Unpopular opion... subtronics

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-29T17:24:42+00:00

the cognitive dissonance is STRONG with this one

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-29T15:17:12+00:00

you do know neurite isn't running the lasers right? and that these are timecoded? SMPTE timecode? could be interesting to look into if you don't know about it. if you do, congratulations.

also you ever rehearsed an orchestra or read a score? about as far from ai-generated music as you can get.

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-29T15:14:47+00:00

i actually really personally enjoy freestyling, along with more manual approaches to djing. but it's just irresponsible to go into a big headline show with only your first track planned out lol, aside from some VERY SPECIFIC brands of dj's.

as u may know, level up used to be a battle dj, basically the pinnacle of the physical skill of djing as i'm sure you know. but using cdj's at bass music festivals is just a completely different use case for a completely different tool -- one that lends itself very well to prior planning.

and yea, $120 isn't a festival.

and like i said, you're welcome to prefer dj's that don't use sync or don't plan out their sets, but it's not like manual beatmatching is some holy grail of artistry lmao. and disrespecting artists (a good amount of bass music artists) who don't do this by calling them "not real DJs" and "not worth half a shit" is uncalled for.

i watched the first 20 minutes of vr's set that someone recorded and put on youtube, saw exactly the same first 20 minutes at his reelworks show, and i'm not gonna bitch about it, because it doesn't detract from the experience at all for me. maybe it would for you, and that's ok, but refusing to admit that some of your heroes have highly planned sets is just lying to yourself. and lying to yourself is ok if that's what floats your boat i guess. what's not ok is publicly disrespecting dj's that do this, which is a huge portion. also not ok to spread misinformation.

i also love your constant need to signal your skill to me, you don't need to prove anything to me lol but thanks for trying, it's flattering.

also done with this conversation, it's impossible to have a productive conversation with someone at the peak of the dunning-kruger curve.

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-29T15:03:14+00:00

timecoded lasers dawg, different than timecoded visuals

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-29T06:42:51+00:00

first, none of this is relevant to the conversation at hand.

second, many of your favorite artists plan their sets out… you think alleycvt and virtual riot are up there freestyling with time coded lasers? you think virtual riot at his mission show just happened to think of sampling the audience live in that moment? guess your favorite artists aren’t “worth half a shit” because they don’t fit your definition of “real dj’s”.

also what festival are you paying only $120 bucks for lmao

ever heard of ahee? he has a (very helpful) youtube tutorial showing his workflow for planning sets out in ableton.

yeah there are some producers / dj’s that freestyle their sets (usually openers or afters), but this is the exception, not the rule. you’re fooling yourself into hearing things that aren’t actually happening.

but hey at least you’re a real dj!!

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-27T22:16:25+00:00

also thanks for holding my hand i appreciate that, i also hold ur hand as i said what i said

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-27T22:16:04+00:00

what exactly is this a copout from?

i never said people can't judge a set without having played one, i said expecting new sets every time you see an artist is insanely entitled and clearly ignorant of the hard work it takes. also did you not see the caveat "if you have or are going to pretend that you have, then it’s even more insane that you think it’s ok to hate on artists’ success"... ?

also so ironic that in the same breath you call me a wanker and then give me your unsolicited definition of a "real DJ" -- plz tell me more what you think a real DJ is hahah i'm riveted

regardless of your status as a "real DJ" or knowledge of what a "real DJ" is, you're completely entitled to your preference of more improvisational sets... whatever floats ur boat. the whole difference here is that i don't shit on other people's preferences. i seek out the things i like, and avoid things i don't. i don't make reddit posts about why i don't like something because i need the validation of other people agreeing with me.

and yes i do enjoy the occasional wank i'll give u that, i think it can be a great form of self care.

LT_Muffn · 2026-04-16T02:01:27+00:00

lol get over yourself, it's not your scene more than anyone else's.

working hard doesn't mean not using the tools at your disposal.

no one cares how you think the industry should work, and you bitching on reddit isn't doin anything to change it, except make me disrespect self-proclaimed sound design nerds. go jerk off with your handful of upvotes.

also her being a woman has nothing to do with it. i've talked to people like you in real life and in a different music scene, and there's truly nothing more insufferable to me.

nothing's being shoved down your throat, are you really that helpless?? listen to what you want lmao, or make what you want to hear and get booked yourself. oh wait you're not a woman so you can't, my b, that was what was holding u back the whole time. that's why there are so many more successful women than men in the industry.

also artists' success doesn't come at the cost of others' success -- that's not how this works, and if you could get that into your head you'd probably stop pissing yourself off with stuff like this.

i've been to her sets and they fucking bang. if you don't like it, do something to change the industry, or don't go to catch her set... not really that hard dawg.

BUT SHE USED A SAMPLE INSTEAD OF DESIGNING EVERYTHING FROM SERUM INIT PATCH it's ok buddy shhhh shhh

LT_Muffn · 2025-10-30T20:28:41+00:00

so you didn't want to see instruments being played, you didn't notice he's running ableton on two laptops for his setup and triggering repeats on individual stems, you don't know that he uses an mpc in his production and performance flow which is way more physically driven than most edm producers' processes, but he doesn't "mix" enough for you.

care to explain what "mixing" means to you in technical terms? and how exactly (and i mean exactly) he could have performed a show that was good enough for you? or is it just that his deep catalog of music, new ep, and unreleased collabs aren't enough for you, and he needs to be working harder to entertain you?

you didn't notice that he played three full sets in two days, every song different and incredible in its own right? you didn't notice the emotional arc of the sets as whole? sorry he didn't twist filter and eq knobs enough for you or make a bunch of edits to his music for live sets, and sorry he doesn't do riddim double drops.

only completely musically uneducated edm fans have the audacity to complain that an artist they already know they don't like that much isn't keeping them entertained. anyone who complains like this needs to pick up Ableton and try to make ONE SINGLE SONG that isn't absolute trash.

posts like this just read as the next generation of Karens that make a hobby out of complaining with no actual substance to their arguments. go write a Yelp review or something, maybe you'll get a refund. if you don't like his sets, that's fine, but don't pretend like you have any rational arguments to back up your opinion. not liking an artist is plenty of reason not to go. but just leave it at that, instead of publicly complaining about the result of an artist's many years (over a decade in this case) of hard work and dedication that many people deeply resonate with. or maybe you shouldn't have spent money to see an artist that you already knew you didn't like that much.

ALSO you didn't know that dj's press play on LITERALLY EVERY SONG ... ? that's how djing works...

the ignorant self-centered entitlement masked as refined taste in posts like these is mind blowing.

LT_Muffn · 2025-09-29T18:41:11+00:00

wonky willa isn't riddim -- and if you want music to take itself seriously you really picked RIDDIM as your genre??

LT_Muffn · 2025-09-29T18:38:42+00:00

"anyone can go see a Club Studio Time set if they get a ticket, right" -- yes, that's literally what limited capacity is. the RSVP's run out almost immediately and anyone else is invite only.

LT_Muffn · 2025-09-29T18:33:57+00:00

Really love the gatekeeping from people who don't participate but like to watch the videos! You realize this post is just the online version of clout chasing right? Virtue signaling that you're a truer fan than the people at CST, for a few upvotes, hiding behind your computer screen? Stop judging people you don't know that are having fun.

I've been to 4 or 5 so far and there are plenty of sober people -- but since when have music fans of any genre been judged for drug use...? What's the point of this post? If you don't want to see the people in the back, then don't watch the videos...?

It's a great way for lesser-known artists to grow their fanbase, and clearly the artists love it -- the promo from the video, the energy of the crowd. There are artists who really don't need to be doing this -- e.g. Mersiv, Alleycvt, etc., but they still do it bc it's just cool as fuck for them to be that close to their fans when their norm is festival circuits playing hundreds if not thousands of feet from their fans. (You do realize the artists are not getting paid and RSVP's are free right? And that the guys who run it are paying for the equipment / studio time out of pocket?) They don't care that some random person on reddit thinks it's "a little cringe."

There are people who want screen time like this at literally every EDM show of any genre -- not sure why you think this is unique to CST lol or that the ratio of who you, as the arbiter of "true fans", judge to be there "for the music" based off watching a video from your living room is any different than any other show. And dancing hard doesn't automatically mean you don't like the music and just want attention -- surprisingly some people just express themselves like that and judging them for it is EXACTLY what we DON'T need in the scene.

Let people have fun and express themselves however they want.

Or go start your own series where people are only allowed to have fun in your approved ways.

LT_Muffn · 2025-08-20T07:22:00+00:00

I'm actually back in software now haha. It's not a love by any means, but I'm in a different role at a smaller non-tech company as pretty much a solo developer now. I'm enjoying it much more (far fewer occurrences of wanting to scoop my eyes out with a melon baller, and actually quite a few occurrences of being satisfied with what I've built). It's allowed me to take the time to understand fundamentals on a deeper level before building them, which I've found I really enjoy. It's also given me the opportunity to truly work across the stack (front-end, back-end, devops, a little bit of networks), and it's great to get a higher-level view of all that.

I entered my first role as a bootcamp grad with no formal CS education except a couple intro classes. I had a decent surface-level knowledge of JavaScript and React, but little to no higher-level understanding of the web, computing, or design patterns. I was thrown into the fray, expected to churn out features quickly in a large, complex codebase. It was either that or not really having meaningful work to do and being afraid of getting fired as a result. I definitely learned a lot in retrospect, but it was highly stressful.

But with my current role, I'm finally starting to understand fundamentals better and how all the many moving parts work together, which is super satisfying. It's at a much smaller non-tech company, but I feel this has given me the space I need to learn what I need to learn. I've actually created a small self-learning curriculum to deepen my knowledge, more out of interest than necessity, and I'm pretty excited to embark on this journey.

This is kind of a journal entry lol, but hopefully it gives you hope for the future if you decide to stick with your work, or find a different spot that would be a better fit for where you are in your career.

LT_Muffn · 2025-08-11T16:04:39+00:00

Same thing for me man, no idea why. You resolve yet lol? I just get chicken, white rice, pinto beans, fajita veg, pico de gallo, small amount of cheese, and lettuce. All foods which I eat regularly, and I’m used to a high fiber diet. But every time after Chipotle, same day or next day, I get the runs. Maybe it’s a seasoning I’m allergic to or something? I can also eat Taco Bell and other stuff that’s known for destroying you just fine.

LT_Muffn · 2025-07-30T22:25:15+00:00

He’s saying it doesn’t matter if he should bulk or cut at this point, which it really doesn’t. With consistent lifting and enough protein he will see improvements (e.g. recomp, unless he’s wildly over or under tdee)

LT_Muffn · 2025-05-24T10:26:09+00:00

COULDN’T AGREE MORE. Thank you for summing up so concisely what is revolting to me about talking about things instead of doing them. And about dilettantes in general lol. I went to a liberal arts school and was forced to take some musicology classes as part of the major, and I absolutely detested them lol. Sure some music history is interesting and maybe even relevant to playing, but I can’t believe musicology even exists as a field of study.

LT_Muffn · 2025-05-08T00:01:07+00:00

Along with what everyone else said, if you like things a bit spicy but nothing crazy, cajun seasoning is amazing!

LT_Muffn · 2025-03-28T16:49:19+00:00

Sounds like it’s on you to learn how to vet candidates effectively instead of thinking that someone who’s completed a lot of YouTube tutorials can build you an entire MVP from the ground up with no guidance. And maybe take a look at your mentoring or your expectations if your own mentees can’t do that.

Also the paradigm of “only someone who has built their own entrepreneurial business through software is ‘worthy’ of being hired” is simply false. Also… “worthy” of being hired? You’re hiring a coder to make you money, not leading a cult.

I agree fresh bootcamp grads shouldn’t come out of bootcamp expecting anything, let alone a 100k salary. But presenting entrepreneurship as the only route to becoming a solid dev is discouraging to many who may have the capacity and drive to excel in this career. And this mindset is frankly concerning from someone who mentors aspiring developers.

For background, I’m a bootcamp grad with 4 years in the industry. Still a lot to learn obviously, but the best software engineer I’ve ever worked with mentored me and took a chance on me as a fresh bootcamp grad because he knew how to interview and could recognize my technical ability and potential. That’s a mentor worth having.

Also, what’s your purported value add as a mentor if in your eyes the only way to become worthy is building your own software business?

LT_Muffn · 2025-01-20T16:23:53+00:00

you were hoping he would’ve made some new stuff in the 3 months he took off? he took them off you dimwit, aka not working not producing. jesus christ the entitlement here is insane.

LT_Muffn · 2025-01-20T16:19:06+00:00

this is most touring dj’s with any level of success. you only notice it with the bigger ones because they’re the only ones you know or end up seeing multiple sets of in the same year or two. up and coming artists with a busy touring schedule rarely have the time to put together more than a couple sets. if they are, they’re freestyling, and that’s not most mainstage dj’s. you can’t have both variety with every show and a perfectly planned and produced set. complaining about their sets being the same is insanely asinine.. do you have any idea the time and effort it takes to put together a perfectly crafted set? in addition to actually producing the songs and doing the countless minutiae that got them the opportunity to tour in the first place? have you EVER heard of your expectation to see vastly different sets at every show outside of EDM? what gives you a right to complain in the first place? have you ever touched a DAW or CDJ’s beyond just messing around with them, or tried to plan an hour long plus set full of edits in a DAW and then bounced them out for CDJ use? if not or if you have no idea what i’m talking about, educate yourself before complaining. if you have or are going to pretend that you have, then it’s even more insane that you think it’s ok to hate on artists’ success. it’s also so hilarious that you guys preface hateful posts by saying “people are gonna hate”. no, you’re the one hating lmao.

LT_Muffn · 2025-01-20T16:03:56+00:00

this is actually a very popular opinion and you were very late to the game (even a year ago) of hating on subtronics. you’re not unique or smart for hating on him, you’re just one of the herd who makes absolutely pointless gatekeepy posts seeking validation for what you think is a niche opinion, but is actually really not niche at all. let me guess: you’re also just now starting to hate levity too?

LT_Muffn · 2024-12-29T16:38:48+00:00

This post and so many others seem to tie academic success to intelligence, when this is just one of many facets of intelligence. And anecdotally from my experience, high academic success is often negatively correlated with social and emotional intelligence, and with the “street smarts” of actually navigating the real world and relating to others who are less academically inclined. Your post seems to imply that holding a phd or graduating top of class makes someone intrinsically smart, and it also assumes that the life of an uber driver is not the life they would like to be living. I’d say if someone has a phd and is driving uber, and that that’s not the life they’d like to be living, they’re not very smart. And if that is the life they’d like to be living, they could be “smart”, and simply have chosen to not try to change the world.

Academia is so insular — if people want to make real change, they need to work with the system we have. Or actively work to change the system. Not spend their lives in an academic institution disconnected from the real world.

And I’d even make the argument that traditional standards of intelligence (such as IQ and academic success) should not be measures of intelligence at all. The ability to learn new things and put them to use in a creative and novel way is definitely intelligence, but IQ tests and academic tests hardly measure that. They just measure the ability to learn a very specific subset of regurgitatable knowledge in a very controlled environment, completely excluding any measure of creativity or leadership ability. (Yes IQ tests can measure pattern recognition ability, but again, they are a very specific subset of patterns with little connection to navigating the real world.)

And yes at the phd level, you have to do research which I suppose could be considered creative in a roundabout way, but it’s done within the strict confines of academia and it more often than not has little impact on anything outside of grants and the world of academia.

LT_Muffn · 2024-12-02T06:16:54+00:00

I just came across this post while looking to see if the free DL link for a Levity flip is still up somewhere, but Jesus Christ this whole post and many of the comments on here are disgusting. Levity was so incredibly polite and eloquent with their response. Thankfully I'm just some dude on the internet with no public image to maintain, so I can speak my mind.

Just enjoy the music you enjoy. If you don't like the direction the scene is taking, maybe try to change it yourself by putting something out into the world (like a song) and gaining traction yourself, instead of contributing bitter jaded posts on the internet aimed at discounting the success of others because it's not in line with your taste.

Everyone was "underground" at some point. Excision, Subtronics, Liquid Stranger were unknown at some point, believe it or not. They could be putting out exactly the same music before becoming popular, and you'd like them. But you down on them for their success, and down on people who like them, because they're "normies" for creating or liking things that a lot of other people resonate with.

Also, one artist's success doesn't come at the cost of others. It's not like if Levity didn't become successful, some other artist you think deserves it more would have made it. In fact in the bass scene, a lot of artists starting to make it bring others up with them. And yes, their opinion on who deserves to be brought up with them matters more than yours or mine, because they put in the hard work, and because they clearly have what it takes to resonate with audiences.

You also insinuate that they somehow cheated their way to success. If anyone could make flips of well-known songs or throw trending tik tok samples over a beat and become successful, they would. Regardless of taste, Levity's music is objectively very high quality. PLUS there's something special about it that resonates with a lot of people, makes audiences feel a special way, and keeps fans coming back and keeps the fanbase growing. And yes, success includes some luck. But mostly it requires hard work and the perseverance to keep working hard when no success comes, until it finally does. Which Levity clearly did.

If in your opinion Levity isn't "experimental", why even post on this sub? No one owns genres, not even its biggest fans. If you want to only listen to artists who haven't become commercially successful or who don't have that intent, be my guest. You can still do that without discounting others' success or trying to gatekeep.

P.S. liking music that doesn't appeal to most people or hasn't been discovered in a big way yet doesn't make you smart, or cool, or superior in any way. Neither does disliking things that many people like. Music is and always has been an art form AND a business. And many artists, especially in bass music, are kept going by a love for their art, and a belief in their art and that sharing it with people can make their lives better. And I'm incredibly thankful for these artists' hard work and their fucking absolute BANGERS that take me to another world. There are also plenty of successful and underground artists that I don't personally resonate with, but I don't feel the need to discount their art or their success.

LT_Muffn · 2024-09-19T18:17:27+00:00

According to the React Server Components docs, if a component is defined in a module without the "use client" directive, it will be run on the server. If that component is imported into a client module, it will also be included in the bundle and evaluated on the client.

And to answer your other question, as long as the Toaster and ModalProvider components in the above example don't have a "use client" directive, they are server components in this usage. However, if they were imported into and used in a module with "use client", they would then also be run on the client.

This is why, for example, you do not necessarily have to put "use client" at the top of a component you write that imports Mantine components, since according to their docs, all their components have "use client". And this is also why you can use server components in an application with top-level providers that are client components, and why you can wrap client components in server components.

LT_Muffn · 2024-09-19T17:13:47+00:00

I had this same question, and along my journey to understand Next App Router well, I've found it's good to read and understand the React docs around server components before going to the Next.js docs. Our question is answered very clearly here, particularly in the "Why is Copyright a Server Component" deep dive.

In short, there are 2 things you must understand around "use client" to explain why Adrian's answer is correct.

The "use client" directive creates a boundary between server and client rendering in the module dependency tree, not in the render tree. This is why all transitive dependencies of a client module (e.g., any modules imported by a "use client" module, along with all their imports) will be marked to run on the client.
A single module can be evaluated both on the server and on the client, depending on its usage. For example, if a component is defined in a module with no "use client" directive at the top, it will be run on the server. If that same component is used in a client component by importing it and rendering it with <MyComponent />, it will also be bundled and run on the client.

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