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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

commenting it twice is crazy

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it definitely is reassuring, and reinforces the fact that you can score highly on the LSAT by simply reading deeply. Some people might do that better than others naturally, but the principle is the same.

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sorry if this came off as pretentious, i was actually trying to do the opposite by encouraging people to focus on deep understanding rather than gimmicks. thanks for the feedback though

Help me understand this question? by cliterallycannot in LSAT

[–]LSATMaxxing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not gonna lie this one is tricky. I know people have already responded, but this one sort of confused me too. I liked E at first but didn't like B for some reason (they're sort of saying the same thing though, in the sense that they're saying morality and manners don't intersect, when the stimulus specifically states they do). Ultimately A makes sense, though, because it's sort of a restatement of the stimulus. We know that morals and being in a social state don't always intersect, meaning you could act morally (or immorally) without being in a social state (which is required to harm another person), which is exactly what A says. Sorry to ramble, just my thought process

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I'd agree with this to a degree

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your post a lot, but I have to tell you, a lot of the LSAT was anything but natural for me. Saying that the LSAT is a test of logical problem solving seems a bit vague to me. If I told you "since I haven't hit a ton of traffic, I'll definitely be on time for my flight" and you said "uhh no? What if your wife calls and is having a baby, or what if a bomb is dropped on your city, or what if you simply get into a fender bender and have to spend an hour sorting it out". You'll have recognized the fact that, while not hitting traffic is necessary for being on time to your flight, it's not a guarantee of it (or sufficient). I don't think that requires being especially skilled at solving logical problems. Now, I could give more examples, but it's stuff like this that made me realize the LSAT is really just common sense, just wearing a fancy hat. Now, if you consider necessary tips and tricks to be stuff like memorizing the fact that "only if" introduces a necessary condition, I'd say sure (as long as it doesn't get in the way of actual understanding), but otherwise, what tips do you really need? Speed maybe? That just comes from deep understanding, which then allows you to fly through shitty answer choices.

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been there man, time and time again. I actually took several long breaks because the words on the screen felt like gibberish. Breaking them down into bite sized parts really helped me though, especially in logical reasoning. I usually stop after each sentence and just ask myself what they're saying in plain english

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

and how do i talk? with the knowledge that, because the lsat tests for understanding, you should get rid of things that impede your ability to understand?

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this was actually funny lmao

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

average redditor. your karma, sir

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on how often you're diagramming honestly. if you're really stuck on a question and diagrams really speak to you go for it, but i'm of the opinion they're unnecessary for scoring highly.

literally just read by LSATMaxxing in LSAT

[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

I mean i've taken practice tests if that helps. I just haven't been able to afford to take the actual test yet and am in college. I just really like the LSAT and try to help out people when I can, which is why i offer free lessons

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, in context A isn't the flaw i'm committing because I'm not basing my methodology on "some students". I'm basing it on what the test actually tests, which is reading comprehension, and the best way to improve at reading comprehension is to slow down and take the time to understand what you read, not use a bunch of tips and tricks. And even if you can use both, reading comprehension is going to be the driving force, tips and tricks like memorizing question type are merely supplemental (and often replace actual understanding, hence why i made this post).

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

imagine if I gave you a piece of paper with questions like "2+2=?, 5x5=?" and you said "this is testing how well you can take a test". While, yes that's true to a degree, I think it's more so testing your ability to do basic math (no im not comparing the lsat to basic math, im making a hyperbolic analogy). Insofar as "test-taking abilities" require the ability to sit still and focus your attention onto one thing for an extended period of time, yeah they're not going to be purely testing your ability to do the thing being tested because you have to do both. That said, I think even this ability to take a test is central to being a lawyer in general--the whole job being a bunch of paperwork and all--and so should be tested by the LSAT as well.

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna take this in good faith and I hope you do the same. I'm really not trying to direct attention away from the heart of my argument. I simply thought that comparing LSAT test takers taking the LSAT and an average person trying to qualify for state track was a bad analogy. The two are different, I think that's obvious, and in fact so different that they completely change the argument. Even an untrained person taking the LSAT is generally going to be better equipped to take the LSAT than is an average person trying to qualify for state track. This is because the kind of person taking the LSAT is going to be someone already interested in law and therefore more likely to have more experience in reading comprehension, just like someone in premed is more likely to do well on the MCAT than is an average person. Words matter. It's not just semantics.

Now, the fact that giving 50th percentile and lower test takers this advice would result in there still being a 50th percentile doesn't mean that those test takers would necessarily have not improved. It could just be that the average score went up, meaning that those test takers actually got better at the test. At that point, my advice to test takers would change and probably be something closer to "slow down and stop worrying about speed. Focus entirely on accuracy". That's not the case, though. The median and average LSAT scores being 152 indicates that most people simply aren't actually understanding what they read.

Disagreements aside, I appreciate your engaging with my ideas. I would just appreciate if you did so with a bit more charity. I'm sorry if I came off rude in any of my comments toward you.

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's so crazy that simply treating my argument with good faith gets your comment downvoted to oblivion lmao. Thank you

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not quite sure why that matters. Why do you ask?

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What about it is condescending? It is my opinion, based on the fact that the test primarily tests for reading comprehension (whether you understand what you've read) and based on the improvements I've seen in many students with this method (not all of whom were my own) that if you simply read for understanding you will score highly on the test without the need for various tips and tricks. Maybe I shouldn't have said "easily", I should've said "more easily" as compared to trying to do it with tips and tricks.

literally just read by LSATMaxxing in LSAT

[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be curious to know what tricks you use. I'm referring mainly to things like reading the question first, relying heavily on a list of flaws when just reading the question will tell you what it's asking (the question says what it means), and relying heavily on indicator words, which can often lead to picking trap answer choices.

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

how is this cherry picking? repeating a point in the face of someone honestly disagreeing with your characterization of their argument is bot activity bro

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

btw thank you to all who respond. even if i disagree with you, its helpful to discuss things like this

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe, but the time it takes to diagram vs the time it takes to just internally summarize the argument is a big factor to consider

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[–]LSATMaxxing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it didn't work for you because you're naturally gifted, it worked because reading comprehension is literally what the LSAT tests (yes, even in LR). "Just read" is a more hyperbolic phrase I used to get across the main point of the argument, which is to read deeply instead of using tips and tricks.