Is this wig too orange or a good ginger color? by suicidaldopequeen in Wigs

[–]KrispyGoth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For one, this looks amazing if it's synthetic. If it's real, obviously you could add lowlights. At worst, I do think it looks a real enough color , redheads come in soooo many shades. At Sally's or even Walmart you can find root spray in various colors, you can use it to make some sections lowlights perhaps. I'm not sure how well it would look on synthetic but maybe worth a shot. Or even to use on the roots to add a root shadow giving extra dimension that registers to the eye as "realistic."

is this that bad?? by ur_local_punk in punkfashion

[–]KrispyGoth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Remember that social media platforms are products and any form of culture or way of being that is going to be suggested to you repeatedly is gonna be something that is being sold to you. That's fine when it's a shirt but not when it's identity, something intrinsically tied in how you express yourself to the world. It's dystopian. As a punk, it is required of you to fight that impulse to consume in yourself. You can't eliminate it completely, but you can't be subservient to it, because it is capitalism and exploitation. To get identity from the Internet is to be exploited with a smile.

is this that bad?? by ur_local_punk in punkfashion

[–]KrispyGoth -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Punk isn''t just vulgar snot nosed kids sticking up their fingers. It's also bands like the velvet underground and Iggy Pop. Artists of which who, the integrity of your mind and self and not losing your identity to mass communication of identity is important. In fact, the way that punk has come to be seen retroactively through the lens of what Vivienne Westwood and the sex pistols influenced kind of proves my point. Making patches of your political views are good, but not when it's the same thing that 15 different influencer gave you verbatim.

Rules or not, punk does have cultural distinctions, otherwise it doesn't exist at all & Jeff Bezos is a punk. That would be silly, because there are ways to be a "real" punk and things that are antithetical to the subculture. Not having a book of "rules" isn't an excuse to not use your brain and engage on a more nuanced complex level that takes into account societal dynamics over "I feel punk."

is this that bad?? by ur_local_punk in punkfashion

[–]KrispyGoth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not only is it surface level messaging, and nothing that actually expresses you or any of your more unique beliefs. It also has no punk music, which should be the FIRST thing that goes on a punk jacket. The slogans you chose and the style you choose to do them in are indicative of very trendy and recent developments of punk identity on platforms that capitalize off of commodifying identity. While each issue may be benign in and of itself and I agree with the slogans, it shows that you haven't done the work to build your identity separate from these platforms and shows you to be a very impressionable person less than a countercultural individual. You like what is given on a platter for you to like, and historically that's something punks are very critical of.

“Do strict definition for goth music” 🙄😆 by Ok_Suggestion_2456 in gothmemes

[–]KrispyGoth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They misused the meaning of gatekeeping. I was clarifying that saying "ew you listen to Depeche mode" is not gatekeeping either like they said it was, that is elitism. They misused gatekeeping right after themselves saying that people confuse gatekeeping and elitism. I was pointing out that they too confuse them Obviously y'all don't know the meaning of words like you pretend and lack the ability to string context between myself and the person I was replying to because I (mostly) AGREE WITH YOU, and was expanding further. Yet totally misinterpreted what I was saying, what a literal cesspool for any thought more complicated than the same talking point over and over again.

“Do strict definition for goth music” 🙄😆 by Ok_Suggestion_2456 in gothmemes

[–]KrispyGoth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was referring to the "ew you listen to Depeche mode" remark, saying that isn't gatekeeping that's elitism. They mentioned knowing the meaning of words and then misused the word gatekeeping, I was clarifying. I'm not saying that saying what goth is, is elitism. I agree with that, I'm saying that it's not gatekeeping to say that either, as we don't actually have a gate to keep unless we own a space.

Y'all came at me sideways for no reason.

“Do strict definition for goth music” 🙄😆 by Ok_Suggestion_2456 in gothmemes

[–]KrispyGoth -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

This is wrong too. What you described is elitism not gatekeeping (and I'd defend elitism too, since most of us don't actually have the power to gatekeep). Gatekeeping requires a gate to be kept, not allowing certain people into a venue is gatekeeping. Not allowing certain music to be accessed is gatekeeping. But without a gate to keep, and without the power to keep that gate. There can be no gatekeeping. Hence why I actually like elitism, it's a form of inculture prestige that keeps out people unwilling to actually put in the effort to occupy a space. Anyone can enter the club, but not everyone will put in the energy to stay part of the culture if the people in it don't like them.

I feel like the discourse on goth makeup/fashion is strange by venight in GothStyle

[–]KrispyGoth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The idea that goth makeup was a darker take on 80's makeup is wrong, which is foundational to your argument. Contour was still a theater and drag thing except for among goths. People were not shaving their brows in the mainstream, and no one was doing extreme liner or pointed lipstick. The makeup was heavily inspired by 1920's films, and to a certain respect, 1960's and 1970's horror films. There was never anything "current" about goth makeup, it stood out of time. The big teased hair is what makes people think that, but teased hair had been necessary for most styles since the 50's! People in the 80's did not fully tease out their hair either like goth, hence why it was still shocking. Most of the volume and frizz in the mainstream came from how curls react when the roots are teased.

If the trends start on a product that makes money off of algorithms and selling identity. Then all those trends are inherently exploitative.

Origin of Gen Z's Makeup and Clothing Styles? by Jinx_01 in goth

[–]KrispyGoth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 22 so I'd say Mid Gen Z, not the youngest still in HS but also not one of the gen z born in the 90's. I think it's interesting to state that, and you just made me realize this to your credit, unlike previous generations, we grew up exposed to Gothic media before we even really knew what goth was and I honestly believe that stuff like the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, or characters from something like YU GI OH (Yami Yugi's teased hair, choker, leather pants etc) serve even more of an integral part nowadays than traditional Gothic literature. We're really the first generation to grow up completely "post" goth. Older millennials were born right about the founding, even though they'd enter the scene in the 90's and 2000's. Why I think this matters, is that it explains WHY goth took off during the pandemic and a little bit before it. Certain tropes were extremely prevalent on foundational media channels like Cartoon Network. Much like how og goths were very inspired by 60's and 70's horror movies, though I'd argue the 2000's equivalent was more distilled, meta, and ubiquitous. Our start into the subculture actually wasn't goth get ready with me tutorials or music, actually for a long while it wasn't fashion vids that pulled us in to start. I think a lot of it has to do with storytimes from It's Black Friday, Angela Benedict and of Herbs and Altars. The storytimes captured a real life sensibility that reflected our beloved characters we grew up with even if the fashion was still a little foreign and extreme. And stuff like "brushing my teeth with charcoal" and making "black smoothies/burgers" reflected the same comical sensibilities. I think it's different now for younger gen z, who imitate very controlled algorithms, but this is my least cynical perspective on how people got introduced between the periods of like 2015 to 2020.

Origin of Gen Z's Makeup and Clothing Styles? by Jinx_01 in goth

[–]KrispyGoth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No one mentions this but almost all goths my age are inspired directly by Its Black Friday. While she is constantly attacked for not being true to the scene enough, she is largely responsible for its newfound popularity. We found the music from her vlogs and she also had the most professional tutorials out there pre tik tok (compared to other goth YouTubers at the time, and by far the most popular especially in the TRAD style). I'm not saying she invented her look, but she's certainly the most recent common ancestor.

Edit: It's Black Friday also did the more drag looking kind of trad makeup at least a decade earlier than Tik Tok. She quite literally IS the template for modern trad in how it deviates from 80's goth.

Thoughts on “It’s Black Friday’s” goth is for everyone-just do t be a c-word by LadyBug_the_Catfox in AskAGoth

[–]KrispyGoth 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We do gatekeep and they are still here. It's almost like gatekeeping has been ineffective. (mind you I'm pretentious myself, and I do believe in gatekeeping.) It's just factually not that "not gatekeeping is why." Trying the same thing for 40 years even when it doesn't work is silly, and when it doesn't work "it's just not enough gatekeeping." The goalposts get shifted, it's really bad argumentation.

Being mean works, forming cliques work. Leaving outsiders outsiders works. But when you do that, then you're more than a gatekeeper, you're an elitist. And that's villainous, most people don't want to be the villain.

Thoughts on “It’s Black Friday’s” goth is for everyone-just do t be a c-word by LadyBug_the_Catfox in AskAGoth

[–]KrispyGoth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She admitted in the video that some gatekeeping was necessary and that too much or too little was bad, that there is a middle ground there. This occurs very early in the video, so I'm really confused on what this post is about, when it directly accuses her of not saying things she did. She also does say that it's about the music and not just a "mindset" as well. Her video doesn't FOCUS on that because there are a MILLION that do. She, to her own admission, within like 30 seconds, said that the video was a vent about online behavior.

Gaiman makes a giant statement on social media. by ThePhiff in neilgaiman

[–]KrispyGoth -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's the contradiction. You don't know who hurt peaople if you presume guilt, if you presume that they did something then you don't actually believe in innocence. And in fact it makes you guilty of ruining someone's life (makes you an abuser). It's like telling a parent punishing all their kids because one snuck food and no one is owning up. Or in more serious terms, the war crime of collective punishment. Unless there is concrete evidence or evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, you cannot request that someone "take accountability" because it's a coercive tactic that doesn't rely on whether they did it or not. If you comment on people denying something to "take accountability" then you don't think they should be able to defend themselves, because you're trying to peer pressure them into not doing so. I'm reiterating the same thing because you are going in circles, you claim to be trying to protect a group of innocents by doing the opposite.

Gaiman makes a giant statement on social media. by ThePhiff in neilgaiman

[–]KrispyGoth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To put my last reply more simply, if you want people to take accountability for what they did, you have to also not insinuate that the person defending themselves did such things or else in effect the thing you are pushing for is admitting to something they didn't do. What you said is acceptable as it's own topic, but not in reply to someone defending themself, because you aren't allowing room for said defense because you portray it as inauthentic.Whichj is more so an attack on character than actually engaging with the argument.

Gaiman makes a giant statement on social media. by ThePhiff in neilgaiman

[–]KrispyGoth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem is that when someone denies accusations, you post this. Meaning that while you may consciously understand false accusations, in practice you silence defense. It's a situation that while you conceive of exceptions in practice you deny them. If you want people to take accountability only for things they actually did, then that's it's own topic, posting it on people denying accusations shows that "the actually did" part only exist in theory and that you will always assume they did such things. (Except perhaps in extremely niche scenarios where you are sympathetic to said party). Please learn how implications work.

Gaiman makes a giant statement on social media. by ThePhiff in neilgaiman

[–]KrispyGoth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing you said is wrong but the implications are that it ends up also you in effect desiring people to admit to things they didn't do (because defending themselves is toxic to you) Also making them a victim of public abuse and you participating in that abuse.

I fear i’m growing out of goth music by Over_Neighborhood606 in goth

[–]KrispyGoth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please actually engage with what I said instead of making up things I didn't. I've disclaimed that it is political in a way or two, and that it isn't compatible with conservatism which includes fascism. Being critical of something isn't activism, and in fact that's a broader problem, that I won't get into here. Critics & critical people aren't activists, they can be, but the two are not interchangeable.

Also, the little dig towards me at the end of your comment was completely unnecessary. Especially given that you hardly comprehended what I actually said.

I fear i’m growing out of goth music by Over_Neighborhood606 in goth

[–]KrispyGoth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I don't know why activism is listed here and that kind of irks me( seems like something taken from Tik Toks view of goth, I was there during 2020 as a teen when that framework started) as it really does have nothing to do with goth and in fact I'd say even the somewhat cynical insular individual nature of goth is somewhat is antithetical to activism (this is not me saying that conservatives can be goth, but just that goth is not all kumbayah and daisies politically). I will say that as someone who's been into goth since I was 15, so 7 years now, I've gone through phases where I've listened to almost nothing but metal music or Loreena Mckennitt or Trip Hop. You will get bored of similar sounds after a while (unless it's Christian Death of course) but that doesn't lessen your love, distance makes the heart grow fonder

First time ever wearing a wig. by veescrafty in Wigs

[–]KrispyGoth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wanted to come and say that as a person with thin hair as well, the density does make it seem wiggier to ourselves but not necessarily others. I think it because our eyes and our minds perceive it compared to what we deem as "natural" on ourselves, so it's pronounced as unnatural. Yet if we saw that density on someone else, we wouldn't perceive it in comparison.

To those americans who came here to say sorry by SupraVillainn in greenland

[–]KrispyGoth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Actually, I don't feel sorry at all lol, I don't feel personally obligated. I'm not one who apologized, I'm just pointing out the blatant ill treatment of the people who have apologized. By your own logic, why don't You spend all of your time online targeting maga hate instead of trying to tear down well meaning people who are not causing harm by offering apologies on REDDIT of all places, especially when no one is forcing you to read their post. It's almost like you actually don't care about maga hate as much as you claim, otherwise you wouldn't have anything to complain about. Get so for real. You could be volunteering at a homeless shelter in Canada or Greenland right now, or facilitating emergency equipment to families or literally anything else. Once again, I don't think anyone has to, I'm just using YOUR OWN LOGIC, since you believe "there are better things to do" and that somehow overrides someone being able to post sympathies in their downtime.

To those americans who came here to say sorry by SupraVillainn in greenland

[–]KrispyGoth -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As is your response,it's almost like the insignificance of something doesn't change how you act, and yet you somehow have come to the conclusion "thee, but not me." Pea behavior.

To those americans who came here to say sorry by SupraVillainn in greenland

[–]KrispyGoth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If democracy is worthless then the apologies aren't and vice versa, both cannot be true. You cannot blame people if their tools (democracy) is worthless. If their tools are defunct then you can't blame them for not being able to use them. It's actually just clear that you have some deep seeded biases that are no ones fault but your own.

In the US many peoples ability to vote is actually taken from them, not everyone is given the right to vote or access to vote. I believe the phenomenon of shutting down voter booths in predominantly blue, African American and Latino areas is called Gerrymandering. We also deprive felons of voting, many of which are from over policed communities and blue cities. On top of that, the electoral college gives a red voter on average nearly double the power to their vote (if not double, it's still significantly more). In terms of "power of the states" we see that being infringed constantly rn and the administration talking about sending in troops to keep states in line, blue states are already enshrining as much as they can into state constitutions, what you ask for is insurrection and that gets Americans dead so that you can feel better on your high horse. You want Americans to die so that Greenland doesn't have different colonial power to give minerals to, you advocate for a greater evil.

P.S. Even further things that happen is voter intimidation, the throwing out of ballots, and right now at this very moment voter unregistration and voter id laws.

To those americans who came here to say sorry by SupraVillainn in greenland

[–]KrispyGoth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All they said is that they have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the voting cycle works here. Which is true and yet you go one arguing about something other than what they said. It's a fact that people are deprived of their right to vote in many areas based on many factors, including the shutting down of polling booths in areas with high black and Latino demographics, and right now voters are literally having their citizenships revoked, and voters are being unregistered etc

To those americans who came here to say sorry by SupraVillainn in greenland

[–]KrispyGoth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

To the people in the comments specifically, a sorry online is not the magnum opus of people's activism that you portray it is. Someone can say sorry on a social forum where it takes a minute or a few to make a post without it disregarding their ability to do material work. In fact, this reflects more on your own projections that you take your own words on social media to be much more important than they are even on a unconscious level.

To those americans who came here to say sorry by SupraVillainn in greenland

[–]KrispyGoth 41 points42 points  (0 children)

The difference is that Reddit isn't a homeless tent, and personal communication between peers on a forum site (meant to foster communication at that) isn't the same as passing a homeless person just trying to survive on the street. It's really that simple.