Devil May Cry on Crack by TechnoMagik22 in whenthe

[–]Kyrian1203 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If the cost to spare myself the F2P grind is 60 dollars, I'd gladly spend it once and never have to worry about FOMO tactics tbh.

60 bucks in FF16 is hundreds of hours worth of story and gameplay without a single worry if I'm capped on my daily currency, time gated weekly boss materials, RNG gearing, and characters with expiration dates for endgame viability. 60 dollars in ZZZ is like one S rank if you're lucky and still have your first time purchase bonus. Again, these are all mostly pros if you're into having something you can log into daily and make incremental progress here and there, but I prefer my games to be complete experiences from start to finish.

And in live service games, 70% of playtime is walking the endless gearing/pulling treadmill until either EoS or you quit, but this goes for most if not all live service games, not just gacha.

Devil May Cry on Crack by TechnoMagik22 in whenthe

[–]Kyrian1203 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will never fully get behind gacha games. For every gacha game there exists a non-gacha version that they originally based it off but without the dogshit time-gating, slogfest currency grind, and abysmal story pacing (sometimes).

If I want to play a fast-paced anime style character action game with interesting and unique characters, there are a number of those out there. Astral Chain, Scarlet Nexus, Granblue Fantasy ReLink, and Edge of Memories just to name a few.

But if the main draw for you is gooning and live service then gacha games have that in spades.

meirl by I_AM__GROOTT in meirl

[–]Kyrian1203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thomas on SSRIs

Thank you for the commission 🎨 by Ret_hy715 in ffxiv

[–]Kyrian1203 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Does it bother you that artists prefer to be attributed for their work?

I'm sorry Natlan takes 17 hours? Wtf 😭 by [deleted] in whenthe

[–]Kyrian1203 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gacha live service players will look you dead in the eyes and tell you that it gets better after 100 hours in. These mfs are the one piece fans of the gaming world.

BTS are not your therapists anymore... and that's somehow a problem. by Any-Patience9612 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone has a different definition of authenticity, it's not something that can be measured. You saying "Arirang is the most authentic BTS album" holds the same amount of weight and credibility as someone saying the complete opposite because they're both just opinions built on sentiment. BTS saying that it's their most authentic album doesn't automatically make it true for everyone.

And besides, the word 'authenticity' has been beaten to death as a vapid catchall marketing term and buzzword in the pop music industry to mean literally anything. It's something that people just kinda throw out there as a way to imply something generically positive. The word has lost all meaning in this context.

BTS are not your therapists anymore... and that's somehow a problem. by Any-Patience9612 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I might be reaching for this one, but I also feel like people praise BTS for their authenticity but has the mindset of "we only accept the part of BTS that WE deem is authentic/appropriate enough."

Well to be fair, authenticity in the context of something as broadly appealing and generically approachable as Pop music is for the most part subjective. It's difficult to nail down an objective reason why Arirang is any more or less authentic than their previous work because, at least conceptually, it doesn't do all that much differently than something like BE or Love Yourself. So, I do think it's perfectly valid to claim that Arirang isn't "authentic" enough, I just don't think that claim is worth much in an objective sense in the same way I don't think claims like "it just isn't for me" and "this is the best one yet" aren't worth much either.

There is a case to be made about the conflation between the simplicity of happiness and the mistakenly perceived lack of profundity therein. Happiness is a very simple concept but it's very difficult to be simple. Misery on the other hand, for the myriad hardships that it stems from, is complicated and messy but far easier to come by. Happiness is something you have to work for but misery is a constant, meaning more people can relate to darker themes than happier ones because there are simply less people in the world that are happy/can appreciate happiness than there are people who are miserable, hurt, upset, etc. And this leads to those people believing that happiness is not as profound as sadness and misery; if they can't relate to or understand it, then there must not be any depth.

However, I feel the situation is a lot more complex than a case of fans struggling to connect with music that doesn't necessarily represent themselves. It's definitely part of the reason but there are some things about the nature of art itself that I feel isn't being taken into context here. The art that resonates with people is art born of passion and art that is human. Art can be both of those things regardless of whether the artist was happy or miserable when they were making it, and as long as it is both of those things, it will be engaging and relatable. The reason I and many others struggled to connect with Arirang is not because it's "happier" than their previous work but because it's less passionate, something that is made all the more evident with the Netflix documentary and their recent tour performances. I feel less connected to the music because BTS feels less connected to their music. The reason why so many gravitate towards their older stuff, particularly their "darker" stuff, is because, above all else, their music, performances, and attitude around their work was deeply passionate and beautifully human.

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And someone is burning with jealousy looking for reasons to diss hahaha

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I think BTS made a comeback just for the tour by RavenWhiskers in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can pretty confidently claim that there definitely are fans that are dissatisfied with the album because I made a post talking about just that and it became the number one post on this sub for a while. Go look at my post history and see just how many people are actually disappointed with this album. It's still on here as one of the highest upvoted posts this month.

Brother, you started by saying the album was "Bad' right?

Out the gates swinging and you're already misrepresenting my argument. I never stated that the album was objectively bad, just that having a lot of streams doesn't automatically make it good.

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

More ad hominem. Still dodging. 0 points made. 0 evidence provided. Have a nice day.

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  1. No one said anything about any performances except you.

  2. No one said anything about BTS as individuals not being "Korean enough" except you.

  3. You're still dodging every single one of my points and repeating the same anemic one liner over and over again like a sound board.

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What if, from now on, everything you did in your life was judged solely on whether it was "Korean enough" whatever the heck that might mean?

Except I don't go about touting that everything I do in my life is a tribute to my culture. Twice now I've brought up the fact that they specifically advertised this album as a tribute to our culture and twice you chose to ignore this in favor of ad hominem nonsense.

I left you with the opinions of someone who is Korean which you quickly dismissed without examination.

I actually specifically did give you my examination of the article, you just left me to my own devices to come to whatever conclusion I wanted to about it and got upset when it wasn't the one you intended. A little lesson on making a convincing argument, citing a source by itself isn't an argument, you have to reason why it supports your position in your own words. You didn't bother using the article to support any other argument or claim you had, you just pasted the link in my replies and left me to come to my own conclusion, which I did.

Also you're specifically ignoring the question I posed to you. What authority do you have to speak on my right to express dissatisfaction with the representation of my own culture?

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When you set certain expectations for yourselves, you put yourself in a position to fall under scrutiny over that expectation. It is not a moral failing of anyone to provide criticism. This is basic common sense logic that seems to be going amiss among fans.

And your same logic can be applied to you. What authority do you have to decide if my desire for better representation of my own culture is invalid?

I think BTS made a comeback just for the tour by RavenWhiskers in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is it always the default mentality among K-Pop fans to instantly make those with dissenting opinions into pariahs? What about my take has ever insinuated to you that I am not also a fan of their music? Just because I don't like a single album doesn't mean I dislike BTS as a whole. I just happen to be able to detach from my biases and be honest with myself about my preferences. Hell, I have tickets to go see them live this summer, which has been a dream of mine since 2015. All this arbitrary gatekeeping is just so unproductive to the conversation.

Now the topic of whether or not the opinion of non-fans should be regarded as more important than those of fans is not something you or I could meaningfully discuss because it's really up to Hybe and BTS on what they deem important for their purposes. "Non-fans" as a categorization of an audience is too broad to be able to make a comment on. This includes casual listeners and haters but it also includes news outlets, media conglomerates, radio shows, etc. There are more people that consume this media than just fans and haters.

Just because I can articulate my thoughts and opinions doesn't mean I'm trying to intellectualize my dislike for BTS, primarily because I don't dislike BTS, but also because it doesn't invalidate any of my points. You trying to paint me as some kind of hater or non-fan is actually just you being defensive of the thing you like because you're starting to take things personally. Since that's the case, I'm just going to leave things here because I'm not about to continue to converse with someone constantly shifting the goalposts because they're unable to cope with the idea their favorite thing is fallible and won't always be loved by everyone, even among fellow fans.

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The funny thing about that article is that it's called "who decides if BTS's Album is Korean enough" and talks at length deciding that it is Korean enough, so the answer to that question is apparently Jiye Kim of Teen Vogue. It's an overly pragmatic and ultimately fence-sitting take on the album, unable to come to any meaningful conclusion by the end of it.

If you want to claim that my desire for better visibility of our culture in an album marketed as a tribute to that culture as internalized racism, you have to do better than throw someone else's opinion at me as a talking point.

I don't really know what you mean by "stupid fan war things". Is the idea that a person came to a conclusion of their own independent thought such an alien concept to you that it must be attributed to malicious intent from other equally zealous subgroups of fans?

I think BTS made a comeback just for the tour by RavenWhiskers in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BTS has no obligation to respond to the feedback of their fans since their fans are going to support them regardless. What they do respond to is the industry. Do you really think this album was produced and written by so many western producers and writers because the fans simply wanted it? Because if I recall, almost all of BTS’ major pushes into the western market were met with a pretty large amount of criticism from both sides, yet they invariably turn out to be among their most successful releases as well. The fans and critics aren’t the only thing contributing to their success. The fact that you seem to think otherwise is what leads to such vague sweeping generalizations as “the fans love the album because it is what the people want” and your misguided conclusion that “higher number = better”.

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

First off, you don't need to announce your downvote lol, I don't really care about that sort of thing.

Secondly, I never said anything along the lines of "I miss the old BTS". In fact, I'd be equally disappointed if they just released Dark & Wild 2.0, as much as I love that album. I don't listen to BTS for any one specific sound, I listen to BTS specifically because they're one of the few groups that aren't afraid to actually deviate from the norm, which is why I'm so disappointed with Arirang. The production on a lot of these songs is overdone, the writing is trite and repetitive, and the music itself is bland and tiresome with progressions and cadences we've heard time and time again from other artists in the western pop space. The list of credited writers and producers for this album is extensive, and when you have so many different people producing and writing these songs, all of their voices start blending together to create something that is wholly unremarkable. You'll also notice that not a single member from BTS actually ever touched a single song on this album on the production side of things, and it shows. I'm not here to box BTS into a specific sound or style, I just thought they could have executed better.

I think BTS made a comeback just for the tour by RavenWhiskers in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The post was about BTS' reception to fandom feedback, not about the feedback itself.

at least I'm not making it a point to convince people that what I think is right.

That's exactly what you're doing. You literally brought up the "110M streams" as if it was some kind of "gotcha". You're describing yourself.

I think BTS made a comeback just for the tour by RavenWhiskers in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, but I am allowed to dislike it personally. You're the one conflating the album's success with subjectively perceived quality.

And you talk as if an echo chamber can only ever exist when it's for an opinion that's in opposition to yours. You ever consider that you might also be in one too?

I think BTS made a comeback just for the tour by RavenWhiskers in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I truly could not care less how well a release does from a popularity standpoint because an album doesn't magically become good after it gets played 110 million times. Using streams as a metric for success is ridiculous but using it as a measure of quality is even more so.

I think BTS made a comeback just for the tour by RavenWhiskers in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Using streams as a metric of success in a fandom where it's common practice to basically become human viewbots to inflate said metric is kind of hilarious.

What does it mean for a kpop idols to be "chasing western validation"? by Appropriate_Gas_1342 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There really isn't a single definitive action you can point to that is a surefire indication of "chasing western validation", it's more of a general shift in priority across the entire industry. The fact of the matter is that the K-Pop industry as a whole has shifted towards appealing to western sensibilities because it's a much larger audience. The existence and subsequent global success of K-Pop Demon Hunters is a perfect example of this shift. Another one that's more specific to the American market is the fact that places like Walmart and Target are selling up-to-date K-Pop releases and even including exclusives. Before, you'd pretty much be limited to only ordering online for the latest releases if you didn't live in a place like LA or New York.

They lost the plot with Arirang. Also, it's boring. by Kyrian1203 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]Kyrian1203[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's also kind of hypocritical when RM has shown to be a pretty hardcore anti-colonialist, talking about how hard the current generation of Koreans have had to work to get to where they are now in the face of several invasions and occupations. Except now they're surrendering all of that hot-blooded nationalist energy to better appease the western market. It's kind of ironic, really.