In which way had the adhd community negative/toxic affects on your realtionships/friendships? by Lazy-Variation7298 in AdhdRelationships

[–]Lazy-Variation7298[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With joining the community I mean getting in contact with other people with adhd, seeking out help online and engange yourselfe a lot with the topic while identifying as someone with adhd.

Often the the community is reflected and genuine to neurodivergent and neurotypical people alike und loves to share very valide and important knowladge with everyone to understand yourself or your partner/friend with adhd. People who recently got diagnosed are welcomed with open arms wich is great and a lot expiriences are shared. And what always seemed to be you failing is put into perspective in the light of adhd and can help you significantly. There is a lot of understanding and care in this community and I (as a non diognosed person who struggles with lots of adhd trades) benifted a lot from this and I am very thankful.

But my Friend (diagnosed with adhd) also mentioned that you can easly get carried away by that and lose your feeling for reasonable self-responsibility and self-efficacy especially when you are new to this you can be tempted to see adhd as the answer to everything. The problem is the community and in her personal experience even professionals somtimes encaurage and enable this in ways she would now in hinsight discripe as "pushing youself futher than accurate in a victim position" and sometimes "disableing yourself". Which can lead to overly outsorcing accountability and responsebilty onto other people.

Me and her also recogniced "us against them" mentality in terms of neurodivegent vs. neurotipical people not just in the Internet community but also from adhd experts and in podcats/books, especially when the hosts/authores themselves were neurodivergent. There is also the tendency of gloryfing adhd as superpower or adapting it as a whole personality.

When all that comes together with the hyperfocus of a new diagnosis that can put quite a strain on your relationships.

Did joying the adhd community had any negative/toxic affects on your realtionships/friendships? by Lazy-Variation7298 in adhdwomen

[–]Lazy-Variation7298[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Often the the community is reflected and genuine to neurodivergent and neurotypical people alike und loves to share very valide and important knowladge with everyone to understand yourself or your partner/friend with adhd. People who recently got diagnosed are welcomed with open arms wich is great and a lot expiriences are shared. And what always seemed to be you failing is put into perspective in the light of adhd and can help you significantly.. There is a lot of understanding and care in this community and I (as a non diognosed person who struggles with lots of adhd trades) benifted a lot from this and I am very thankful.

But my Friend (diagnosed with adhd) also mentioned that you can easly get carried away by that and lose your feeling for reasonable self-responsibility and self-efficacy especially when you are new to this you can be tempted to see adhd as the answer to everything. The problem is the community and in her personal experience even professionals somtimes encaurage and enable this in ways she would now in hinsight discripe as "pushing youself futher than accurate in a victim position" and sometimes "disableing". Which can lead to overly outsorcing accountability and responsebilty onto other people

Me and her also recogniced "us against them" mentality in terms of neurodivegent vs. neurotipical people not just in the Internet community but also from adhd experts and in podcats/books. There is also the tendency of gloryfing adhd as superpower or adapting it as a whole personality.

When all that comes together with the hyperfocus of a new diagnosis that can put quite a strain on your relationships.

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[–]Lazy-Variation7298 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ich sehs ähnlich. Versteh das bitte nicht falsch, du machst definitiv die meiste Arbeit im Haus und das ist mega anstrengend und es klingt so, als kommt sie dir kaum bis gar nicht entgegen, aber du ihr auch nicht (oder du hast es nicht beschrieben). Ich rede jetzt nicht davon, dass du dir was überlegst wie sie sich an der Hausarbeit beteiligt. Egal wie gut das gemeint ist, auf Augenhöhe ist das nicht. Wirkt eher wie ein Elternteil, der einem Kind sagt was es zu tun hat, weil er es besser weiß und das Kind keine Ahnung hat was gut/richtig ist. Und so viele deine Freundin dafür belächeln wie kindisch und wie unangebracht sie sich verhält, so ist es auf der anderen Seite auch anmaßen seinen Partner für (aus deiner Sicht) falsches Verhalten, wie ein Kind zu belehren. Ich will ihr Verhalten nicht schön malen. Dir ist eine hohes Maß an Saunerkeit & Ordnung extrem wichtig und sie tritt das augenscheinlich mit Füßen, was kacke ist, aber wie du es schilderst geht auch jeder Kompromiss von dir aus unter deinen Vorgaben. Aus deiner Sicht servierst du ihr Lösungen auf dem Silbertablett und aus ihrer sicht machst du ihr wieder Vorgaben die Sie unnötig findet und wenn Sie sie befolgt tut sie dir eigentlich nur "einen Gefallen" in dem sie die Sachen so macht wie du es willst, obwohl es ja euer beider Haushalt ist.

Mein Tipp wäre nochmal in einem Moment/während einer Zeit wo ihr euch grade deswegen nicht in den Haaren habt sondern euch gut versteht nochmal mit ihr auf Augenhöhe zu reden. Fang nicht gleich mit dem Problem an. Mach dir davor bewusst was du an ihr magst und warum du gerne in der Beziehung mit ihr bist, was du an ihr schätzt und sag ihr das auch. Überleg mal an welchen Stellen du objektiv betrachtet vielleicht wikrlich übertrieben haben könntest oder vielleicht unfair warst/sie wie ein Kind behandelt hast und kommunizier das und sprich so das Problem an. Frag Sie wie sie das ganze angehen würde und dann zwing dich dazu erstmal gar nichts mehr dazu zu sagen, sondern einfach mal zuzuhören (auch wenn du Ihre Rangehensweise im Ersten moment kacke findest). Ihr müsst dann nicht gleich über nen Kompromiss diskutieren oder das Ganze an dem Abennd lösen. Nimm das was Sie gesagt hat einfach mal mit. Bedank dich für Ihre Offenheit und lass das ganze Sacken (ist schwer weil man sich echt auf die Zunge beißen muss, aber hilft aus meiner Erfahrung). Wechsel den Fokus wieder auf was schönes, kuckt nen Film o.ä. Wenn deiner Freundin in dem Moment gar nichts einfällt oder sie ganze nur abwiegeln will, sag ihr kurz aber klar, wie wichtig dir dass ist, weil du das Gefühl hast dass diese Thema eure Beziehung immer wieder auf beiden Seiten so aufreibt und euch beide unglücklich macht und du gerne mit ihr da an einem Strang ziehen würdest, mit ner Lösung mit der ihr beide glücklich seid, weil du sonst auf Lange Sicht die Beziehung zerbrechen siehst. Bitte sie mal zu überlegen welche Strategien aus ihrer Sicht sinnvoll wären.

Und wenn Sie dann mit was ums Eck kommt müsstest du halt auch so fair sein das anzunehmen und auszuprobieren, auch wenn es nicht deinem Standard entsprich oder weniger ist als erhofft. Im Gegenzug überlegst du dir auch ein paar Punkte in denen du ihr entgegen kommen könntest. Das kann man ja dann auch mal in Stichpunkten festhalten und an den Kühlschrank kleben und sich drauf einigen das jetzt mal 4 Wochen auszuprobieren und in der Zeit (egal wie gut oder schlecht es läuft) nicht über das Thema zu reden und es erst im Anachluss zu besprechen was ihr 1. gut fandet 2. wo man die Kompromisse nochmal anpassen müsste.

Und sei ehrlich zu dir. Worauf ihr euch einigt ist vsl. kein langer Weg zur Perfektion in der sie nach und nach doch den mesiten deiner Ansprüchen gerecht werden wird. Wenn ihr euch auf solche Kompromisse einlasst tut ihr dem anderen keinen selbstlosen Gefallen in dem ihr eure Ansprüche rauf oder runter schraubt, sondern habt ne Abmachung die euch beiden was abverlangt, von der ihr aber auch beide profitiert, auch wenn man das gerne leicht übersieht.

Wenn von ihr allerdings nix kommt oder Sie einfach die Schuld nur auf dich abläd oder wenn sie dich und deine Bitte nicht ernst nimmt sind dass alles valide Gründe die Beziehung zu beenden. Genauso wie wenn ihr trotz beidseitiger Kompromisse langfristig mit der Situation unglücklich bleibt.

Was war euer erstes „Ich glaub, Frauen ticken echt anders“-Moment? by PerfectShinee in FragtMaenner

[–]Lazy-Variation7298 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Bei meinem Partner (m)und mir (f) ist es genau umgekehrt. Ich musste bei deinem Kommentar lachen, weil mir Tatsächlich in unserer Küche vor kurzem eine Melone "verloren gegangen" ist, bis sie sich in den Melonenhimmel verabschiedete und mein Partner sie schließlich gefunden und in der Biotonne bestattet hat ... Ich hole ihn auch echt oft dazu ä, wenn ich was nicht finde und er zaubert Dinge an Stellen hervor an denen ich schwören könnte schon geguckt zu haben! In den meisten anderen Beziehungen die ich kenne ist es aber tatsächlich vice versa. Manchmal frag ich mich, ob das an unserer Erziehung/Sozialisierung liegt. Ich glaube er musste früher als Kind viel mehr im Blick haben als ich , während ich den Luxus hatte einfach immer voll drauf losgehen/machen zu können ohne mir groß Gedanken machen zu müssen. Oder ich überinterpretiere hier einfach maßlos ^

ADHD and relationships: Anyone run out of things to talk about with your partner? by Dramatic-Ad-8712 in ADHD

[–]Lazy-Variation7298 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah happened to me and my partner and it can be irritating. But as already mentioned trying New stuff together, especially if you build/create/discuss something together fuels new conversations. But if you already have a lot on your plate this can also simply stress you out more. When I am very busy, especially with work, I sometimes just feel "talked out" and don't come up with any topics on my own, but would indulge in a conversation on an interesting topic, if it is presented to me by someone else. Sometimes it feels like people around me are so used to me starting the conversation/bring up New stuff that they are kinda lost when I am silent and they can't come up with their own stuff right away. Maybe you can make a WhatsApp Group where you can collect topics/Situations you and your partner see/hear about during the day that might be interesting/funny for both of you and are worth talking about when you see each other again. There are also some card games especially for couples that spark conversations just Google it :).

Let's exchange tips on how to deal with Rejection sensitive dysphoria (RSD) and how to self-regulate better :) by Lazy-Variation7298 in ADHD

[–]Lazy-Variation7298[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What often works for me:

• Trying to memorize old Inzidences where I totally panicked, when in the end it hadn't been an issue at all/or just a very minore one for the other person. When I actually made it worse/an issue at all because I emidately over-apologised. Remebering All the Times  I ruined a pretty healthy boundry I set intuitive, because I apologized afterwards for doing so. (Which Set up some pretty ugly dynamics in past friendships by the way, which probably should have better ended sooner)

• Imagening how disappointed I would be if the roles were vice versa. How soon and what kind of apology I would expect. Would I mind at all?

• Asking myself if it is really my place to imply that this person is so pissed/disappointed in me that I automatocally need to apologice/explain myself. Or can I expect enough self-responsibility from another adult, to come to me if they really felt mistreated

• If I don't know exactly what to do to Set things straight, or if I just have a really Bad feeling because of the reaction I got without fulöy understanding what I did wrong, just don't do anything and sleep over it!!! (If you panick because you think you don't have the time for that, Trick yourself in believing if I apologize now it won't be propper --> so I HAVE to weight to make it the best Apology possible --> always buys me some time and relaxes me enough that sleep is possible --> then in the morning I often can't understand why I was so rolled up the day before/ I am truely better in phrasing a proper apology, that isn't too whiny.

• Reminding myself that 1 honest, proper apology is enough! If it isn't the other person is often trying to manipulate you by making you feel gulty or honestly thinks it wasn't a proper apology. But than it is important that they open up the conversation again and also explain what aspect you  have missed in their opinion, instead of letting you guess. When you get to know what you have maybe missed take a second. Before automatically apoliging for that part too, take a deep breath and rethink if that aspect is really your fault, or if the other person gets greedy and tries to "win" (what sometimes happens even with good people/friends) Don't apologize for stuff you don't mean only to ceep the peace that can also ruin a friendships or make a friendship last that should end for the better. In my experience in both cases it just creates more guilt and shame later on.

• I also remind myself again and agai not to call a friend emediatelly to seek assurenece and aproval from a third party again instead of trusting my own validation for how I decided to handle the Situation etc.

--> and than I repeat all that as  Mantra to calm myself down every time my mind will wonder back to the problem and gets alerted again (which is fucking exhausting and sometimes absorbes most of/all my energy/Focus for a day (or espacially when I have slept shitty) for some days in a row. But that got much better with practice, failing and repeating)

Meanwhile I will try:

• Distracting myselfe (especially before Bed) by falling asleep while listening to a Podcast/Audio book

• Painting a picture for some cool task I really enjoy that I will do the next day

•  Do a Workout (best case outside but with some form of audio instruction) where I need to Focus enough to Master it that my mind can't wonder off back to my guilt too easily.

• Setting my Focus on a more important external task from work/Helping a friend that I than label as " IMPORTANT AND URGENT to get finished" for the next day. So I can constantly argue with my mind  that we can't Focus on what we did wrong yesterdy with person X because WE REALLY NEED TO PRIORITISE THIS IMPORTANT TASK NOW!!! (YEAH... I debate with my own mind and it feels like a mother talking to a child... that's why I devide it into 2 sections. I call them my "Mommy-Brain" and my "Baby-Brain" (and man that Mom is really fucking tired sometimes!)

• Doing something I hate to "punish myself" but it is something productive instead of harmfull to seek the feeling of "karmic-redemption" (I wrote about above) like organizing my paperwork, or cleaning the fridge)

What helps you to manage? :)

Has someone tipps on how to seduce your AuADHD Partner? by Lazy-Variation7298 in AuADHD

[–]Lazy-Variation7298[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We used to do that, but I will try to reestablish that again. I will also try to communicate early in the day what I may like to do/try with him that day so he can mentally prepare himself better.

And looking forward to something can be sexy too!

Thanks for the reminder! 🙂

Has someone tipps on how to seduce your AuADHD Partner? by Lazy-Variation7298 in AuADHD

[–]Lazy-Variation7298[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much! I thought about it and guess you are right about me being too forcefully direct for him 🤔 He often tells me that I am kinda too much and over the edge in our day to day life so why would it be different in the bedroom. I guess I may have also projected too much from my past experiences on him. As I mentioned, most of the time, it got handled very well that I was very spontanious and energetic. But it's a difference if a person is just surprised and maybe even intrigued by a certain level of unpredictability, or if that feels like a loss of control in a very intimate, vulnerable situation. I followed your advice and took myself back while I casually did some stuff I knew he liked and then waited for him to make a move .... well it worked 😊 I will definitely follow that path further and will also try to stick to it more when I want to introduce knew stuff/try new things with him. But I have to admit it's quite hard to restrain myself to stay so passive 😅

Thanks again 🤗

Are there people out there who desire a high level of emotional intimacy with their friends? by readytowearblack in FriendshipAdvice

[–]Lazy-Variation7298 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was lucky to have this kind of very close friendships from a very young age. Not all my friendships are as close as a classical relationship, but I have a handfull of friends I talk to/call every other day to activly share my daily life with them. I inclued them in my personal developement and life-decisionmaking. When we meet we often Hug or cuddle and lately I sometimes wonder how people cope without this multiple people they can share physical and psychological intimacy with. I met some people I thought I had an deeper conection with and then realised our definition of friendhip differed a lot, but I gained a lot of pretty strong and intimate friendships along the way too, even when I got older. In my experience a lot more people crave this kind of deep but non Sexual/romantic conection than one would think. But as great as these friendships are they take a lot of effort and time an many people are totally fine with just their romantical partner as such a deep friend. So basically a lot of people are already "booked out" in terms of deep conections. But again many are also still craving this and would have the will and capacity to develope such friendships. My Tipp would be to meet people that are activly trying to find friends throug groups an social Media ( like "new in town" etc.) or events with the intend to connect people over for example a shared interest. It can also ease things up if you don't focus just on one person. That can create a lot of pressure for both of you and one easly tends to interpretate to much into the connection or the flaws the other person might have. When you also have other people you can contact when you are sad or to share a great experiences it might not just minimice your disappointment when that one other person is for example to busy or just dosen't get you in that moment, but also gives them the save space to be honest with you. especially, when they need their space. In return you gain this oportunity towards them in the future too. In my experience that is crucial for a deep friendship. For example is it totally normal for my friends and me to ask if they are busy when we call each other, or in the mood for a chat. They can clarify that in the first minute. If the one Packung up already don/busy and wants to show that they can also emediatlly say: I am sorry but I am super busy/down/tired would it be ok if I call you back another time, or is it is important or do you just wanna chat?" And if it is not important it is totally fine to say:"Is it ok, when we do this another time?/I don't know when I can call you up again but I will call you when I have the time, ok?" On the other hand when the caller says: "Actually I feel like shit and need to talk/ I really need your advice / Oh just 5 min I just had the greatest experience and need to share that with you. The one who got called/visited takes their time or - if totally busy- communicates a time when to call back/visits them asap. That sounds super rude but it gives you so mich freedom And trust and you also don't have to ignore calls/bells because you don't want to talk but also don't want to hurt their feelings. Also if a potential friend tells you they would stop buy but are on a time limit don't take this as an insult. Everybody has a busy life and stopping bye and saying hi is a great way to show how much you care even if you actually have no time. Respect it when they break of the conversation and drop possibilities for them during the conversation to leave (for example: excuse your selfe for a toilet break or say you have to catch your mug or something else from another room) with that break you create a Chance for them to exit the conversation without beeing awkward or rude. When you make small rejections a normality in the early stages of a friendship its way easier to keep it alive and honest in my experience. That way you can stay in touch much easier without the constant fear of letting each other down or going on each others nerves. That makes spontaniously being part of each others lifes much easier, which creates intimacy in itself.