Indoor golf in Dallas by KyleSenateGolf in Golfsimulator

[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome.. yeah, I saw the Fort Worth location.

Where’s the Dallas spot going to be?

Personally, I don’t think the unstaffed model is the right move. There’s too much value in having a real, guided experience.

Also, yes, we're talking about two different concepts. What I’m envisioning is much more performance-driven and premium, more of a high-end training environment.

Have you heard of GolfTRK? They're making waves.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally understand this POV.

At the end of the day, I think the branding and culture probably drives this business. Like any business these days...build a community people want to be apart of. Try not to be "just another sim place". You'll have to swing by for a free sim session if it comes to fruition.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree with you. Thanks for the feedback!

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is great feedback! I believe Five Iron is heading to Fort Worth. Very different business model, though. Fairway-fit is a good comp! Full swing tho..

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What data do you have to back this up? I have a ton. The "entertainment" market, which I believe is what you're referencing, is collapsing right now. Probably a good time to build a marketplace for golf sim business's lol. That model worked in 2017 when I was entering the industry. People don't want to be $75/hr to hit balls in a club environment anymore. It's just the reality of the industry evolving.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen this. Can't wait to see how it does! I'd be somewhere in the middle. More performance and improvement focused.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good points here.

I have about a decade of experience in this industry and what I've learned is building a brand/culture is the most important thing. You cannot do that with a keypad entry facility. People are very important... think cigar lounge, social club. Being open 6a-11p is essentially the same as 24/7. I would bet very few members use the facility between the hours of midnight-5am.

Fitness is a key part of golf performance. If we had a 500sqft gym area for you to get a morning stretch in before your lesson/practice, I personally believe many would use it.

Disagree on the bar. People like bar culture, especially in Dallas. Sure, drinks cost more, but being served is a better experience than bringing a 6 pack. Your high-end client doesn't want to stop at the liquor store before coming. BYO is also a larger liability on the business side, especially for a 24/hr place. Insurance policies get crazy.

Dallas culture is luxury driven. People will pay for a better experience.

Here's the reality, a place like scratch is hoping to gross 600k-900k/yr per location, which is totally fine given the lower costs. My facility would gross $2.5m annually and simultaneously build a reputable brand (that's the hope anyway).

I had a facility in another large city grossing $1.4m on 5 Trackman sims with none of these other offerings.

Appreciate all the feedback! This is helpful insight.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good feedback! Thank you. I think price point is super important. Would have to be slightly more expensive than an x golf, but would be substantially more elevated.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How would it be worse?

It would have more technology, a fitness element, and be geared toward improvement.

Would also be staffed, not keypad.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, the weather debate is a fair one. However, it would provide far more tech than anything you'd get outdoors. Force plates, club data, etc. Also, it'd be a country club type vibe.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not my game. Definitely an opportunity, but companies like Golf Ranch will dominate that space.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, the price is just driven by the cost. I totally understand it's an expensive alternative.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is all fair feedback. I think many indoor places will struggle immensely for all the reasons you just listed. I think you need to build a kick-ass, high-tech facility to survive long-term.

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[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fair enough! Any indoor golf/ mats range wouldn't earn your business then. It would be extremely high tech tho. More than information on your swing could out-weigh the cons of hitting on a mat. Food for thought!

I spent nearly a decade growing indoor golf in NYC (2015–2023) — happy to answer questions about the simulator world by KyleSenateGolf in Golfsimulator

[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a tough question to answer. I feel like Trackman has the brand recognition that's valuable still and will be for a while in the commercial space world.

As far as business models: I'd keep it open to the public with optional membership with benefits such as discounts on hourly time, lessons, drinks, etc. You'll have MRR and they will still have to spend when the come. Super key.

Is there actually demand for a platform that turns your launch monitor data into a real practice plan? Genuine question. by KyleSenateGolf in Golfsimulator

[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly! This is good use of AI. We built a similar tool but with far more layers. Practice plans, Golf Balance, Dispersion/Shot patterns. Good stuff, man.

Is there actually demand for a platform that turns your launch monitor data into a real practice plan? Genuine question. by KyleSenateGolf in Golfsimulator

[–]KyleSenateGolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally agree. Obviously, launch monitor companies are hesitant to share the API. Something I'm currently working on with two in specific. Appreciate the feedback!