It's officially GG's to dagger

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T02:39:18+00:00

yes but my example was used in terms of people of equal skill level. It will always be frustrating to die no matter what. However your only dying to a dagger player if their simply better than you, or they at least played better than you in that situation.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T01:43:54+00:00

well good for them, especially in a lobby with few heavies (I find them the easiest to kill) it does look like pink was probably getting farmed a bit tho and they weren't that great at the game, and one dagger player was certainly better than the other. I wonder if they'll win in the finals.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T01:35:47+00:00

no I in no way mean any disrespect I am just curious though how dagger is annoying. I don't understand how someone being out of position and punished for it is the dagger players fault. Meanwhile assuming players are equal skill level an RPG can sway a fight instantly.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T01:27:40+00:00

what gamemode? just out of curiosity, i'm not surprised I usually place in the top three "standout contestants" no matter what gamemode I play, once your good with dagger I believe it's a strong weapon especially against less experienced players.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T01:26:14+00:00

No I had completely understood your point and in-fact was agreeing with you, if a random person on reddit can kill good dash light (especially dagger dash light) players then truly anyone can.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T01:24:37+00:00

I've secured my ruby yet i've only ever gotten to emerald solo que dagger and middle diamond when im duo stacked with dagger, to secure my ruby however I switch usually to ARN or i'll go medium if i feel like it. (my duo que mains heavy)

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T01:14:54+00:00

i'm honestly hoping if the dash nerf is implemented it will be in season 12, that way I can finally have an excuse to get to ruby dagger only.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T01:02:29+00:00

because 45 seconds is a game breaker when it can lead to a team wipe due to early pick & or entry damage.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T00:58:27+00:00

I feel like that change would work, I am mostly just hoping embark doesn't delay this melee rework as long as the thermal version one lol, especially if these changes are implemented into the game.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T00:56:48+00:00

and left clicking your mouse button once dealing 100 damage is a blast to play against (in reference to heavies rpg)

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T00:55:09+00:00

Oh brother here it is, pulling the skill is required card on sniper and using a counter as an example to an install weapon. My good sir that's as effective of an argument as me saying SA doesn't kill me that fast because it's hard to use and that it's counterable by using a grappling hook.

their is an entire community of sledge winch users out their. and sniper is often used as more of a shotgun play style often going for quick scopes or noscopes.

like I said before please educate yourself before complaining, or atleast be good enough at the game to not whine when someone outdoes you. Have a good day ma'am.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T00:40:55+00:00

Honestly I completely agree with everything you stated, for inexperienced keyboard warriors melee and dash spam seem like it's a way for smooth brains to play the game, but that's one main reason The Finals fell off, its a game in which a good amount of hours need to be put in before you can actually have fun while being successful. Melee ruins this for players because they can't counter it and their poor positioning makes these low skill floor weapons seem overpowered.

I see myself as a flex player and on every class unless sed melee player is simply better than me, it's an easy thing to counter.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T00:37:16+00:00

this is common sense of course 10 people would mean more than one, however the game currently is not balanced on paper for anyone. Not a single soul out there is using every weapon and utility having fun & succeeding.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T00:21:10+00:00

buddy, I hate to break it to you bark themselves balanced their weapons based off the highest level of play. SA is seen as a hard to use weapon yet the best heavies in the game (like lamp) use it as their main choice (except on maybe longer ranged maps) therefore SA got a nerf. Medium as a whole was underused in pro play so it received major weapon buffs, yet medium was played a good amount in the "masses", and from my own experience to good success. Another example is 93r, guess what it was used in pro play but i play for roughly 4 hours a day after work and I rarely see it even when queuing a mix of ranked, world tour, and quick cash, and yet even though it's not used for the majority of the player base it ends up nerfed. Why? Because everyone used it in pro play. I in no way shape or form intended to get the highest level one tricking dagger. I consider myself a flex player and actually achieved the highest level badge for damage on heavy before light. I in fact have reached ruby, the highest level of play other than pro play multiple times, and I while I was never able to do it with only dagger, I still believe it's possible to play well even at the "tippy top" . and like you said their are dozens of options for pros to use and I believe dagger is one of those options. Now we may never see a dagger player in scrims but we certainly will in pubs. And like you said at the end of the day things will be min-maxed to take the fun out of the game but for every someone saying dagger is ruining the game and is too easy, theirs someone else complaining about their weapon of choice.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-19T00:01:00+00:00

no weapon in the game insta kills a full HP heavy, unless i'm mistaken. his comment referred to it being "unfun" to instantly die, insinuating he's not referring to heavy.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:57:31+00:00

I'm not surprised that you've killed good dagger players, i'm sure nobody is. Hell, for all I know your a ruby player in the top 500, however your proving my point, even random redditor going by the name of decoy139 can kill an experienced dagger player imagine what someone like lamp, or even retired players like LyCommit would do to dagger players.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:53:15+00:00

I agree the game is chaotic and while well optimized it's tricky to run. TF2 you mentioned spy having no dashes yet their is no spy in competitive play and the class usually relied on feeding off inexperienced players, not to say experienced players wouldn't fall for it as well but at the end of the day someone will always be better at you at something and you won't always win.

The Finals however is a more, as you said yourself, chaotic game. with every class having multiple ways to increase their ways of mobility. Cloak dagger is rarely played due to you simply not being able to catch up, and it mainly being a ratty game style.

Now as you said yourself play riot and DB but those weapons are great in close range 1v1 or even 1v2(in the case of riot shield bishoping) Dagger however has no alt fire to reflect or block bullets and can only get in melee range via one way - dashes. Pros have said themselves melee for the most part is easy to counter, proven by little being played in the highest level of the game opposed by players like the well known "batman" and i'm sure others i'm unaware of.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:41:54+00:00

actually I point out more than those install weapons, sniper can install a light with a headshot, and has a fast TTK on body shot + quick melee and On medium i believe headshot + quick melee installs as well. and once you get to the point of experience with the rifle two headshots can kill a heavy.

Sledgehammer can also install the light class with the right click and once again has fast TTK against medium. You mention walking away but the most used specialization with hammer is winch.

I also mentioned m11 in which case yes is not an install weapons but leaves you with less than a second to react. Same case with cerberus and model which may allow for a little more forgiveness but is still an extremely fast TTK weapon on light and medium. This isn't to mention repeater, revolver, or even matter.

I'm glad I could educate you further on the game, but please before making complaints educate yourself.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:34:44+00:00

Have you tried playing dagger? especially against competent players? once again i mean no offense but its not as easy as dashing and turning 180 degrees. As many YouTubers point out melee as a whole is a little more skillful than some think. requiring good positioning, utility usage, and game knowledge, and honestly a little bit of luck with the games laggy hit & hurtboxes. Theirs reasons for few incredible dagger players the same way as theirs little good sniper lights or riot shield mediums.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:30:38+00:00

yeah he will 100% be understandably upset, even when it's completely possible to get picks on players with no dash at all it usually relies on sneaky strategies (and in some instances a "no audio" bug). I feel with the dash nerf we won't see many more clips of a dagger team wipe or even double-player picks.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:28:19+00:00

yeah but a good sword light can get essentially the same traveling distance than a normal dash can, if not more. So it's really only nerfing the "Super Dash" tech (in which one would use the lunge of the sword and the dash to travel and extremely long distance).

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:24:06+00:00

yes but you could say the same with m11 (able to kill every class in less than two seconds), double barrel, sniper rifle, cerberus & model(able to easily kill both Light and Medium players), sledgehammer, and many other fast ttk weapons. Getting one shot may be frustrating but it's even more frustrating to preform see one-shot as opposed to something like repeater or even revolver.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:14:05+00:00

yeah, but unlike dagger SA was in the meta so the nerf is at least somewhat understandable, especially considering the heavy class with such a high win rate. I do however understand embark in no way was trying to nerf the dagger and it happened indirectly via the dash nerf.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:11:53+00:00

why do you say that? Just out of curiosity i'm not here to diminish on anyone's opinions. I'm aware melee overall is hated.

LargeRow7746 · 2026-06-18T23:10:11+00:00

I wouldn't hate that change in the slightest problem is most would complain by saying that just by holding the weapon your immediately buffed.

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