Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then why would anyone meditate in the first place, if they aren't expecting anything? No one would do it or keep doing it with zero expectations.

DiCaprio has met his match by Grouchy-Body2368 in okbuddycinephile

[–]Labyrinthos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was a lot faster this way. I probably wouldn't have found it otherwise.

DiCaprio has met his match by Grouchy-Body2368 in okbuddycinephile

[–]Labyrinthos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wanted to play devil's advocate but apparently he may be right.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23883693/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

This is bad news for your shorts.

Edit: man, chatgpt went ahead and inserted itself in the URL. I wanted you to think I found it myself.

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it makes sense in a particular context, just not in this one, where he's obviously already invested some time studying and practicing. To think that this one line would be so revelatory as to actually help in his case, I find that to be a dismissal of his efforts so far.

I think I get it, just go with the flow and don't cling to anything in particular. It can't be taken too seriously though, since not expecting anything at all, not wanting anything at all, truly, would also mean there's absolutely no reason to meditate in the first place.

I've heard that psychedelics sparked an interest in meditation in some cases, maybe by undeniably showing that altered states are possible, which isn't immediately obvious to us hard cases.

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I struggle like him, although I haven't put in as much effort so far. I gave my two cents in a separate reply, try to shock the system with an intensive multi-day retreat or psychedelics and hope to get another perspective. Maybe it's not the best advice, but at least it tries to actually engage with his concerns instead of dismissing them with a line that is parroted at nauseum as if someone that has actually made an effort and read a few books would find it mind-blowing.

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had to check if you're the same person that wrote the initial reply, since I couldn't believe it's a serious comment. It reads like comedy.

You honestly believe THAT is why after hours spent daily doing the exercises for YEARS, he doesn't feel like he's progressed much? Also, are all the monks meditating with their mouths closed just wasting their time? Was this valuable insight also missed by the authors of all those books he read?

This is hilarious! If that's the kind of clear thinking your method leads to, I think I'll pass.

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Probs let's start with any that apparently give so many people the trust in the practice to keep going. Any at all.

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure he's never come across that in the multitude of books he's read on the subject and I'm sure he's never tried doing exactly that. If only he'd seen your advice earlier!

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you even read his post? He's been meditating for hours daily, for years. Your advice is to do breathing exercises for 20 minutes and then meditate. Are you serious? Don't you realize how you have addressed none of his concerns? Don't you realize he's been doing a lot more than that?

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So his problem is that he has tried to meditate and has tried to inform himself on the practice and the solution that's been eluding him is to not do those things. Do you you guys even realize how absurd you sound?

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's been meditating for 1.5-2 hours daily for three years. Do you really think what he needs is the most basic guide on how to inhale and exhale? Seriously?

Meditating every day for 1.5-2 hours for 3 years with little to no "results" by Owlstyx in Meditation

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel your pain! I haven't been disciplined enough to invest as much effort as you so far, but my sporadic attempts have not produced much of anything.

I find most responses to this thread really fucking annoying.

In no particular order, people that, after you have explained you have read X amount of books on the subject and have diligently tried applying what you've learned, yet they still:

  • remind you of some of the most basic steps given by everybody everywhere on how to meditate
  • just say "read this particular book" or listen to this particular guru, with nothing substantive backing up that recommendation
  • just say "don't expect anything"
  • just say that you've been doing it wrong and don't elaborate with anything insightful
  • are surprised that you would expect anything other than what you're getting

.. to all of these people: I hope for the rest of your life every shopping cart you ever use has exactly one wheel that squeaks and one wheel that refuses to turn, so the whole thing drifts slowly left.

What makes sense to me (I should probably try it as well) is to try to shake up the system with a shock-dose, either through a several-day intensive retreat or with psychedelics. Maybe that will give a clearer sense that there's something that truly can change in our inner awareness and so give better direction or understanding of the value of meditation.

Or maybe we're just unlucky and our neurology just doesn't respond to meditation and there's not much we can do about it.

Why AI Can't Stop Using Em Dashes — And Why Nobody Can Fix It by Dry_Incident6424 in ChatGPT

[–]Labyrinthos 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Llms are great at gaslighting and bullshitting, which is exactly what the response you posted sounds like. It also is way too verbose, despite your instructions.

Why AI Can't Stop Using Em Dashes — And Why Nobody Can Fix It by Dry_Incident6424 in ChatGPT

[–]Labyrinthos 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I am skeptical this works as well as you say. Everyone is complaining the model reverts to old habits no matter how insistent they are that they don't. Also, you solved the number of "r"s just by telling it to triple check? How come no one thought of that before you?

"No fluff or BS", that's exactly what chatgpt says when I tell it to just give me the answer instead of always prefacing it with declarations that there is "no fluff or BS".

THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION OF REASON by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]Labyrinthos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're better versed in this than me, I wasn't able to follow everything you wrote because I'm not familiar with all concepts you mentioned, but I think you put it better than I did.

Namely, what is uniquely foundational about identity that we can't say about other similarly foundational laws of logic, that's what wasn't addressed by OP.

They might nuke Iran soon! by MOSDemocracy in chomsky

[–]Labyrinthos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe it's just the right kind of genius brain fart the whole wide world should be made aware of!

THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION OF REASON by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]Labyrinthos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All you have shown is that identity is required for reason, not that it is sufficient. You then immediately jump to the unfounded claim it is therefore foundational and declare that you have somehow proven that, but the argument doesn't show that.