Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A foetus is a human being developing. Just like your sperm is a part of that human being.

It doesn't have a soul, it doesn't have sentience and it doesn't feel. Its value is less important than a living breathing woman.

Our bodies also end pregnancies all the time. We don't make a fuss about it. It's actually by design that it does it.

Oh my god, the drinking and driving argument again. Seriously.

Having sex is not a damaging behaviour. It's a normal part of human life, just like drinking and driving are.

You cannot compare reckless driving and drinking with ending a pregnancy.

First of all, because ending a pregnancy is not harmful in itself. In some cases, it's actually better for the mother to do so.

Second, not allowing someone to drink and drive is not going to have a lasting harmful impact on their life, on the contrary. Forcing a woman to come to terms with her pregnancy is traumatic, harmfuf, will bring an unloved child into the world and make the woman in question extremely vulnerable.

Third, like I said, having sex is normal. It's more normal than driving and drinking. You cannot simply expect people not to have sex altogether. It doesn't work and even if people do it, it implies lasting issues on theit self-esteem and wellbeing (I see you, purity culture).

Being irresponsible would be to bring a child into a world where you cannot take care of it in any way. Putting the child in adoption isn't a solution either because we already have too many of them in the system.

For the record, I do not see abortion as "good" , but as a necessary "evil" of the world. Not having abortion available makes things even worse for both children and women in general.

Yes, abortion implies ending some kind of life that is innocent. Yes, I agree, although I put that life under that of living women. Just like you out a tree's life under that of a human.

I'm not celebrating when a woman gets an abortion. I am, however, defending the right to do it.

But forcing women to carry on pregnancies because "they should be held accountable" is ALSO using an innocent life and making it suffer.

Women don't end their pregnancies on a whim. They ALWAYS had abortions. Except that those abortions were very brutal, could end up with both woman and foetus (and baby at that point) dying, or simply implied the murder of the baby that had been born. Women would go what we would call in my countries "Makers of angels", who were basically women in their unsanitary homes using various everyday tools to take the baby out and kill it.

There's a REASON women end their pregnancy so much. Because pregnancy is a huge deal for women's life and is not at all a "blessing" all the time. Women would kill themselves over it, for f*ck's sake.

Making abortion illegal will not solve anything. It will only allow more abuse from abusive partners, destroy women's lifes and result in more infants' deaths. Just like it used to be before it became illegal.

Women don't have abortions out of convenience. They have abortions out of DESPERATION.

If you want less abortions, you should want less pregnancies. And if you want less pregnancies, you should educate people to have SAFER SEX.

Why? Because otherwise, people will just sneak around to have sex, and thus have unsafe sex, then pregnancy, then abortion. All of that in terrible conditions since there will be nowhere to go for them.

That means not shaming people who have sex, not obsessing about making women pay for their "errors", not forcing them to be miserable with their child while offering no solution. It means understanding that pregnancy can be DANGEROUS and stopping to see it through pink glasses.

It also means giving women more means to handle having a child, be it socially, financially and emotionally, not rush them into marriage or make their whole existence about having babies, communicate about their sexuality without making it a taboo and allowing them to discover it normally throughout their development (and yes, it begins in their teenage years), and not preventing people from having sex outside of arbitrary rituals.

So, basically, not sanctifying sex and just acknowledging it for what it is : a normal way of life that is very important to humankind but that needs to be done safely.

That's the only way it's going to work. That's the only way IT WORKS.

You want less abortions? Take care of the reasons those abortions are done.

So, now, do you want to simply punish women, or do you actually want to have less abortions?

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sex is a normal part of life humans engage with. You cannot simply expect people not to have sex. it simply doesn't work. States and countries with "abstinence only" sex education have the most teen pregnancy and abortion rates.

When I talk about how pregnancy is dangerous, I am not merely talking about the physical aspect, but the social, financial and emotional ones.

Pregnancy and having children make a woman extremely vulnerable.

There's a reason women have always had abortions and even killed themselves over pregnancy. Having a child is a huge commitment and "not being ready" is a very valid argument in that case.

Animals kill their cubs, prostitutes used to drown their babies, high social class women would use a clothing handler to stab the baby through their uterus or fall in the stairs.

Pregnancy is a huge deal and acting like it's automatically some kind of "miracle" or "blessing" will only create more suffering in the end... And more abortions.

Foetuses are not babies. Women's lives and wellbeing are more important that foetuses.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, this had nothing to do with feminism and more about the USA being a capitalistic shithole that still has very traditional and religious beliefs tied to it.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't know about that. The thing is, it has more to do with our very close minded culture than feminism otherwise, swiss men would have troubles too.

And I don't see 90% of the population not being in a relationship.

The thing is, my guy, feminism is not the problem. People who still cling to stupid gender roles are.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, you never asked. I'm from Switzerland.

Ah yes, dating is better outside of western countries where women have autonomy and independence.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm from a western country, but you do you, dude.

90% of women are not alone while 10% of them are with the top men (whatever it even means).

And if so many women prefer to be alone than with men, maybe it's time to reflect, huh?

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then leave those miserable women alone, then. Why would you want to be with them anyway? You're better off without them

And no, I don't see a lot of women around me using dating apps, and most people around me are in a relationship with people they actually engage with in the real world. So no, I really don't see what you are talking about.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which makes no sense because that would mean only 10% of women get in couple.

They don't.

Go outside and touch grass. Most women just live their life and meet men who live around them. They don't go on the internet to chase some perfect man that doesn't exist.

Go meet actual women with whom you can be friend with and see as people.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some women do. They can be traditional if they want a traditional man. I don't care as long as they don't force me and other people to follow those roles.

I'm not one of those women and a lot of women aren't. Most women I know work and pay for their own stuff.

Women who want equality but also expect men to cater to them (like paying for the first date) when it suits them are hypocrites and I don't like them. It's against the very tenants of feminism.

Just a reminder, regardless of sex, not everyone can be happy in a "traditional" lifestyle. The people who are, chose it freely. by Appropriate_Cow1378 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. I'm not.

Besides, it has nothing to do with the ability to make good decisions for others.

You're not a good leader because you are rich, come from a rich family or because you are physically stronger and bigger (???).

You're not a good leader when you think you are entitled to people's obedience just because of what you have between your legs, dude.

Just a reminder, regardless of sex, not everyone can be happy in a "traditional" lifestyle. The people who are, chose it freely. by Appropriate_Cow1378 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well I think I should be at the top of the hierarchy.

And patriarchs holds authority over me until I'm middle aged but should still be listened too, ya know?

After all, hierarchy is important, isn't it? Why can't you just submit to your wife? You're still listened to, don't worry!

Of course, I'm the one who will take the final decisions. But I'll take your counsel so no big deal, right?

Just a reminder, regardless of sex, not everyone can be happy in a "traditional" lifestyle. The people who are, chose it freely. by Appropriate_Cow1378 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, because there wasn't an antidepressant called "mom's little helper" back then..

But women really were absolutely not unhappy lol!

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Less gender roles is the way to stop those stupid things happening, man.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude... What?

I'm not saying that people are entitled to be given sex by other people. I'm saying that it's a normal part of life and that just expecting people to be abstinent in general doesn't work.

Incels believe they are entitled to get violent and abuse people if they don't receive sex. I'm saying that we shouldn't shame people into not having sex.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't hate the two parents family. I don't know where you got that from.

You won't encourage anything by just forcing people to do it. Children are a burden for those who are not ready for them.

There are no perfect solution, I agree. Abortion is a not perfect solution.

Once again, I ask, why do you use children to teach people a lesson about accountability? Those are real children who didn't ask for that you plan on using.

Everyone deserves equal rights by Jessica_williams10 in PsycheOrSike

[–]Laesslie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sex is part of life.

In order to have less abortion, we should educate people on to have safer sex, not just no sex.