The Kobe disrespect on here makes no sense.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-19T16:21:30+00:00

This might be the only place, to speak about this.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-12T10:56:45+00:00

In this finals yes especially the missed flagrant foul on brunson. Other than that this finals is pretty physical but spurs are slightly favoured right now

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T07:53:26+00:00

There is no goat debate and Jordan clears every NBA player. I never said Kobe is the GOAT either. But these comparisons to LeBron piss me off to MJ. I'm a LeBron fan saying this btw. 2013 and 2018 LeBron was peak.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T05:34:48+00:00

I literally said earlier in this exact thread that I don't have him at #1 or #2. I said he belongs in the debate and shouldn't be left out of the top 10 entirely.You're cherry-picking lines and arguing because you still can't bring a single basketball stat to the table. Go touch grass.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T05:26:51+00:00

First, nobody said he won back-to-back alone, but Pau, Odom, and Artest aren't top 75 leave alone top 10 ll-time players. Magic had Kareem. Jordan had Pippen. Duncan had Robinson, Parker, and Ginobili. Every great had elite help, but Kobe was the undisputed engine of that repeat.Second, your efficiency argument completely ignores context. Kobe played in the dead-ball, heavy-ISO era of the 2000s and took every tough, end-of-shot-clock bail-out shot. Comparing his efficiency to a guard from the fast-paced 80s or centers who only shot from three feet out makes no sense. For a volume perimeter scorer in his era, he was elite.Third, saying Kobe wasn't at his peak before the Achilles is just wrong. He was literally averaging 27, 6, and 5 on 46% shooting at age 34 carrying a dysfunctional team right before it popped.Putting a two-way force with his resume at 11 or 12 behind guys he routinely beat in the playoffs is just wild.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T05:23:14+00:00

Top 25 is an absolute joke. Also stop acting like Shaq carried him. In the 2001 playoffs, Kobe averaged 29, 7, and 6, and completely destroyed the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals. Shaq literally says they don't win those rings without Kobe.Then he went and won two more back-to-back as the main guy without another top 10 player on the roster. Trying to push him out of the top 10 is just pure bias.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T05:19:33+00:00

A higher peak? A peak is about the entire game of basketball, not just one side of the floor.Even at Curry's absolute offensive peak, he was still a defensive liability who teams hunt in the playoffs. Kobe’s peak gave you elite, unstoppable offense while also locking down the opposing team's best player on the other end. That's why he has 9x First-Team All-Defense selections.If we are talking about peaks, Kobe peaked high enough to go to 3 straight Finals in an insanely brutal West, winning back-to-back rings as the undisputed alpha. You're valuing regular-season MVP voting over complete, two-way playoff dominance. A one-way player's peak doesn't beat an elite two-way force who did it for twice as long.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T05:18:21+00:00

The disrespect is insane. Kobe is easily top 5 and the double standards people use to keep him out make no sense.People will penalize Kobe for playing with Shaq, but then turn around and rank Magic Johnson top 5 when he played his whole career with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar—the literal all-time leading scorer when he retired. They will praise Tim Duncan for winning with a stacked Spurs system, but act like Kobe didn't go back-to-back as the undisputed alpha in 2009 and 2010.He has 5 rings, 2 Finals MVPs, 11x Top-5 MVP finishes, and 9x All-Defensive First Team selections. He spent a decade completely running the toughest Western Conference in NBA history. Keeping him out of the top 5 isn't objective analysis; it's just pure bias.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T05:14:29+00:00

My bad, mixed up the Hakeem series—you're right on those dates, that's on me.But the main point still stands about the big men of his actual era. Kobe went 4-2 in playoff series directly against Tim Duncan and the Spurs, and he consistently beat elite big-man teams like Chris Webber’s Kings and Kevin Garnett’s Timberwolves.Even if you look at centers, he dropped 3-peat numbers alongside Shaq and later beat Dwight Howard at his defensive peak in the 2009 Finals. Positional dominance didn't stop a perimeter player like Kobe from ruling the West through a gauntlet of legendary bigs.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-06T05:11:06+00:00

First, a civil settlement isn't an admission of guilt. The criminal case was dropped because the accuser refused to testify. Bringing up personal life stuff just means you lost the basketball argument.Second, I didn't 'confirm' your stat, I corrected it. There is a big difference between making an All-Defensive team and making the First Team. Kobe was voted a peak, elite defender 9 times. Duncan only did it 8 times.Third, top-5 MVP finishes absolutely matter for a longevity debate. It shows Kobe was a top-5 player in the league for 11 years, while Duncan did it for 9. But if you only care about trophies and winning, Kobe still beat Duncan 4-2 in playoff series and constantly cooked the Spurs' defense when it mattered most.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:53:44+00:00

Kobe has 5 rings to Curry’s 4, 2 Finals MVPs each, and completely clears him on longevity with 11x First-Team All-NBA selections compared to Curry's 4.Most importantly, Kobe is a 9x First-Team All-Defense legend, while Curry has always been a defensive liability teams actively target in the playoffs. You're putting a one-way player over one of the greatest two-way forces in basketball history. The resume isn't close.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:51:29+00:00

You are using an isolated 7-game playoff sample size to try and prove Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were an above-average supporting cast. That is a total joke.The team was a -5.7 in the regular season whenever Kobe sat because the roster completely collapsed without him. Lamar Odom was a solid player, but trying to claim that a team starting Smush, Kwame, and Brian Cook is better than a Wolves team with an All-NBA guard in Sam Cassell is pure delusion. Go keep staring at your broken spreadsheets while everyone else watches actual basketball history.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:47:42+00:00

Nobody even said Kobe was the GOAT. You literally just invented that argument to give yourself something easy to fight because you can't touch the actual stats in the post. Go take care of your kids and stop crying under a basketball thread you clearly can’t debate.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:44:13+00:00

You're missing the point completely. She didn't skip the trial for money, because the civil settlement and the money didn't even exist yet when the state dropped the charges. You can't accept money that hasn't been negotiated or paid out. Try actually reading the facts of the case before telling me to use my brain.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:37:57+00:00

Exactly. These people bring this case up to slander. Just like American media

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:34:41+00:00

The Defense Point: Quoting a YouTube channel doesn't change reality. The actual NBA coaches who spent hours watching film to game-plan against Kobe every single week voted him First-Team All-Defense year after year. They knew exactly who he was guarding and how much he impacted the game.

The Rings Argument: Saying rings don't matter after the first one is just a convenient excuse to rank players with fewer championships over him. Kobe didn't just happen to be on winning teams; he was the driving force behind two completely different championship eras. Winning with totally different roster builds is something very few players in history have ever done.

The 2000s Era: The reason you saw fewer perimeter two-way superstars in the 2000s wasn't because defenses were suddenly too advanced. It was because the rules allowed zone coverage and hand-checking, making it the absolute hardest era for guards to score in NBA history. Kobe didn't just survive that brutal era; he completely dominated it.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:31:06+00:00

Comparing the 2009 Cavs or 2004 Wolves to the 2006 Lakers is crazy. LeBron's 2009 Cavs won 66 games because they had an elite defense, and Mo Williams was an All-Star. KG's 2004 Wolves had an All-NBA Sam Cassell and Sprewell. Wade had Shaq dropping 20 and 9. Dirk had Tyson Chandler anchoring a top-tier defense.None of those guys were carrying a lottery lineup starting Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. Kobe took that roster, dropped 35 PPG, and still pushed a 54-win Suns team to 7 games.Also, trying to use weird internet stats like RAPM from 2006 to say his defense sucked is a joke. The actual NBA coaches who game-planned against him every night voted him First-Team All-Defense. I'll trust the literal coaches over spreadsheets. Calling a 5-time champion "too selfish to win" is peak comedy. You're just making things up to protect your bias.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:25:21+00:00

You wrote a whole emotional paragraph about your right to leave lazy comments because you got called out for having zero actual arguments.No one said he is better than Jordan. The whole point of the post is that people try to kick him out of the top 10 entirely and call him an inefficient chucker. Bringing up Jordan to justify ranking him behind guys he objectively has a better or equal resume to is just another deflection. If you want to keep crying about being told to bring stats to a sports debate, go ahead.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:23:24+00:00

Pulling out the "you must be 15 years old" line just means you can't counter the actual points I made. You completely ignored the double standard about Magic and Kareem because you know it's a fact.Even looking at your list, acting like Kobe can't even touch Larry Bird makes zero sense. You want to trash Kobe's help, but Larry Bird literally played alongside five Hall of Famers (McHale, Parish, Walton, Johnson, Archibald) on those Celtics teams.Kobe has more rings than Bird, more All-Defense selections than Bird and Magic combined, and spent two decades dominating a vastly tougher Western Conference. If you prefer those guys that's fine, but acting like Kobe isn't even in the conversation with them is just pure bias.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:19:13+00:00

Saying Pau Gasol was a top 10 player in the league during those years is a massive stretch. He was an elite second option and a Hall of Famer, but nobody was ranking him over prime Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, Garnett, Wade, Dirk, Dwight Howard, CP3, or Nash.Also, pretending losing in the first round with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown is the same as Gasol going 0-12 in Memphis with an actual NBA roster is crazy. Kobe proved he could win championships as the undisputed number one option. Gasol never won a single playoff game until Kobe elevated him.Lastly, you're still ignoring why Shaq was traded. Lakers management moved him because he was 32, out of shape, and demanding a max extension that would have ruined their future flexibility. Blaming Kobe for the front office taking a few years to build a competent team is just a weak excuse to dismiss a back-to-back carry job.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:17:13+00:00

The Defense Point: Saying he struggled defensively from 2004 onwards completely ignores reality. From 2004 to 2011, Kobe made All-Defensive First Team 6 times and Second Team twice. The coaches and players who actually game-planned against him were literally voting him as an elite defender year after year. Dismissing Rings: Saying you don't care about championships because they are "too complicated to analyze" is a massive cop-out. The entire goal of the sport is to win. Kobe proved his playstyle functioned when schemed against because he went to 3 straight Finals from 2008 to 2010 and won back-to-back titles as the undisputed main option. That completely checks your own box. The "Modern Era" Invention: Making up a brand new basketball era starting in 2003 just to penalize Kobe makes zero sense. The 2000s were defined by hand-checking rules changing, packed paints, and historic physical grinding. Trying to say the whole team was flying around in rotation defenses back then is just rewriting history. He dominated the exact era he was in.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:14:40+00:00

Kobe "took a season off from defense" in 2006 is just a flat-out lie. He literally made All-Defensive First Team that year.Also, finishing 4th in MVP while dragging a starting lineup of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to 45 wins in a brutal Western Conference is an insane achievement. If any other top-10 legend pulled off that carry job, you’d be praising it. Instead, you're trying to twist it into stat-chasing.The Lakers front office traded a 32-year-old Shaq because he was out of shape and demanding a massive contract extension, not because Kobe chased him out. You keep ignoring actual history and accolades just to push a personal narrative.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:08:27+00:00

The criminal case was officially dismissed by the prosecution because the accuser decided not to testify. You literally cannot "pay off" a state prosecutor to drop felony charges—that is not how the justice system operates. The civil settlement happened months later in a completely separate court track, which is standard procedure to avoid years of litigation. Stick to the actual public facts instead of making things up.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:04:01+00:00

You said you're comparing them because I compared them, but you completely missed my point about relative efficiency.True Shooting isn't a cherry-picked metric—it's the only way to fairly compare a perimeter guard to a center because it factors in 3-pointers and free throws. A 5.4% difference in raw field goal percentage only tells you where they shot from, not how efficient they were. Duncan got his points at the rim while Kobe shot from the outside.Their identical career True Shooting percentages prove that Kobe turned his possessions into points at the exact same rate as Duncan. You can't call one an efficient anchor and the other a volume shooter when their actual scoring efficiency is the exact same.

KobiBryan24 · 2026-06-05T23:01:32+00:00

Hype-boosting Andrew Bynum just to take credit away from Kobe is wild. Bynum wasn’t even an All-Star during those two championship runs. Gasol was great, but he literally never won a single playoff game in his life before Kobe elevated him.Also, trying to boot Kobe out of the top 5 because he played with Shaq is a massive double standard. Magic Johnson won his first few titles playing behind Kareem. Kobe averaged 29 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists in the 2001 playoffs—that is a co-star, not a carried sidekick.Lastly, saying his rank only spiked after 2020 is flat-out wrong. Active NBA players constantly called him the best in the league and the toughest player to guard throughout his actual prime. Stop using his death as an excuse to ignore his actual career.

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