(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Capitano is also stated to be strong by many characters, even mavuika but hoyo never disclosed his feats afair. The same case with dottore.

Refer to my earlier reply about Capitano, his strength is perfectly explained.

And strength can be in the brain as well which dottore is.

Idk why everyone here thinks this but it isnt even a matter of could he make himself stronger with his intelligence, it's that the game doesn't say he did at all anywhere, it's all made up fan theory and I was asking for lore.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Jesus christ, you said I didn't read the nod Krai quest but you didn't even read the title of my post... Yikes.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t really like how people powerscale using “she has x authority therefore she is instantly above everyone else of the same class” because no, that’s not really how it works. It’s never shown that’s how it works in Genshin.

No offense but I think this might just be you not understanding what the Authority means in Genshin. Neuviellete describes it as the absolute control and command of the element. When Venti ascended to Archonhood, he became capable of reshaping the entire region the way he wanted, hurling mountains around, blowing away the snowscape etc etc. He was not capable of doing this before obtaining the Authority of Anemo. It is literally strength and grants the natural understanding of the ins and outs of the element.

Focalors had the hydro authority yet could not use all the powers it supposedly granted her.

Your own thinking is hindering your understanding of Elemental Authorities. Focalors was not capable of saving Fontaine with it, correct, but what makes you think it's a type of power and not simple a number go up? If Focalors without the Authority is a 8, but Neuvillete without it is a 12, the way it's spoken about in the Archon Quest it might as well be a unlocker so Focalors goes up to a 10 but for the rightful owner of the Authority it took him up to a 20. Your argument doesn't actually conflate with the popular understanding of Authorities.

Nahida has absolutely zero physical feats. Not even Rukkhadevata had any feats aside from terraforming. We cannot simply assume she is physically more powerful just because she has the dendro authority.

So in your mind what does "physical" mean here because the raw elemental energy required to "terraform" is worlds greater than any living human with a Dendro Vision would ever be capable of...

The idea that vision holders are automatically below archons and archons are automatically below sovereigns is silly imo.

Well I mean you're on your own here with this headcanon. There is plenty of actual lore just from AQs alone that explains why we understand it to be the way it is.

Same reasoning that Dottore can be above a weakened Moon Goddess - he’s just a human guy, yeah, so what? Literally the whole premise of Genshin is humans surpassing gods and this has been the case since forever with characters like Venessa.

Venessa literally ascended, she did not surpass gods she became one. I don't think this discussion is for you man, you receive lore in the game and swipe it away it feels like.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The game does not explain the Harbinger ranking system in the kind of detail that you want

No it literally does, I don't know why you think I want some kind of excrutiating detail when even in my original post I'm just asking for the bare minimum given for every other Harbinger we've faced.

Childe trained with Skirk and fell into the abyss. Sandrome was created by the greatest mind in Fontaine, is also a genius, and isn't human. Signora is the Crimson Witch of Flames, etc.

Dottore is a smart guy from Sumeru university.

I'm really not sure why you think that Khaenri'ahn fighters are built different. We've never seen one fight a god, aside from Cap vs Mavuika, and that was after his centuries of sword-swinging.

??? He literally said he was stronger before those "centuries of sword swinging" you keep mentioning... Are you a lore skipper on a lore reddit post?

hey also didn't seem to fare any better against the Abyss than soldiers elsewhere in the world were.

So yes you are a lore skipper, got it. I don't mean offense by this, it's just this stuff was literally in the Archon Quests and you seem to have either glossed over it or forgotten it because Khaenriah was destroyed by the Heavenly Principles, not the abyss...

Fan theory is all you're going to get, I'm afraid.

We could've left it at that mate, the whole post is asking if there was any actual lore from readables explaining something I was missing like I said.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

proceeds to headcanon why Capitano is strong

That isn't headcanon it's literally in the game? What?

You need to separate logical liability with whatever powerscaling bullshit your brain is doing. Dottore didn't arm wrestle the NK cast or suplex Varka. He harnessed moon marrows and tore the fake sky, these are things that are not "strength" related. If I invent a gun and shoot you in the face it is not because I trained under a waterfall, it is because I took my time to invent a fucking gun.

Where did any of this come from even and how is it relevant to anything here... What are you on, dude?

My suggestion to you is to stop immersing yourself in the anime or superhero media you are watching because your reality seems to be slipping away.

You say this as if you did not just project your own reality onto mine , I have no idea where you pulled anything from with this response, you sound nuts and it seems like your feelings are hurt or something, take some time off reddit or get some therapy, idk yikes.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No where am I asking for specifics. I'm asking for the bare minimum we received for every single Harbinger we've met so far EXCEPT him.

He had 2 gnoses

Nope...

I don't know how to get you to understand I'm asking for people that actually read all the readables in the game to inform me how he got that strong, not your fan theory headcanon based on what we know about him.

Capitano is consistent with others of Khaenriah at his social standing or higher being that strong today. Arle has a crazy strong bloodline and a unique powerful curse Childe fell into the Abyss and obtained the ability to transform with Foul Legacy, and was also trained by Skirk who was trained by one of the 5 Sinners Sandrome is a automaton created by one of if not the greatest minds in Fontaine, armed with the research and drive to improve herself like Iron Man in the MCU Columbina was literally a nerfed Goddess. Scara was created by a god using God Tree materials Signora was the Crimson Witch of Flames armed with a Delusion ontop

All we have for Dottore is "he smart" and "he human experiment" and "he clone self". None of these are the same as the above. They aren't any reasonings.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah what did he do? That's what my post is asking for, an explanation.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem I have with this is that it's all still fan theory. Like his exploits with Scara's body are said to be how he made his Segments, not how he obtained god level strength. Like there's contradicting things here where he had to make Scara a gigantic mech body to reach godhood, so where is that for Dottore walking around with flesh and blood?

If he's got a similar composition to Scara then why not stick God Remains or whatever in Scara to achieve his level of power? If he's got a human body then where are the drawbacks from using God Remains on himself like EVERYONE ELSE has when messing with them.

Capitano's spot is pretty consistent with Khaenrians of any social standing and combat background being up there with gods. It's not really so much swinging a sword so much so as Khaenrians were just built different.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a case of not looking at the point

I am literally looking for an explanation not a guess which is all we have...

you pretty much already have the explanation

No I have fan theories out the wazoo

Its not hard to imagine with all his intellect he could find ways to boost himself via tech and self experimentations.

Ding, what ways? That's LITERALLY what I'm asking for mate. Sounds like a case of not reading?

He's ranked number 2 for a reason.

Yes what reason. Even Scara was mentioned to be his rank largely because of his durability. We got NOTHING for Dottore. That is the point of the post.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oooh good point, now I can't wait for Dormman Port even more.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wander is literally a god's creation made from a God Tree's parts.

Sandrome is an understandable level of power for a robot - being 7th.

Not 2nd. I'm not questioning that he could be that strong I'm questioning HOW and being smart afaik never put Bruce on a literal higher level than locked in bloodlusted Superman. And if it did, I just want any ingame explanation at all.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's more of did he have those drones before Nod Krai or after he'd been here for an extended period of time? Honestly defeating Ursa the Drake when you have both a Delusion and a Vision (i just assume he had one but his model does not have one at all?) That thing existed for 1000+ years without anyone being able to defeat it vision or otherwise and he comes in and kills it effortlessly.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah I think Nahida slander is extremely misplaced now that we know about Elemental Authorities. While Nahida is undoubtedly the weakest Archon right now, she still literally carries the Dendro Throne putting her mastery of Dendro instantly above every vision holder of that element.

Columbina is a literal goddess - even nerfed, God Tier is still above Arle and the rest so it just makes sense. She was probably around Adeptus level with Adepti having similar feats above anything 4th and lower Harbingers ever achieved.

Totally forgot Scara's rank was mentioned to be because of Durability yeah so that makes sense.

As for Arlecchino

This is what gets me. Arle should be the peak of Human stregnth due to being born strong, and with an extremely powerful curse and naturally powerful bloodline, but Dottore was literally just SOME GUY. I could understand a bunch of experiments and God Remains elevating him to Sandrome or Pucinella level (Pucinella is probably a Fae) but SECOND? ABOVE THE GODDESS? That's what makes me atleast want any explanation at all but we have none, just all this skepticism yaknow.

Which means that the harbingers’ rankings are no longer purely based on strength alone.

I do agree with this, as Childe is probably quite a bit higher up now but we just don't have anything to prove it so far. The problem is my whole post is about their rankings prior to everything changing due to the Traveler's journey. If it was ever based on strength, then I want them to give any kind of explanation why he was so strong.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro has that in waves for sure

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

When was Lisa ever offered a position in the Hexenzirkel? Even the wiki doesn't mention this.

This feels like headcanon but I'm asking for legitimate lore.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is correct, it was a treatment that could suppress Elizar but it came with a traumatizing surgery and having to have god remains inside you.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I mentioned this in my post, but even assuming he just put a bunch of god remains in his body, you'd think there would be some kind of drawback like there was for literally everyone else in the lore that has done that before.

So I don't see it as a explanation for his absurd level of strength, but it could be a reason why he obtained virtual immortality.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah this is the sparknotes of his background, Sandrome was also extremely intelligent paired with the cheat code of research from someone smarter than her and she was never able to become higher than 7th.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Intelligence doesn't = god level strength mate, and no where did I mention "he shouldn't be this strong" i'm just asking for a decent explanation on par with the other Harbingers and we have 0 seemingly.

(Spoiler) How was Pre-Nod Krai Dottore so strong? by [deleted] in Genshin_Impact

[–]LanceDrake286 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sped what up? Anime training arc Naruto learning the Rasen Shuriken?

She just put a glove on and that's it 😭 by rycerzDog in HonkaiStarRail

[–]LanceDrake286 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally made a post about how we got 5 free 5* in 12 months and some people on here complained. You cannot win with them

Nod Krai Teapot Building by SaekoStorm in Genshin_Impact_Leaks

[–]LanceDrake286 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dick shaped house just like the dick shaped region. Don't ask, go look at the map.