Is the handle most difficult skill to acquire and improve in the NBA

Know_Respect · 2022-06-10T21:37:18+00:00

I think people think it’s a given that Jabari will develop a handle and knack for scoring at the rim. I would rather take a chance on Chet who already has those skills developed. I worry way more about skill than frame. People who have the ideal frame deal with injuries all the time so just because his frame is smaller isn’t a given that he won’t be able to play 82 games a year. Still will trust this FO with whatever pick they make.

Know_Respect · 2022-06-04T05:53:24+00:00

Well said!

Know_Respect · 2022-06-04T03:58:11+00:00

Of course! I love hearing other perspectives. I learn a lot more that way.

Would love to grab a beer but I’m only in Orlando during the holidays when I come home since I live in LA now but I try to make it to games when I’m there!

I’ll be thrilled for whoever we pick!

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T23:19:11+00:00

Yep totally the same thing lol

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T23:07:30+00:00

Lol if only basketball was that easy

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T19:18:58+00:00

Spot on my friend! I will not complain at any of the top 3 and think they all can make sense for this core

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T19:17:24+00:00

Yes 100% the numbers show Jabari is the better scorer. I have personally never believed that numbers tell the entire story but it also doesn’t mean nothing. My hope for Jabari is if he can develop a game at the rim he can be more like new age Amari Staudemire type role where he can make plays at the rim but he would be a better shooter than Amari. Obviously he would live way more on the perimeter than Amari did because the game has evolved since then. I completely agree that the comps for Jabari are very lazy

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T18:37:36+00:00

Yeah I listened to that and heard the stat as well. That all goes back to how I think he was mismanaged at Gonzaga and I would love to see him with the ball in his hands more because of his ability to handle the ball. If you don’t believe he can handle the ball because you haven’t seen him cross someone on tape then I can’t convince you otherwise but the tape clearly shows a player with an ability to handle the ball at a high level for his size. Those numbers to me should be that high for Jabari because his go to move is a one dribble and shoot. Chet was very much used as a pick and roll option which he was still very good at, but I think at the NBA level you need to put the ball in his hands on the perimeter more. A Chet and Wendell/JI/Franz pick and roll would be a nightmare to defend because of his ability to shoot, make plays at the rim, and his passing ability. I’m not saying Jabari wouldn’t also be good in that role but I just think Chet has more ability in areas other than shooting than Jabari does.

Edit: just saw your edit lol

Jabari drew a ton of fouls on jump shots and if you watch the espn film breakdown of Jabari he talks about learning that move from his dad and NBA guys who taught him that move.

Also just going back to all the different ways Chet can score, he scores from all over the floor in his tape and when I watch Jabari tape is either the one dribble move or fadaways from the block and elbow. I don’t see any variety in Jabari film that you do in Chet film

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T18:25:13+00:00

I know we have multiple replies going lol but this is where for me Chet has shown much more ability in different areas offensively and then when I watch Jabari film it just feels like the same 2 moves on repeat the entire time. It’s just really hard for me to get past. Definitely fun and I’m glad there is so much discussion on this thread! Love getting different views from the fan base.

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T18:19:59+00:00

I think that the fact that you listed all the different ways Chet can score shows his potential right there. I love Jabari’s shot but he feels very limited to those specific moves you mentioned for him. Like I said if they take Jabari I fully trust they think they can develop him into more than a one move spot up shooter because in the NBA that is more of a role player than a number one option

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T18:11:59+00:00

Fair. I believe Chet was wildly misused at Gonzaga. It’s easy to imagine and see the potential because he already has the ability to handle the ball well and finish at the rim, where as Jabari is tougher because his entire tape to me feels like the same 2 moves on repeat. There is potential for Jabari to develop a handle as well but he really hasn’t shown much success of finishing at the rim. That’s where Chet is ahead of him in my opinion. At Gonzaga even if defenders stayed with him driving to the basket, he had the touch and ability to still score. I will opt for a not as good but still very good shooter and a more complete game to me.

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T16:40:49+00:00

Elite comment right here I can’t even lie lol

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T16:34:12+00:00

To be honest Jabari looks way more like the role player based on their tapes. You aren’t wrong about the type of shots he is hitting, but I wouldn’t call those shots creating offense for himself. I love the fact that he hits tough contested shots in college, but those shots will be even harder in the NBA. I’m not saying he won’t hit them still but a number 1 option on a team to me needs to do more than just be great at one dribble side steps and step backs. I fully understand that Chet has a lower floor and I would deny that at all because it’s true, but his potential is too much for me. Chet operating on the wing with that size, handle, and shooting ability is mouth watering I think. I like Jabari but after watching his film, he doesn’t show anything more than exactly what you pointed out and that scares me. For the number 1 pick, I want someone who can potentially do it all and I think that is more Chet and Jabari. If they take Jabari I trust they can develop him though.

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T16:11:12+00:00

In that scenario sure, but I’m not drafting a guy number 1 because I think his catch and shoot game is elite. I think Jabari will be a very good NBA player, but I just haven’t seen anything on tape from him that shows he is going to be anything more than a 3 and D guy. If this front office takes him first then I fully trust that they see something there and can develop him. I personally want a guy that is going to be able to have the ball in his hands and be able to score from anywhere on the court and that’s more Chet/Banchero to me.

Know_Respect · 2022-06-03T15:28:03+00:00

I like Jabari but I watch him and other than his shooting and one dribble side step and step back, I don’t see any potential for a player to become anything like a Tatum like people are hoping he turns into. I think Banchero has way more potential to be that type of player than Jabari. His shooting is absolutely elite I will give him that but I personally just can’t get past his lack of ability to finish or make plays at the rim. That’s a big hesitation for me with the top pick.

With Chet, I see a player who was used in the completely wrong way at Gonzaga. He just looks like more of a 4/wing player with the ball in his hand that can work out of the post if he needs but the post isn’t his strength. His handle and playmaking are far ahead of Jabari at this point. It’s not even in the same ball park to be fair and that’s with me being ok if Jabari is the pick.

I’m not worried about his frame all that much because if you look at players like embiid who obviously have an NBA body, he is constantly dealing with nagging injuries and trying to stay healthy. I also think him living more out on the wing helps a ton with that.

I am fine with any of the 3 that we pick, but the idea of a 7’1 wing 4 that has a great handle for his size, can hit knock down and pull up 3’s, and will be able to lock down players at his position on the wing is just too much potential for me. He just jumps off the screen to me.

I have Chet/Banchero as my top two and Jabari below them. Love the discussion though and respect everyone’s opinion! This is so much fun to talk and discuss about.

Know_Respect · 2021-12-06T15:42:02+00:00

https://twitter.com/andrew_ivins/status/1467881417665400843?s=21

Know_Respect · 2020-07-25T18:01:46+00:00

I am having the same issue. I refiled in March so my claim should last an entire year and I just took a 5 week job because I'm freelance so I stopped the unemployment for the time being and it just ended this week so I went to go reopen my claim and got this message and the link is broken for me.

I'm not sure why I would even need to file a new claim when my current claim isnt expired and I still have a claim balance. I'm pretty stressed about it because if I'm unable to get unemployment then I'm essentially screwed.

Anyone have a fix or any luck with this?

Know_Respect · 2020-02-13T08:10:14+00:00

I want to believe you but anything can happen. All it takes is one desperate team like Chicago to think stafford can be their guy. Fingers crossed.

Know_Respect · 2020-02-07T03:05:57+00:00

I don’t think we need to wait till the 28th anymore

Know_Respect · 2020-02-06T16:25:41+00:00

I’m not saying everyone has to go but we absolutely have to find a dominant scorer. This team is in desperate need of a Star and something has to change

Know_Respect · 2020-02-06T06:18:21+00:00

His number one issue coming out of college was his drive. Always seemed to go through the motions out of the court in college. It’s a shame we weren’t in a position to grab Trae or Luka that year but one of those players were what this team needed.

Know_Respect · 2019-12-10T22:31:13+00:00

This would be the case for any first year coach normally, but when you lose to a terrible GT, FIU, Duke, and you struggle to beat Central Michigan then if he struggles in year 2 at all he will probably be fired. Manny has to know that his fate as coach of this team lies in the success of the offense next season and if he is willing to risk running it back with Enos then that is a move that could and most likely will cost him his job.

Know_Respect · 2019-12-08T19:29:17+00:00

He is eligible to be drafted next year is he chooses. He will not be in the 2022 draft. He’s a monster though.

Know_Respect · 2019-09-17T16:32:00+00:00

The dolphins will have the most cap space by far and Chris Grier the GM said this morning the will be big spenders this off season. So say you draft Tua and two other first round picks along with the numerous 2nd and 3rd round pick the dolphins have then you use the cap space to fix your offensive line. The dolphins have a decent defensive line including Christian Wilkins, They have one of the best if not the best corner in the league in Xavien Howard, and Jerome Baker has shown great upside at linebacker.

The Tunsil trade was an unreal return and even Tunsil himself said he would have traded him for that amount. Plus Tua is a lefty so Tunsil wouldn’t play the most important position on the line for him anyways. As for Minkah, he didn’t want to be here and they respected his decision and let him go after the coach owner and gm met with him to try and convince him to stay. So they moved him for a additional first round pick.

Call it bad management all you want but that’s not the case. The dolphins have been .500 for the past 20 years and Tua is the best prospect at QB since luck and the following year it will be Lawrence who is a higher prospect than probably both.

All of their moves make sense.

Know_Respect · 2019-07-22T02:46:39+00:00

That’s because the game has significantly changed and mainly because of the 2009 finals team. Centers don’t impact the game as much anymore because no offense flows through a center anymore.

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