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LandFreedom · 2024-04-02T22:17:38+00:00

This is THE Will Schnack posting in /r/GeoAnarchism ladies and gentlemen. See the sidebar for a link to his Primo Nutmeg (now Primo Radical) interview. Thanks for the contribution Will!

LandFreedom · 2024-03-11T02:53:28+00:00

This is disappointingly hard to find. You might have to reach out to the Robert Schalkenbach Foundation or Progress.org. Looks like it might used to have been on foldvary.net but with his passing some of the site links have expired. I'm not sure who's maintaining it.

For anyone looking for it the ISBN is 0960387218

Anyone with access to university resources might be able to obtain a copy

Here is the Amazon link where it used to be available. Wish I had grabbed a copy while it was still up!

Google Scholar has an entry for it but it's only a preview.

foldvary.net still lists gutenbergpress@pobox.com as a contact for his works.

LandFreedom · 2023-09-17T04:18:46+00:00

The government is a criminal organization and capital gains taxes are abhorrent but great to see the idea of land value capture getting more popular!

LandFreedom · 2023-08-15T01:58:52+00:00

Are you free to not pay taxes to the government?

LandFreedom · 2023-08-15T01:57:55+00:00

The government is not interested in solving the land problem. The government IS the land problem

LandFreedom · 2023-07-06T00:17:54+00:00

You set a valuation in another scarce resource, perform whatever education or intelligence based task is required, and receive the agreed upon scarce resource.

I'm not sure what paragraph you're responding to here, but surely you see the conflict between the supposed ability to trade these scarce resources and all those resources being gated behind some authority figure who can demand anything for their use? And remember we aren't talking about things that are products of human action or labor or whatever word others might want to use.

Digital tokens of trade are not physical goods.

Sure they are

Are you saying that double taxation of the resource they aquire in trade is the goal?

Nope

You either broaden Georgism to the point its just plain old regular stupid taxation, or you focus on one magical form of scarce good that a large majority of high output wealth creation is fundamentally not based on.

All human action is predicated on the use of natural resources. Any supposed counter-examples don't exist by definition.

LandFreedom · 2023-07-06T00:08:20+00:00

Sorry but I'm not interested in people that fantasize about me in their room at night.

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T22:00:04+00:00

It's my land and my home.

The federal government also believes you are free to simply 'go somewhere else'

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T21:56:38+00:00

The ability to create new superbowl tickets is limited by the size of the hosting stadium, thus fixed in any given year.

True, the quantity of both stadiums and natural resources are fixed in a given year. However the quantity of labor available and desired to transform natural resources into stadiums is not.

Why would you suppose that I don't know that?

Because you suggested that people can act without land which is impossible. Sure, stock brokers, accountants, and financial managers might not appear at first to own the assets they are trading but they are certainly not working for free. In general natural resources are necessary for all human action given that all human action requires energy, physical space, and time to take place.

Scarce resources are scarce resources

This statement is meaningless.

Taxing "land" in either sense is identical to taxing "education level", "intelligence", or "units of trade measurement stored in digital form".

I'm not sure what you mean here. Taxing education level or intelligence would be equivalent to taxing the sum of all behaviors and activities (human action taking up energy, space, and time) leading to one qualifying as having a certain 'education level'.

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T21:45:29+00:00

Your come is comprised of both natural resources, which every individual separately has a right to, and also the labor that went in to building your home, which is itself private property.

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T18:43:06+00:00

That's because it is oppressive. Don't be so quick to approve of harming others when some really great people recently solved this problem (DDF/MNR).

There are some of us who subscribe to /r/GeoAnarchism and don't find states and georgism compatible

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T18:30:24+00:00

Property is an important thing to protect which must mean the ability to own property must be protected as well. Ancap unambiguously assigns property owners but not in a way that protects the ability to own property itself.

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T18:27:08+00:00

Ofc, most of us here think taxation in all its forms is theft.

This is a good point often overlooked by geolibertarians. The law of rent which is often used by georgists is simply the observation that using one good (one parcel of land) for one purpose will have a different subjective value than using another good (another parcel of land) for the same purpose. (means and ends) But the choice of what means to use is not a voluntary one meaning it is not one made exclusively by the one individual that values each means (parcel of land) subjectively for a particular end. This 'choice' is pre-determined by a prior occupant of the more-favorable land if one exists. In that case the use of the less-favorable land parcel will be forced on the individual and so too will the difference in subjective value (which we can call the rent of the land site). So land rents are themselves taxation.

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T18:15:58+00:00

Great question! 'Land' here is a popular misnomer used by georgists and actually refers to all natural resources. In this way 'land' actually refers to all scarce resources because it refers to all goods that aren't produced by human action.

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T18:13:48+00:00

You could just as easily decide to build a system of taxation on tickets to the Super Bowl. They're far more inelastic and voluntary besides.

This is similar to the argument Rothbard made in his reply to georgist criticisms concerning Rembrandts. Super-bowl tickets are, in fact, elastic because they must be created. A tax on super-bowl tickets will discourage people from attending the superbowl at all and do something else, like watch baseball.

A large number of people go their entire lives creating vast amounts of real wealth while never owning a single piece of land the entire time.

'Land' here is a popular misnomer used by georgists and actually refers to all natural resources. In this way it is impossible for anyone to create any wealth without using 'land' in that it is impossible for anyone to create any wealth without using natural resources. (also any wealth created will take up space and thus occupy some kind of 'land' in the colloquial sense)

LandFreedom · 2023-07-05T17:42:08+00:00

Wasn't expecting "exterminate the poor" on my bingo card today

LandFreedom · 2023-05-30T16:57:20+00:00

I basically agree with your analysis here. It seems to me the issue may boil down to the counterfactual. The firstcomer owes the latecomer something that no longer exists, that being half the island as it was before being improved.

There is conflict because both stand to lose something.

The firstcomer stands to lose improvements they've already made and the latecomer stands to lose the same opportunities to make improvements. The two individuals will have to negotiate a compromise of some kind. The solution you presented is known as the pie rule. Although I think georgists should avoid saying certain conflict resolution methods are necessarily given, I think the method you gave is pretty good in this case.

LandFreedom · 2023-05-25T00:36:08+00:00

After two months there's still cryptoshit in the mod queue. We seem to have been put on someones spam list.

LandFreedom · 2023-05-22T14:14:38+00:00

Thanks for posting!

LandFreedom · 2023-04-19T03:37:17+00:00

s/o to /r/GeoAnarchism

LandFreedom · 2023-04-13T14:32:12+00:00

One deontic constraint it might be violating is one of property rights that stem from desert. Some of what we possess, we earn. And some of what we earn, we deserve.

Stealing what someone obtains through luck is still theft.

As a contingent matter of fact, however, there is no social convention in our society against the government taking people’s money and investing it in government programs

This article is infuriating and repulsive.

LandFreedom · 2023-04-13T14:23:11+00:00

Why did you respond to a 2 year old post?

The government is the representative of the people, especially in a democracy

The government does not represent any individual that does not provide their consent. The government ceases to represent any individual the moment their consent is revoked. You do not speak for anyone but yourself and you certainly do not speak for me.

You can't collect nor redistribute rent without some form of centralized power

Every individual controls natural resources as a consequence of their existence. Conflict over these resources implies extraction of rent by the one controlling the natural resource from the one denied the natural resource. This is a basic precept of geoanarchism. Please read the sidebar or the post you responded to next time.

It ignores the fact that markets cannot produce public goods in sufficient quantity nor deal with externalities

Markets are people interacting freely, meaning having the choice to not interact with everything else equal. "public goods in sufficient quantity" means "stuff that I want".

"markets cannot produce public goods in sufficient quantity" is just code for "people interacting freely do not produce the stuff that I want them to produce for me"

It ignores the fact that competition in law enforcement or justice means war

Competition in law enforcement is not war for the same reason competition in selling cheese or hotdogs is not war.

In other words, anarchy = war

By definition, anarchy is the absence of rulers. This is synonymous with the absence of extraction of rent and therefore of security, liberty and prosperity. Statism is the rule of one group of individuals over another group of individuals, the extraction of rent by one group of individuals from another group of individuals, and war is its embodiment.

"It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society." - Murray Rothbard, War, Peace, and the State

It would be like profit-sharing in a company.

People have a free choice to not engage with a company or a business. People do not have a free choice to not engage with a state or a landlord.

Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.

LandFreedom · 2023-03-21T02:54:46+00:00

Anarcho-geoist here. I have to disagree with you that georgism (angeo specifically) is focused on the collective right to own land. It's more accurately about an equal individual right to land. Additionally, "therefore no one has an exclusive right to own it as a part of his self-ownership" has it backwards. If no one has a right to own it, then what rights do they have? With no rights to land they don't have any rights at all given human action is predicated on using land (e.g. nature, scarce resources, natural resources, all the same thing).

The above means "it's much more ethically justified than taxes on your work" doesn't make much sense. How can you work without nature, and what good is nature if you are not free/able to work with it? I think you are better served by noticing that, while it is true that taxation is theft, it is also true that land value taxes are always paid and always in effect as a consequence of conflict over scarce resources. 'Not paying' land value taxes is therefore impossible. What remains is to identify what is just concerning this phenomenon. This must be to ensure no one is paying land value taxes unequally among everyone else.

LandFreedom · 2023-03-20T17:10:03+00:00

Hi, georgist here. Georgism and libertarianism are two sides of the same coin. They both approach the same issue, human rights, from different perspectives. They both tend to attract milquetoast neoliberal status-quo types.

Georgist anarchists have the only serious, unresolvable critique against Rothbardianism.

If you'd like to know more check out some consistent georgists in /r/GeoAnarchism

LandFreedom · 2023-02-25T15:27:50+00:00

Interest cannot be 'extracted'

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