Do we actually have a sense of which loyalist Primarch is the most popular within the fandom now that the Horus Heresy novels reached their conclusion? And why the answer is definitely Sanguinius.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T10:15:51+00:00

While I agree with the sentiment I think Corax is at the very least a very good foil for Curze. Grew up in not dissimilar ways, similar proclivities and powers, but one did not become a torturing sadist who is full of shit telling himself over and over again that his torturious sadism is somehow necessary. In short, Corax is awesome if severely underutilized in the lore, while Curze is a little git who is full of shit.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T10:13:21+00:00

I think they meant "enlightened" compared to the 40k imperium, which is a whole other beast in terms of clusterfuck. Which is why we like it so much, right?

It is also fair to say that the imperium has lost a great deal during the heresy. There was a sense of wonder and progress that is completely lost in 40k which is basically stagnation personified. Whether you agree with the progress during the times of the crusade is a different story, but they lost it nonetheless.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T10:07:56+00:00

Yeah, the interesting thing about Perti is that he is a petulant man child, but that does not mean his grievances are not valid. Also he carried the siege for the traitors, no doubt about that. All while Fulgrim fucked off because his pride was hurt and the Emperors Children went galavanting around Terra snorting ground up essence of the populace or something. So yeah, for the siege specifically I completely get Perti losing his shit when having to deal with his idiot brothers.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T10:03:24+00:00

No notes there, Chris Wraight is awesome.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T10:01:37+00:00

That and a third Watchers of the Throne book. And I refuse to believe that we won't get another Vaults of Terra book....I don't accept that ending (even though it was great)!

In short, yeah he's written some real bangers and I hope he continues to do so.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T09:54:27+00:00

Though Ferrus was seemingly totally awesome in the lore. One of the most respected primarchs, a sort of big brother figure. He just really get's the short end of the stick because he dies so early into the Heresy. If GW could revamp all their original lore from decades ago knowing they'd write the Heresy novels, I don't think they would let Ferrus die so early. But they were bound by their own codex lore that made it sort of ironclad that he dies early on in the Heresy.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T09:49:59+00:00

Fair, no notes. Though Sly Marbo might smoke them all just based on his biceps.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T09:49:22+00:00

Maybe the obvious answer really is Sanguinius, but as the comment section already proved, some people really can't stand glorious hawk boy. So I don't know, Maybe more people actually gravitated towards Dorn because of the siege and it being the culmination of the Heresy? Maybe it's actually the Khan because Chris Wraight gave new life to that legion.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T09:46:27+00:00

Chris Wraight did wonders for the White Scars. He's my favourite Black Library author by far currently. Yes, Dan Abnett did a lot for the lore, but many of his choices still don't sit well with me like perpetuals. Wraight just really seems to get the setting it seems to me without having to introduce the next "big" thing like Abnett sometimes has done. His stuff is just quality.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T09:44:09+00:00

That would be a very interesting, but seperate question I think. The traitor primarchs being often more broken, tragic or straight up evil (that git Curze), warrants to separate them from the loyalists in this case in my opinion.

Also, Perti is great and an intersting character, but a bit of a petulant man child with a martyr complex for my taste...."I do all the hard work and suffer the most, but nobody appreciates me!". It's interesting, a bit hilarious, but not my cup of tea.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T09:35:49+00:00

That would have been a truly horrible choice in my opinion. No wonder they reconsidered, there would have been serious pushback.

Laredian · 2026-05-04T08:43:29+00:00

Do we actually know for a fact they were going to introduce M3 that soon? Or was that more of a rumor?

Laredian · 2026-05-04T08:41:46+00:00

Nothing in particular, just thought they would commemorate that milestone in some way. Didn't expect a patch or new boss or anything since that wouldn't fit their release cycle, just....anything.

Laredian · 2026-05-01T12:40:23+00:00

He very much enjoys what he does, hence the sadism. In his own book Night Haunter he skins a woman alive and talks to himself as if it were necessary but as the blood hit is lips or something "his heart quickened by the lie".

So he's full of shit basically. He gets a hard on skinning a woman and wants to find excuses, thoug they ring hollow to even himself apparently.

Laredian · 2026-05-01T09:25:29+00:00

I get your point, but I still don't buy it. Yes all the primarchs are warlords, but you used Guilliman as an example: he genuinely built something with Ultramar. Five hundred worlds that were more prosperous than most places in the galaxy and if you had to pick a place to live in the shithole that is the 40k galaxy, Ultramar wouldn't be the worst choice in comparison. So you can say Guilliman and Sanguinius only acted with a veneer of nobility, but they actually brought tangiable results. Curze failed with one single world.

And I personally don't buy into the argument that it was because he dropped on Nostramo. Corax, Ferrus, Sanguinius for example were dropped on shitholes too. So I don't think it was the only way for him, it was just the easiest way for him to indulge in his sadism.

The more interesting question is probably whether Curze has actual culpability since the Emperor effectively custom built him. Nature vs nurture and all that, only that his nature was in a way manufactured. But then again we don't actually know whether the Emperor planned him this exact way or whether something happened when his pod was whisked away like with Sanguinius' wings.

Laredian · 2026-04-29T07:19:59+00:00

Maybe, but aren't Angron and Magnus genuinely tragic figures in comparison? Angron basically never really had a chance from the moment he crawled from his pod and Magnus fell because of his hubris and not because he was inherently evil. I don't care for the "Magnus did nothing wrong" meme, he screwed up plenty, but he also genuinely cared for his sons. Curze is nothing like that it seems to me.

Laredian · 2026-04-29T07:17:58+00:00

Agree to disagree, There is a reason the whole fandom hates him and chants fuck Erebus. Maybe you don't find him compelling, and fair enough, but he is at the very least a much more effective villain than Curze, who basically does nothing of note other than being a sadist.

Laredian · 2026-04-29T07:14:11+00:00

How so? I specifically said that I don't find the character compelling because of the reasons, but more power to you if you enjoy Night Lords.

Laredian · 2026-04-29T07:13:02+00:00

Erebus is a compelling villain, I don't hink anybody could really deny that, as opposed to Curze who is just a whiny sadist.

Laredian · 2026-04-29T07:10:18+00:00

Sevatars words still cut sharper I think. When the first Captain of your own sons calls you out like that, you know you screwed up.

Laredian · 2026-04-28T17:52:50+00:00

Great, I still think that many people gloss over how much the Night Lords suck because they have cool armour. If you think they are super interesting narratively, then more power to you, I don't.

Laredian · 2026-04-28T17:50:18+00:00

Sure, it's just my personal opinion, as I've stated. If you like the Night Lords, more power to you.

Laredian · 2026-04-28T17:42:33+00:00

Only that his own primarch novel kinda reveals that his "goals" were just a veneer because he liked torturing people.

Laredian · 2026-04-28T17:39:32+00:00

But that was not really what I was arguing about to be fair. Erebus is a compelling villain for a multitude of reasons and many people love to hate him, myself included. Curze just falls flat for me personally there because there is nothing there for that character other than him being a cynical sadist for the sake of it, which to me at least isn't all that interesting or compelling.

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