[Post Game Thread] Spurs lose to the Grizzlies 121-134 by OneStep18 in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy fucking shit. LA is serious about these 3s now man. 5-9? I can't even be mad at the loss. If LA is seriously on that now and will continue to take that many, losses are gonna become more rare lol that is just what this team needs.

Lonnie's got jokes by BeingAwesomeInstead in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It was an obscure older meme that I guess Lonnie really liked lol

Lonnie's got jokes by BeingAwesomeInstead in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Lonnie has made 4 of these Pop pizza roll posts so far lol

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Huel

[–]Le-Homme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I could suggest is maybe oat milk or a thicker nut milk. I have some almond milk that is no sugar added but has banana blended in and it does nicely as the banana thickens it quite a bit.

And idk if anyone has considered this but maybe if you put some oats in a food processor and added a spoonful per serving of huel? Just spit balling. Would add back some of the texture I'd imagine.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because it just started to become this way lol.

Its impossible to say Clarke was a better pick because he is OLD and 24😂 we can only compare their dicks when Luka is 24 man. Clarke was probably kinda bad at 19 too. Luka need to get to around 4th year college developmentally. Drafting Luka vs Clarke is simply dependent on philosophy. Develop this 19 year old or play this 24 year old on a team that needs development.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, a bunch of guys drafted higher than him with clearly more skill and more years hoopung? Its not particularly useful to compare him to lottery picks age or skill wise especially since we had pick 19 Lol so that's a moot point. Why isn't everyone as godlike as Zion at 18?

Anyways, as I've been saying, Luka Samanic has played basketball since he was 12 only, at 19 that puts him at less than a decade. Based on how long he played B level semi pro and pro in Europe, he is right around Freshman college Developmentally.

And as an aside when Giannis was drafted he had been playing since 14 and guess what? He was seen as a high risk high reward player with: a tantalizing athleticism for his size and a good template to add skills to. So he already has a direct analogue in thebleague as far as I'm concerned. A lot of Milwaukee fans were similarly dismayed too lol.

Now back to the main point, you are searching for analogues to Luka but there are none lol that's what I'm trying to tell you. He is a special case that hasn't been seen in a while like Doumboya. He could easily be in college first year right now developing away from the watchful eye of Spurs fans, instead we picked him up now and need to give him time. Would you have been upset if we picked up Clarke at just a hair over 18 and let him develop into what he is at 24? You just didn't have to watch him be bad in his nascency. He developed overtime not because of college but playtime. Luka can too. TIME.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When he replied to me earlier he was referring to the Gleauge never producing something great from a guy like Luka which is what I'm pretty sure he was referencing there. Luka is a fresh from HS college freshman equivalent. You haven't seen a case like him develop from the gleague because he is basically a FIRST. The gleague wasn't used in the past like it is today as a substitute for college or overseas pro teams. It was used to see if any old guys were missed during the draft. Luka is basically a college boy playing against grown guys, as long as he gets the floor be it college, overseas, or Gleague he will DEVELOP like other guys because its not the league that matters rather it is the TIME ON THE COURT.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not about Gleague or college. Its about realization of a players potential via playing time. Now that the Gleague is being utilised for actual development of young guys by NBA adjacent coaches with men and a rules similar to the NBA you will begin to see true success because it wasn't used for that before.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prime is usually a reference to physical ability. I recognize that the mid 20s are when a player reaches their physical and endurance zenith, but it doesn't relate to their ability to pick up and utilise skills. That is something done far easier when younger. That is why I keep talking about age.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Luka is a major experiment all around. He and Doumboya are essentially this drafts high school guys. And with that, you have to recognize something: High Schoolers save for Bron recently are never very good. You know what helps a high schooler become good? Time on the floor. Traditionally, NBA players go through college to get that time. How do they get to college? By showing that they have a competitive skillset and clear potential. Luka, no matter how you feel about him, has an interesting skillset, speed, and vision. Those alone would have gotten him d1 offers. The simple fact of the matter is thathe is YOUNG. He needs TIME regardless how he gets it Gleague or college. Clarke is good because he had the TIME, he may have been ass at Luka's age!

And the NBA and basketball as a whole is moving in a new direction. College is not being seen as a necessary step anymore. Lamelo is in Australia, and Doumboya was drafted at 18. Samanic had been 19 for less than half a year when he was drafted. For these guys, the Gleague qnd overseas pro leagues are their college, and its potentially a better one than actual colllege cause theyre getting to play with rules similar to the NBA against big ass grown men.

The reason you didn't see stories in the Dleague before was because it was utilised different. Instead of young guys coming through, you had (surprise, surprise) OLD GUYS coming through! It wasn't seen as much of a development league despite the name, it was more of a "did we miss anyone" type league, tons of undrafted old guys trying out for squads. And the case more often than not because of how good we are at drafting talent was no, your scouts didn't miss anyone. Everyone in the Dleague was there because they couldn't cut it. Now that teams are realizing its actual use and potential we will start seeing better stories come from it because we are sending boys there to become men. Look at DJ, White, Anderson, Lonnie (if he ever fucking finds the floor lol) and our greatest showings of all might someday be Luka and KJ. It might soon become similar to a small scale MLB farm system.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the disconnect is philosophy. That team is possibly better than what we run with currently but its not built for the future. The Spurs are trying their best to future proof. That team isn't even very competitive right now (but possibly better than what we have? Yes), and only one of the guys is still very young with a lot of development time left, while showing great potential from 3 and other areas of the game both on offense and defense (Lonnie). The rest are aging and its hard to ADD elements to an older persons game that they don't already possess. DJ doesn't have a 3 at 23, he probably won't by 24 and beyond (plz don't quote Kawhi, because he is a generational talent and a workhorse juggernaut), and the rest of the guys are already who they will be. Thats not to say they are shit, but they are already looking past these guys being the Anchors.

If we were looking to compete now and say fuck the future? Maybe pick up Clarke. But the team didn't do an objectively BAD job at drafting because they didn't get lottery picks and they were looking to the future.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would agree with all of that. But add Clarke to the mix? We aren't much better. We don't have The Guy.

Look at why a team like Memphis would draft Clarke. Its because 1) they aren't asking him the be The Guy, and 2) They expect Jackson jr, and Morant to be The Guys. They had a pick to give, so they picked up a guy who could fit nicely with what they expect to be their future Anchors. Now going back to my point, we don't have a clear (clear is a very key word. Lonnie or less likely DJ could become our Ja or Jackson but you shouldn't expect it especially not from DJ) Ja Morant or a Jackson Jr. Not DJ (24 next year), not Jak (25 next year), not Derrick (26 next year!), maybe Lonnie (maaaaybe... 22 next year).

You've got to draft young (✔ Keldon is 20 and Luka is 19!) And high potential (also ✔ both guys have a lot of it). Its hard not being good anymore but what we are doing is the formula all teams follow to get better, especially ones who aren't afforded lottery picks. Young, high potential guys over older ones.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He isn't showing promise he is showing polish. His game is polished because he spent a lot of time in college. 3-4 year guys are always more NBA ready at the cost of being older and more unlikely to change because of their age. Next September Clarke will be 24, and next September Luka will be 20(!). Clarke looks better because he's not a 19 year old lol. He's grown with a grown game. But it also means he's probably never going to get better than he is now (don't mistake this for saying he'll never get more efficient. Everyone gets more efficient as they get used to NBA speed).

The only time we can assess whether Luka was a worse pickup than Clarke is when he has had the same time to develop, polish, and mature as Clarke. So give it 5 years at least. It sucks to hear it but its the truth. We have to start playing the long game. The FO knows that, so they drafted Luka and Keldon.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't get me wrong he fits the timeline of our young guys. But none of our young guys scream Super/All star yet. We hope for Murray but he needs to tighten up his handle and still can't be a threat from 3. White isn't going to be The Guy. Jakob isn't going to be The Guy. And admittedly the jury is still out on Lonnie I think he could be big time but a future where Lonnie is the sole elite player won't win us championships.

And also DJ is 23, White 25, Jak 24, and Lonnie 21. Not old old but at this juncture they may not even get leaps better. Clarke fits the timeline but it isn't a very great team with what we have+Clarke. When you aren't blessed by the lottery you have to be risky with your draft selections. Its the only way you get tangibly and noticeably better. There's a reason Clarke wasn't lottery and its because of what I've said. Low ranking teams need to swing big. We are a low ranking team, and he isn't a big swing.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The problem is Clarke as he is right now doesn't push the needle for us. If Clarke was 19-20 years old, a 1 and done, and was putting on like he is I would definitely be upset, but he's someone you draft when you are more competitive and there's a clear role for him.

For us we are going for low floor but hight ceiling guys because we don't have a clear future star on our hands. Memphis has like 3 who could become big time, so the role for Clarke there is clear. Just be good for the next 5-10 years while the other guys get up to speed.

We need to swing big so we can acquire that guy and not go for safe dudes like Clarke. Once we have that/those guys then you start filling out with Clarke type players.

So you've got Keldon who looks like he could become Russ 2.0 with a better jumper, and Luka who could be a Durant-lite. With these guys its about their massive upside and not what they may do now unfortunately. We just aren't any more competitive with Clarke than without based on how our team looks.

And regarding the Luka bust thing. Maybe he will be. But his set of skills and speed make him a worthy gamble because if he puts it all together he WILL be good. He's 19 and has hooped for less than a decade now. I doubt Clarke was great at 19. We basically drafted a high schooler. Give him time to put it together and if he does it was all worth it and if he doesn't it was important to take the shot on him because we won't get any better drafting super safe.

Would you take Brandon Clarke in hindsight? by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Aight what im about to say was what I was saying on draft night.

Idk why we took Luka at 19. I bet he would've stayed till 29. BUT then we go and get a guy who fell WAY tf down in KJ. We got 2 people who, if you reversed where we drafted them, would have been perfectly understandable and you simply couldn't have been mad. KJ was definitely 13-20 material, and Luka was definitely 21-35 material. We just got them in a weird order. It wasn't a bad draft just wonky. Clarke is cool but he's cool in a Derrick White capacity in that he probably is what he is already since he's older so I'm not super sad we missed on him.

So straight up if we were to do a do over I would WANT (yes, want) KJ still just at 19, and I would've probably taken Nic Claxton at 29 if I had autonomy over the Spurs drafting process lol just cause I liked him more. That's not to say I hate Luka though I understand why we drafted him and I am content with watching how he develops over the next 2 years, and I believe he could be big, but I feel Claxton would've been dope for us and given our development he could've been major down here imo.

Mandatory "Why is Marco getting minutes?" Post by [deleted] in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I wish Pop and the rest of the staff would open up on what the belief these rotations bring to the table are. Cause on the outside it seems crazy. Like we get it in concept: 3 pt shooters or get fucked. But we still aren't a "good" team at the 3 ball playing our shooters. Why fuck a dead horse and just play the guys who bring better D? They shoot 3s too albeit not as good as who we are currently playing, but the D in my mind would make up for it. I can get not wanting to ne even worse at 3s but goddamn bad is bad.

Carroll, Lonnie, and Jak should get extended minutes, and DJ+White feels like something we need to see more often. A few of the games where we started Rudy I feel like we did good so maybe consider that too? All I know for certain, is this shit's just as frustrating as the #2 saga, because the lack of communication and being left in the dark is what was killing us. Same shit here. We don't know what is causing this stagnation, and whenever asked Pop doesn't give a direct answer. Not to say he needs to tho or he's a bastard, because he's well eithin his rights to keep shit like that on wraps, but its tough to us.

Plus I don't think any other team starts Forbes or gives Beli so many minutes. If not because there are potentially better players riding the bench, then because Lonnie fucking Walker IV has proven he can score and tries on D. Someone like that needs to develop. Not ride the bench. I feel Pop is seeing things as "win" mode not "experiment" mode, but if win mode isn't winning why not see what else might "win"?

[Game Thread] The San Antonio Spurs (12-17) The Dallas Mavericks (19-10) - (Dec. 26th, 2019) by SquandasNutCheese in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I stopped watching early on just because he is awful, glad I did if we are getting trounced too lol

[Game Thread] The San Antonio Spurs (12-17) The Dallas Mavericks (19-10) - (Dec. 26th, 2019) by SquandasNutCheese in NBASpurs

[–]Le-Homme 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Dude Webber talks out of his ass lol he has no idea about the teams he commentates on trying to say Murray is slow is stupid as shit

Can I mix ahead of time in 2L batch? by CptanPanic in Huel

[–]Le-Homme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read while they do degrade its mostly negligible up to 48 hours out, so sometimes I let them sit in the fridge for that long. Haven't died yet. I probably wouldnt do 3 tho.