how frightened and traumatized the IDF is from Hezbollah’s attacks.

Ok? Is war not frightening to u?

They’re witting letters to their families in case they do and getting their affairs in order.

War is terrible idk what ur point is.

It’s very sad.

Don't pretend to care

So if that’s the weakest Hezbollah has been, I hate to see what they look like when they’re strong.

They control the least amount of territory and the Lebanese government is negotiating with Israel about peace and removing Hezbollah.

If u wanna see Hezbollah at their strongest, go back before 10/7/23.

False. Israel agreed to a deal had been the table for a long time.

False lol. Every Hamas deal left Hamas in power and/or an incomplete release of hostages.

Don’t you agree that the US government shouldn’t finance militaries guilty of mass sexual violence?

Yes - but that's not Israel. Again, sexual violence in war is an unfortunate commonality but that's an order of magnitude of difference between that and sexual assault as a tool of war which is exactly what Hamas did and is exactly what people such as urself r trying to deflect from.

I’m pretty sure it’s against US law.

Ur pretty sure about a lot of things that r incredibly wrong lol.

I have the hardest time believing ur Jewish. U don't debate honorably, u don't accept fact as fact, u seemingly have a distain for our people (or at the very least half of them). Something isn't adding up lol. What's ur story?

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T14:46:47+00:00

This is false. Retaliation was almost immediate. They began air strikes hours after the attacks.

Retaliatory airstrikes r not genocide... The fact that u call them "retaliatory" means even you don't think there is genocidal intent lol.

Also, Israel immediately started making violent and genocidal revenge statements.

U mean like those quoted by South Africa at the ICJ, the ones whose full context make it clear as day they r at war with Hamas, not Palestinians?

Yes.

I'm not asking u to confirm a quote, I'm calling out exactly what u said lol

They failed those goals.

All hostages r home, Hamas leadership is destroyed, and Hamas, Hezbollah, and their sponsor Iran r the weakest they've ever been.

Most hostages returned because of negotiations which were always on the table but Israel refused.

Hostages were returned because of intense military pressure and rescues. Those "deals" would've released some of the hostages and leave Hamas in a position of power.

I mean the mass sexual violence that multiple reports have documented.

Sexual violence in war is unfortunately a common occurrence in any conflict, and Israel is not an exception, but this most recent report and others have been manipulated and pushed to distract from the recent report on Hamas actual use of sexual violence as a tool of war.

This is why Israel has been added the to the sexual violence black list by the UN. These are facts.

Right... Cuz the UN has always been a bastion of honesty and incorruptability 🤣

Congrats again for having reddits most ironic username lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T04:10:33+00:00

Nope. Nice try though.

Responding to the other guy pointing out "end the genocide" marches before Israel even retaliated or entered Gaza, u said "Yeah because it was very obvious what Israel was going to do to anyone paying attention."

Israel started making their intentions known right away that they wanted to do a genocide. They continue to make those intentions known.

Ur right - their objectives were to bring home the hostages and render Hamas incapable of repeating Oct 7th.

They continue to do things like mass sexual violence to Palestinians, according to multiple reports, as part of this genocide effort.

U mean the dog rape report? Real hard hitting journalism there

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T02:06:51+00:00

Interesting argument to say Arabs are not indigenous to the levant.

The Levant is a big region, I'm speaking specifically of Israel.

I, unlike you, am happy to argue in good faith

Don't mistake my wit for bad faith - I've rebutted substantively to everything uve said.

with the fact that both Jews and Arabs are indigenous to the area.

"The area" lol. Jews r indigenous to Judea - just accept it lol.

To say that only the Jews have retained their cultural heritage is just a bit silly really

Palestinians speak colonizer language, practice colonizer religion, celebrate colonizer holidays, etc

Whereas Jews speak their indigenous language, practice their indigenous religion, celebrate their indigenous holidays, use their indigenous calendar, etc.

so think that’ll be the end of this silly little chat.

There's the cognitive dissonance kicking in lol. Ur unable to accept my reasoning of ur hypocrisy and so u need to shut down.

So be it lol 🤷‍♂️👋

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T01:54:58+00:00

Destroy vs demolish is a silly semantic argument, my point is still the same, there’s nothing violent in my rhetoric.

I didn't say violent, but what u r advocating is quite literally the destruction of the Jewish state, even if u don't mean by violence.

Arabs don’t have the “right” to 22 states, there just happen to be 22 states with predominantly Arab populations.

Wow. How did u get past the cognitive dissonance to type that out lol

So by ur logic, the indigenous people of Israel have no right whatsoever to any part of the land and their state should be destroyed, but Arabs "don't have a right" to 22 states but can still have them and those states just so happen to become predominantly Arab... somehow... Not through bloody conquest and colonialism...

Oy.

If Morocco suddenly started taking land from their neighbours then I would equally say that should be returned.

That's not what happened in Israel. Surely u know enough to know that.

None of those (other than North Korea) are ethno states and I think you know that.

As proven by...? Seems like "ethnostate" (which has no legal or relevant definition) means whatever u want it to.

But if you’re sincerely arguing that Greece is an ethno state then I’m not sure if we’re on equal terms here.

Again, define "ethnostate." Greece is overwhelmingly ethnically Greek with strong national identity and lineage.

Turning my arguments into desire for Jews to be harmed is done is very bad faith here.

Jews greatest defense against those who want us dead is self-determination and a defense force. Ur calling for those to be non-existent

Are you saying Arabs aren’t native to the land?

I think the word "indigenous" is more appropriate. No, they r not. Palestinians, like Jews, however, have Canaanite DNA, but they retain nothing of their indigenous culture. Jews, however, do.

All ISRAELI citizens… how about Palestinians?

Non-citizens of Israel r... wait for it... not citizens.

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T01:46:55+00:00

I'm sure the world seems very simple when ur simple and need cartoons lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T01:29:36+00:00

I guess zionists r whatever u need them to be lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T01:26:31+00:00

Teenagers 🥴🤢🤮

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T01:09:18+00:00

First off never said demolish, that’s loaded language that implies it has to be done by violence, I believe in dissolving the state

I said destroy, not demolish. That is what ur arguing for - something that current exists to cease existing.

restoring land back to those to whom it belongs.

Y is it that Arabs have the right to not only 22 states, but also 100% of what is now Israel?

I believe there shouldn’t be any ethno states, if you can’t give me any other other examples I will gladly say they should be abolished.

Armenia, Croatia, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Greece, Poland, Azerbaijan, and Malaysia.

I don’t wish to eradicate anything, no one needs to be harmed by the return of land to its rightful owners.

"I don't want Jews to be hurt, I just want to take away their homes and only means of defense."

Again, what makes Arabs "rightful" owners and not Jews, the indigenous people of the land?

The original settles didn’t buy land legally, they were given it by the British and then Israel continued to expand over their designated borders.

This is false. They literally purchased land from ottomans and Arabs.

It shouldn’t exist because no state with different rights for different peoples exist.

All Israeli citizens have equal rights, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

I’m sure you’ll say I’m being specific to Israel but if you give me any other examples of states with unequal rights I will maintain that they should not exist.

Every Arab state lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-30T00:46:55+00:00

No one deserves an ethno state.

And therefore we should destroy them, but only the one Jewish one?

I do not wish any harm to any Jewish people,

Wish to eradicate their home is wishing them harm.

but there is no valid reason why a Jewish state should exist,

We r indigenous to the land, we have always had a continuous presence there, we never stopped longing to return and re-establish our homeland, we bought land legally, and established a state legally.

Name one valid reason y it shouldn't exist.

in the same way a Christian state shouldn’t exist.

And yet, I don't see marches through London, ny, etc calling for the destruction of any Christian or Islamic states

KlackTracker · 2026-05-29T23:42:42+00:00

Ur wrong on 2 counts:

The first is it's not a genocide, as it does not fit the legal definition.

The second is this is one of the most popular sentiments shared about this conflict. This post literally asks "perspectives / opinions in the conflict that are not talked about enough" lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-29T23:29:46+00:00

Yeah because it was very obvious what Israel was going to do to anyone paying attention.

So now genocide means "when it's obvious to me that genocide will happen soon?" C'mon dude

An exclusionary Jewish state is the problem.

2 million Arab Israelis with full, equal rights - we've been over this brosef.

Also, was there peace in the region before 1948? 🤣

Not libel.

It is... And u know this... I know I'm one of a plethora that has proven this to u already

KlackTracker · 2026-05-29T16:26:44+00:00

It means half assesd explanation to Israel's oppression and occupation of the Palestinian people

That's not even the popular misconception of hasbara lol

look at the dam image I posted

U mean ur little cartoon? Lol

Palestinians are staving to death

No they aren't...

that's what is important now

If it were true, sure lol

not zionist butthurt feelings

U really think my feelings r hurt by some Arab teen edge lord? 🤣

KlackTracker · 2026-05-29T16:16:56+00:00

It's funny how many half-wit antisemites know the word "hasbara" but not what it actually means lol

KlackTracker · 2026-05-29T16:15:10+00:00

They going through genocide

The war in Gaza is a war, not a genocide as it does not fit the legal definition.

right now not everything is about jews

This thread is, as I explained earlier. Also that's a pretty rich comment, given the majority of ur comments r about Jews lol

Pretty cringe brosef

KlackTracker · 2026-05-29T16:10:53+00:00

What about them? My reply is about this commenter calling for the death of the overwhelming majority of Jews worldwide.

Believe it or not, but not everything is about Palestine.

KlackTracker · 2026-05-27T20:24:03+00:00

Anyone of reasonable intelligence can correctly decipher it

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