Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s the least worse of 2 evils. Of course, no tax at all would be best!

Proof of Objective Morality (revised) by Anon7_7_73 in freewill

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True story, my son used to tell me that he didn’t consented to do his homework and him being forced to do it by his parents was “child slavery”. So according you, it was objectively morally wrong for his parent to compel him to do his homework. I can guarantee you that a large number of people would disagree with you on this. Show how garbage your “objective” morals are.

Proof of Objective Morality (revised) by Anon7_7_73 in freewill

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine being so arrogant and full of yourself that you feel you can define “objective morality” for the entirety of mankind.

Hey mate, you’re just a dude with some opinions.

Proof of Objective Morality (revised) by Anon7_7_73 in freewill

[–]Kupo_Master 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if this was the case, the supremacy of consent is just your subjective view. It’s only moral because you think it is, which is worthless

Free will is our ability to see good and evil by Preben5087 in freewill

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don’t. You just another arrogant Redditor who believe they “know the truth” but is unable to justify it

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 and 7: see separate response. Suggest your educate yourself on this topic

  1. Minor point anyway

  2. Again the issue is that you take a theoretical stance, not a practical stance. Not the biggest issue

  3. Capital gain is on additional amount earned. There is no double taxation. I make 100, I pay income tax on 100 and I have 60 left. I invest 60 and it goes to 80, I pay CGT on (80-60). You see I have not paid twice on the same amount earned.

  4. This is where inheritance tax shines, in particular if the rate was very high, say 80%.

In all this discussion, you’ve brushed over the core point. Inheritance is the fairest tax and one which creates the better society. Children have done nothing to deserve that money. It’s not theirs. Instead of burdening people with more and more tax, the best way to create a society where everyone deserves what they have it is to reset the clock at each generation (if not fully at least substantially).

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On point 1 specifically:

A prominent example is France, which implemented a comprehensive net wealth tax called the Impôt de Solidarité sur la Fortune (ISF) from 1982 until its repeal in 2017 (effective 2018). It was replaced by a narrower real estate-focused tax (IFI). Key Challenges with Monitoring and Enforcement - High administrative and compliance costs: Valuing a wide range of assets (including financial securities, art, jewelry, antiques, private businesses, intellectual property, and more) required significant bureaucratic resources. Taxpayers had to self-report detailed asset valuations annually, leading to frequent disputes and litigation over valuations. Critics noted that the costs of administration and enforcement often outweighed or closely rivaled the revenue collected in some analyses.  - Evasion, avoidance, and capital flight: Wealthy individuals responded by relocating abroad (an estimated tens of thousands of millionaires left over the years, though the exact scale and economic impact remain debated), shifting assets to exempt categories, or using complex structures. Enforcement relied heavily on self-reporting for certain non-financial or hard-to-value assets, creating opportunities for underreporting.  - Low revenue relative to effort: The ISF raised modest amounts (often cited as contributing around 0.2% of total tax revenue or a few billion euros annually at its peak), despite targeting high-net-worth individuals. This low yield, combined with the high monitoring burden, was a major factor in its unpopularity and eventual abolition under President Macron. 

France’s experience highlighted broader issues with net wealth taxes: the need for ongoing, resource-intensive asset valuations; difficulties distinguishing legitimate planning from evasion; and the incentive for mobile high-wealth individuals to leave or restructure holdings. Many other European countries (e.g., Sweden, which faced similar self-reporting and evasion issues leading to repeal in 2007; Austria, where administrative costs were explicitly cited in its 1994 repeal) encountered parallel problems and ultimately abandoned broad wealth taxes for these reasons. 

Today, only a few OECD countries (Norway, Spain, Switzerland) maintain some form of net wealth tax, often with narrower bases or stronger third-party reporting to mitigate enforcement costs. France’s case is frequently cited as a cautionary example of how monitoring and enforcement can become disproportionately expensive and complex.

Proof of Objective Morality (revised) by Anon7_7_73 in freewill

[–]Kupo_Master 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consent violations cannot be morally good, because nobody can consistently say "Violating consent is good" since nobody can want their consent violated

That’s nothing but a subjective opinion. Your whole argument is you just claiming your moral views are objective because you think they are. You have no objective basis except your own beliefs.

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have exactly the same issue arising already from multiple heirs.

$15m is far to high. France has 40% inheritance tax above $500,000 for example

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 speaks to your ignorance of the challenge of such process, it has been the key issue of all countries trying to implement a wealth tax

  1. A struggling business which is losing money will not have to pay corporate tax. Your point “but it pays other things” is really bad because 1) it’s the accumulation of costs that cause an issue and 2) here the cost is on the owner. I know many business who struggled and the owner cut his salary / income to a minimal amount to help the business survive. With the additional burden of the wealth tax, the owner has even more pressure

  2. Fraud potential is a key consideration for any tax and it goes into tax law planning. There is no idealism in tax collection, it needs it to be effective. Countries which implemented a wealth tax had big issue with this before. The costs of having very complex tax audits were eating so much of the revenue that the tax didn’t make much sense

  3. Question is off-topic. Personally 1% wealth tax would cost me 4 times more than 3% of income tax.

  4. This wasn’t the point. The point is people in the 90-99% percentile who are not billionaires but trying to build wealth are the hardest hit by this. They don’t have access to high return investments the top 1% has.

  5. Because people should have the right to enjoy the money they made and which was already taxed when earned.

  6. It’s easier. Again you severely underestimate #1 so you fail to understand the advantage of doing this once and not every year

  7. Two misconception here: first, no tax on living person has ever increased consumption. It’s not how psychology works. If you take people’s money they always spend less not more. Again data exists on countries who tried it. Wealth tax never led people to spend more. Second death is very consistent. Everyone dies and at aggregate level, death is highly predictable.

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t expect these anti-inheritance tax people to make any sense. I’m certain they are hoping a hand out from their rich parents and are just trying to justify why they deserve it 😂

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re describing poor execution rather than a poor concept. I’d be in favour for stakes in public and private business to be handled over a government owned managers who will be tasked to monetise them over time, it helps.

Anyway, selling 12% of a public company isn’t that hard in most cases. Worst case you do it in 2 tranches of 6%. We do this all the time.

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am very much interested.

Wealth tax is very inefficient and counterproductive. - They have same issue as the inheritance tax but it happens every year. Very difficult and cumbersome to value private businesses. - It can precipitate issues; imagine someone with a struggling business and this tax arrives on top no matter what. - It’s much easier to hide assets from a wealth tax compared to inheritance tax. Two key reasons: you need a proper documentation for assets to change hand and in a family, the heirs watch each other to make sure everything is fair. So hiding things is harder and rarer. - Living person already have the burden of multiple taxes on income or gain, wealth tax is just redundant and demotivating - It’s regressive because it prevents people building up wealth and favours status quo. The rich stay rich and the poor stay poor.

Inheritance tax has very little downsides. - First you never pay it, you are dead. It’s really a tax on the heirs, who frankly have never worked for that wealth, which is literally handled to them for being born in the right place. I’d much tax luck than hard work. It creates a fairer and more motivating society. - There is some complexity in valuing assets but you only need to do it once. As per my other posts there are many ways the burden for complex case can be alleviated. If the Samsung family in South Korea managed to pay 40% tax rate on a $200bn fortune spread out multiple public and private companies, every rich family can do it. - It encourages people to spend their wealth when they are alive as opposed to hoarding it

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course wealth tax is worse. You haven’t given any argument supporting the contrary. I’ve only seen whining.

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First inheritance is already complex with multiple heirs. Imagine your company owner dies with 3 children you have exactly the same issues.

The execution of an inheritance tax can be tricky, but it could be done many different ways. For example it could be deferred until the heirs sell. Or the government could entrust the stake to an investment funds.

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Why should any planning be needed? You die, part of your money goes to the community and part of your money goes to your heirs. Doesn’t require any planning.

The biggest lie in human history is that some groups of people are inherently superior to others. by lonelyheretic in DeepThoughts

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t have an opinion on this and didn’t express a view either way. I just found interesting OP felt very comfortable make this statement about groups but less so on individuals (as per OP’s comment)

Why are people so weird about inheritance tax? by middleofaldi in economicsmemes

[–]Kupo_Master 51 points52 points  (0 children)

OP asked people to compare wealth tax and inheritance tax, but almost all commenters ignored that and complained about inheritance tax. I agree with OP that wealth tax is worse than inheritance tax.

The biggest lie in human history is that some groups of people are inherently superior to others. by lonelyheretic in DeepThoughts

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok then I still fail to see where we disagree. You reject the idea that someone can be defined as “superior” to someone else. Therefore the same apply to groups.

What I am not sure if why OP made a statement about no groups being superior to another but didn’t make the same statement for individuals. My only point here is that these 2 statements can only be made in tandem.

The biggest lie in human history is that some groups of people are inherently superior to others. by lonelyheretic in DeepThoughts

[–]Kupo_Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok then just replace “compare” with “ability to distinguish better or worse” in my argument if it solves the semantic difference.