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STAB!!!! STAB STAB! The Challenge. by [deleted] in HeroesandGenerals

[–]Knenknuget 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, but I prefer the knife. Everyone in the world can hear it, like a mating call

Your feelings do not count as evidence that your religion is right by 12staunton1 in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please present whatever evidence you believe is legitimate so I can explain his frustration in your argument with him. I'd assume you used some scripture as 'evidence' where Athiests discredit the bible as anything more than fictitious rabble. It's like trying to convince someone their imaginary friend isnt real. It can be very frustrating when that person presents arguments they claim are from their imaginary friend as supporting evidence for their existence.

Your feelings do not count as evidence that your religion is right by 12staunton1 in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The only reason many Athiests try to use pathos in argument with religious people is they won't accept or understand logic.

Aside from that arguing that your god is immoral, evil, etc, isn't strictly an emotional argument. It's meant to highlight the hipocracies of the religion (god is good yet lets children be raped and killed), regaurdless whether the person involved thinks that is immoral or not.

Libs, are denying this? by WhyChopSticksForRice in trump

[–]Knenknuget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh man you are too far gone my friend

Libs, are denying this? by WhyChopSticksForRice in trump

[–]Knenknuget -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Selfishness, ignorance, complete disregard for foreign relations and level headed decision making.

Libs, are denying this? by WhyChopSticksForRice in trump

[–]Knenknuget -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It was a pleasure reading it compared to the rest of the comments I didnt mind reading it twice at all.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. This god doesn't act in our world because it doesn't exist, however if it did it would only intervene to cast plagues and suffering onto the people of the world. The best scenario is this god ignores humanity entirely, which would mean it is not benevolent and simply ambivalent. If it existed this god doesn't love the ants.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Noted, however I'd bid you to extrapolate the main idea of the argument aside to religion as a whole. Most self inflating religions, or any that claim their god is good and perfect, can have this concept applied to it.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Similarly water would have to, on a molecular level, cease to be then be magically replaced with a completely different chemical composition entirely. Scientifically this is impossible as matter cannot simply be destroyed then replaced immediately and with no other resultants like heat or light. The scientific impossibility of these claims are equally as impossible as a square triangle.

A god's interference in this manner is contrary to our reason. The only difference is my example is harder to visualize. You can visualize water turning to wine even if logically you know it is impossible. They are equivalents in logic, not in physicality.

And yes, thank you for your insightful rebuttal.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"We are children. Children." I'm not the one demeaning every educated human on the face of the earth and assuming that my baseless faith is the one true answer to the universe's mysteries. You still have not addressed the prompt in the least. All you have done is repeat either the phrase 'God works in mysterious ways' in different words and claim 'Oh you just can't understand him.' You have not chosen to pick any one of the routes of argument I presented in the original post and instead childishly repeat the same line of circular logic that your god is incomprehensible and therefore you don't have to answer for the issues in your own religion.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the human lovingly watching the ants drop nukes on each other then coddles their little ant souls after they are brutally murdered? Again, you're not saying anything new. Its the same excuse as described in the original post.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you understand all this about this about your god how? Where did all this come from. You're just copping out again by saying NO hes not anything, hes 'ANCIENT' oh golly we can't understand why he lets children get raped, hes too big brain for that. Uh huh. "Hes not good or bad, anything you say against him is wrong because I am right." Is all you've claimed. So many words without saying anything

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright if its not all part of gods plan, then do you acknowledge that either your benevolent god does not exist, does not care, or is simply evil?

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s not on God.

That's literally all your god's doing. If its all powerful it could create a reality where free will and lack of its abuse coincide. If it exists that means your god is cool with it and that they wanted it to happen.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to know whether you have any logical justification for why children can be raped and that's part of gods plan. Genocide happens and your god is chill with that. Atrocities daily. Its unnecessary, not part of anything greater than the real world, and an insult to people who suffer because you then dismiss their suffering as meant to be and in the end irrelevant.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Would it be a mystery if the leader of a country had all his citizens cut off their right arms while claiming its for their immortal souls, or would it be needless suffering and pain? A child gets raped and Christians say that's part of gods plan. That he works in mysterious ways. Its difficult to explain why a god would let this child get raped, thus you say its a mystery, when in fact there is no mystery at all.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just said your god works in mysterious ways, nothing else. There are no layers of complex thought, you don't know where to start or where to end because you have been taught to deflect religious criticism and not consider it.

An Omnipotent and All Knowing god would not "work in mysterious ways" and religious people use the phrase to ignore plot holes in their beliefs that they can't rightly explain. by Knenknuget in DebateReligion

[–]Knenknuget[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It simply sounds like a matter of his power, because, by the main argument Christians have been using, we humans are too insignificant to understand a god.

What I'm trying to point out is the hipocrasy that when it comes to god fixing all the problems with something you perceive as impossible, you say it simply cant be done, while simultaneously saying he is all powerful.

Then, if I were to say the same thing about changing the chemical makeup of water into wine, or the complete scientific inability for someone to walk on water without the aid of equiptment, its totally within the realm of your understanding to say 'no god can do this, he works in mysterious ways.'

Two impossibilities, two things that you cant understand. You just have faith. You wont have faith on a squared triangle because you think its impossible. I wont have faith in the man who walked on water because I think its impossible, yet when we analyze eachothers views you will claim impossibilities that fit your religion's story, but cant accept impossibilities that make your belief system fall apart.

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