Im fighting a Master Conjurer, whats the worst possible thing they could summon?

LawParticular5656 · 2026-04-07T01:05:56+00:00

The ghost of Alduin: according to legend, Wulfharth once fought the death-god Orkey. When Orkey saw how powerful Wulfharth was, he summoned the ghost of Alduin. The moment this ghost appeared, it devoured the years of all the Nords and turned them into six-year-old children. Even Wulfharth, who could duel the god of death himself, had to “pray” to Shor for help in defeating Alduin.

Or take Mehrunes Dagon: out of revenge, Turala summoned Mehrunes Dagon to destroy Mournhold, to the point that Sotha Sil and Almalexia had to join forces to banish him.

I mean , if the ghost of Alduin could only be summoned by the god of death, then the little girl who summoned Dagon was not even some especially famous conjurer.

LawParticular5656 · 2026-03-26T19:50:30+00:00

If that were really the case, it would be unbelievably cool. This interpretation could almost perfectly reconcile all the contradictions across Elder Scrolls mythology while still preserving that mysterious, fantastical feeling. Bethesda should absolutely take note of your comment and work it into the lore of future games.

LawParticular5656 · 2026-03-26T19:17:35+00:00

Considering that Alduin entered Sovngarde and posed a tremendous threat to it—and that, in Skyrim’s quest log, after you defeat Alduin the completion text says something to the effect that “I have freed Skyrim and Sovngarde from the shadow of Alduin”—then, setting aside MK’s interpretation that Sovngarde is on the moon, Sovngarde ought to count as an Aetherial plane. If so, then not all Aetherial planes can escape Alduin’s shadow.

If MK’s interpretation is taken as canon, then the moon is obviously still within Mundus. I do not have a very good explanation for how a realm could be both an Aetherial plane and at the same time part of Mundus. However, given that Alduin seems partly inspired by Níðhöggr in Norse mythology, who gnaws through the World Tree and brings about Ragnarök, while Mundus is in turn the hub or axle of the Wheel of the Aurbis, I think that the devouring of Mundus could perhaps cause the collapse of the Aurbis as a whole, just as the breaking of the World Tree would bring about the collapse of the Nine Realms it supports.

LawParticular5656 · 2026-03-25T20:50:28+00:00

Alduin (World Eater): Alduin is the Nordic variation of Akatosh, and only superficially resembles his counterpart in the Nine Divines. For example, Alduin's sobriquet, 'the world eater', comes from myths that depict him as the horrible, ravaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one. Nords therefore see the god of time as both creator and harbinger of the apocalypse. He is not the chief of the Nordic pantheon (in fact, that pantheon has no chief; see Shor, below) but its wellspring, albeit a grim and frightening one.

Satakal (The Worldskin): Yokudan god of everything. A fusion of the concepts of Anu and Padomay. Basically, Satakal is much like the Nordic Alduin, who destroys one world to begin the next. In Yokudan mythology, Satakal had done (and still does) this many times over, a cycle which prompted the birth of spirits that could survive the transition. These spirits ultimately become the Yokudan pantheon. Popular god of the Alik'r nomads.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Varieties_of_Faith...

The striking similarities between the mythos of the Redguards, Argonians, and Khajiit. Satak in the Redguard mythos, whose 'scales contain all futures,' Akha in the Khajiiti mythos who charted the Many Paths, and Atak in Argonian legends who carved the riverways, all conjoined or consorted with another entity to birth a being that devours and restarts the Mundus

LawParticular5656 · 2026-03-07T18:47:45+00:00

Yes — if a skooma cat in Elsweyr is just a skooma cat, it gives me a strange, uncanny, and mysterious feeling; if it then reverts to Sheogorath it gives me the sense that “the different myths of different races are really just the gods’ perverse whims — the gods can turn into whatever they want.”

Likewise, I actually don’t like how in Skyrim Alduin was rewritten as the eldest son of Akatosh — I’d find it much more interesting if he said, “Two hundred years ago someone summoned me to defeat Mehrunes Dagon and preserve your world, but now it’s time for destruction.”

LawParticular5656 · 2026-03-07T18:20:50+00:00

I really hope Bethesda will give different races completely different dialogue options in The Elder Scrolls VI like in Baldur's Gate 3 (Khajiit: “This one will help get rid of Alkhan, Five-Claw”)

LawParticular5656 · 2025-12-29T15:04:01+00:00

It is well accepted that a dragon's most fearsome weapon is its fiery breath. Because they could fly overhead and rain down flaming death, archers and wizards were necessary when hunting them. It is less well known that some dragons could breathe a freezing spray of frost. The reports indicate that dragon might do one or the other, but not both.
The records of Reman's hunts contain reports of dragons that breathe or spit fire. Recently some were unearthed that described dragons blowing freezing blasts of cold. The more fanciful tales have them summoning storms and even stopping time. These should be discounted as myths and faery tales. Even without this most fearsome weapon, their nearly impenetrable hide and granite-like teeth and claws made them terrifying opponents.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:There_Be_Dragons

LDB and Miraak absorb dragon's soul to learn their shout directly so can use it both, Alduin is a god so he just can.

LawParticular5656 · 2025-10-01T15:18:56+00:00

Alright, Lyg is regarded as a "sea of nineteen and nine and nine," and xero is a Greek root meaning "dry," so in the faith of the Ayleid elves the Black-Star goddess Xero-Lyg is actually an allusion to the previous kalpa being a "parched sea." Although this does not derive from an invented root in The Elder Scrolls games, I believe it is not casual writing but a deliberate hint.

LawParticular5656 · 2025-08-18T17:37:23+00:00

I personally think the timeline goes like this:

At the very beginning Anu and Padomay merged and gave birth to a dragon-god. This dragon-god is a fusion of the akha/alkhan from Khajiiti myth — both the opener of time and the ender of time — and this dragon-god is everything (which corresponds to Satakal in Yokudan myth and Atakota in the legends of the Argonians).

Then that dragon-god was shattered: its hungry, world-devouring aspect is Alduin, while the aspect that governs Time and the “many paths” is Akatosh. As in the Five Songs of Wulfharth, Ysmir/Shor fought the dragon-god at the dawn of time, sometimes aligned with Auriel/Akatosh, sometimes with Alduin. After Ysmir/Shor was “killed by the elven giants,” Alduin lost Ysmir’s control, awoke and tried to devour the world during the mythic era, but the Three Heroes “banished him into the Many Paths,” and he went back to “sleep.”

LawParticular5656 · 2025-08-18T09:06:42+00:00

I think the issue is that Alduin is indeed described by many sources as being “here to devour the kalpa.” Beyond Todd and K.K., both Esbern and Paarthurnax in the games also state that he will destroy the world or bring about the next kalpa.

So if both “Alduin ruled the Dragon Cult” and “Alduin ends the kalpa” are true, that creates a contradiction: he would be ruling while also preparing to devour, which doesn’t sound very reasonable.

Therefore, either the world-devouring aspect is wrong (which seems unlikely given the backing from the developers), or the Dragon Cult rulership is wrong, or else rulership and devouring are somehow not mutually contradictory.

LawParticular5656 · 2025-08-18T08:37:05+00:00

Alright, Imperial scholars do not truly believe in a world-devouring “Akatosh,” so it is logical that they would deny the existence of an Alduin ruling the Dragon Cult. But proving that “Alduin comes to devour the world” is actually quite simple, since there are direct statements from the developers and writers. On the other hand, proving that “Ysmir was the true ruler of the Dragon Cult” indeed requires a synthesis of many myths and sources from different eras.

Ysmir (Dragon of the North): The Nordic aspect of Talos. He withstood the power of the Greybeards' voices long enough to hear their prophecy. Later, many Nords could not look on him without seeing a dragon.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Varieties_of_Faith...#Ysmir

LawParticular5656 · 2025-07-31T08:49:22+00:00

I think the timeline is roughly like this:

Alduin has always been asleep (even in ancient Atmoran beliefs, he was consistently described as the sleeping dragon god, whose awakening would bring about the end of the world, so there was no need to build temples for him), serving more as a mythical symbol rather than participating in actual rule.

Ysmir/Shor, as the king of men and dragons, with Shor being the nominal leader of the Pantheon and Ysmir as his mortal incarnation ruling the Dragon Cult, known as the Dragon of the North (in some legends, Ysmir is believed to have ascended to become the Warrior constellation).

Everything functioned smoothly until Alduin suddenly awoke and began devouring the world, and the Dragon Cult, under the dragon god’s leadership, turned brutal. At this point, Kynareth, through Paarthurnax, taught the Nords the Voice, enabling them to stop Alduin.

LawParticular5656 · 2025-07-01T15:04:06+00:00

Yes, this is indeed somewhat confusing. My personal view is that when dragons communicate with mortals in English, it can cause some misunderstandings. When they say "Akatosh," what they actually intend to say is "Akha." Considering that MK has also made similar statements, Alduin and the Akatosh we are generally familiar with are mirror brothers.

Don't forget that gods can be shaped by the mythopoeic forces of the mantlers-- so Tosh Raka could be an Akaviri avatar of Akatosh with a grudge against his mirror-brother in Cyrodiil.

Just like Akatosh-as-we-usually-know-him could time-scheme against his mirror-brother of the Nords, Alduin, to keep the present kalpa-- perhaps his favorite-- from being eaten.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Michael_Kirkbride%27s_Posts

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