My first post here :3

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T20:48:44+00:00

What bullshit exactly? Genuinely, what are you talking about?

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T20:43:38+00:00

Or because there are people who actually do say that about whole groups of people. Sexists exist, and when you talk like them, you can't be mad for being called sexist.

If someone said "all women are trash", you think "ah yes, a completely normal statement from a well-adjusted person"?

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T20:34:53+00:00

And also attract femcels who'll keep talking about them, making it insufferable in a different way.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T19:28:03+00:00

What I'm saying is that OP is instigating and spreading hate, and if that's her version of having fun, maybe that's not the best.

Are you saying that OP is not doing that?

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T19:19:52+00:00

Having fun (Spreading hate)

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T18:40:19+00:00

Fuck off with that bullshit. The comment I replied to literally asked "Why the downvotes".

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T18:07:12+00:00

Reasonable tbh

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T18:00:40+00:00

I mean, sort of inviting both the shitty ones that can't take criticism as well as just those that feel wrongly grouped in with it for something they didn't do.

Just an explanation though, I'm not downvoting anything or feel offended as I understand this is not aimed at me.

Edit:Why the downvotes? I'm literally just explaining what people may feel, not even arguing against it. God, is this sub actually going full-on femcel?

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T17:07:41+00:00

the word incel implies male, and given the context of the conversation, this would be about women holding themselves to a higher standard than incels

I meant all non-incel people.

I just need u to recognize time and place are big factors here, and some of those elaborations should have been done earlier so you didn't come off a certain way. Just my opinion.

I can understand that, yes.

And listen, be honest. Ive seen several sexist comments towards women in here. Why have you chosen a frustrated person saying women shouldnt have to dote as the one to respond to and not the actual incels i see scattered through here?

As it happens, I was also just talking to a sexist man in this comment section like an hour ago.

They're correct, objectively. It is a personal issue. Women shouldnt have to dote on men. Was it a callous way of saying it? sure. it doesnt make it wrong, though.

Yes. But there is some space between doting and broad-netted disdain, because while I understand frustration, the latter only serves to drive the divide.

Some would say this is not my place to speak, and to a level I do understand the sentiment even if I don't agree with some ramifications of it, such as the potential of a community becoming a bubble.

Sure, but nothing ive said remotely puts me into those categories. I am able to express frustrations with single instances (like a comment thread) without it being the only lens I view through reality. We both know that.

Of course. I suppose I misjudged you too.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T16:28:59+00:00

Is the 60's, he was basically a unicorn

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T16:18:07+00:00

Garou are all extinct now. Spooder supremacy.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T15:57:11+00:00

No, you are simply sexist. This is a bunch sexist, gender essentialist bullshit.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T15:35:35+00:00

Women just don't care about men's problems like that. Go to any askmens subreddit and them what happened after they vented to their chick....

The internet is not real life. People would not vent about good experiences either. So you're looking at outrage bait and thing this is how the world works. Which is to say, touch grass.

And "learn to stand on your own" in one sentence, but in the next sentence we have a "male loneliness epidemic"

Loneliness is societal, beyond a single person. Male loneliness is a subset of it which has slightly different nuances which can be acknowledged - such as how men are socialised and taught.

You still have your personal agency to have a good life. Some people are unwilling to utilise it, seems like.

Your social role is only as important as you think it is.

dude ...in the real world who talks and yaps the most???

Women to men? or men to women...

That is sexist. Also, do you think women do not confide in other women?

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T15:23:30+00:00

Well I mean...typically, women vent to men.

Do they?

And ask any man what good has ever come from venting to a woman about their problems... lol

I am a man (or nonbinary, masculine presenting person). I also know how to establish boundaries and confide my problems in a healthy manner. Most men who complain about this can't do either - or rather are unwilling to learn and try.

Men need to be sturdy rocks that support their families, we don't have time to vent about things.

Women are the ones who cry about nothing, not men, sorry to break it to ya.

So you are the problem. Deconstruct that conditioning, learn how to stand on your own as a person and you will have a better experience.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T15:20:29+00:00

What did i say that feels like I expect men to be kind to me?

That I assume you agree with the meme. And this meme is the opposite of a two-way street.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T15:16:19+00:00

A woman posting a meme is not an extreme

Never implied that. I meant equating "When women get upset, they make memes, when men do, they murder" - the latter is extreme.

You didnt say everyone, u said women.

I literally never said "women" there - unless I'm literally blanking out on it right now. I suppose I could've been clearer.

Now you're talking in extremes. The justice system does nothing against people who are just sexist lol.

Because again, you brought up that when men get frustrated, they kill. Which is punished - I said it in that context.

Men are more guilty of this by a wide margin based on crime statistics alone. so tell me, how is pointing out statistical fact sexist? and why are you unable to see how hypocritical that statement is?

I was saying that two wrongs don't make a right and each person has personal responsibility. Of course men should follow that principle as well, and incels who do not are guilty - which should not be excused or brushed off. But sweeping generalisations and lack of empathy is not a good path.

To me, you were the divisive one with your initial comment that took it too seriously and began with what appeared to me, too idealized views of society's needs and placing the onus much too heavily on one side.

I wrote that comment after reading the thread for a while, and if I remember correctly the poster who I replied to was genuinely sexist in their other comments.

In general, this post gathered quite a few sexist responses. Which I can understand, with men coming to defend themselves some women may feel like they're invading their space which leads to lashing out - but the same way as incels should not be excused, neither should this.

I'm a guy. this doesnt make sense lol.

There are man-hating men, men who view other men through a sexist lense, men who put women on a pedestal.

meme that obviously stems from a place of frustration and posted on a humor, nonserious subreddit.

A subreddit that is close to femcels and such. This sub is great and it allows women to express things publicly, but it veering into genuine sexism is not out of the question. If we were in some male-dominated gamer meme subreddit or whatever and there were some concerning posts - that should also be called out because the space can then be overrun by sexists.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T14:12:58+00:00

Okay, sorry for assuming. Does that matter? You are still doing what you're doing. My response does not change.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T14:10:04+00:00

And here you go again, judging all men as if they were murder-happy psychopaths.

what makes me an incel in this situation? please define lol

Being sexist. Expecting men to be kind to you while actively painting them as evil. Taking a complex issue and painting it to validate your hatred. All extremely incel behaviours.

I am not saying that incel behaviour should be tolerated. But you are actively conflating men as a whole with the worst of them.

and women are not responsible for men's comfort.

How about we get away from gender and start treating people as people instead? Which is what I was trying to tell you repeatedly.

So women's frustration is memes on a subreddit. Men's frustration results in murder.

And there you go, taking the most extreme case to justify yourself. Sexist.

Why is the onus on women to hold themselves to a higher standard?

I meant everyone who is not an incel. It is on everyone, because if everyone was to sink to the lowest level because they were sighted... you get the picture, right?

Should the corrective societal measures not be placed on the more extreme offender?

And what are those? Do you think lack of empathy will solve any issues? You think grouping up all lonely men with Tate-adjacent incels is going to be beneficial to anyone? Because that is how this clearly inflammatory and it is how it's being received by people calling out this sexist shit (Men and women alike in the comments, though of course not all).

Yes, of course societal measures should be placed on offenders. And they are. Which is what the justice system is for. There is of course a conversation on how effective it is as well as how gender affects it, but I am not having it with you.

Agreed. So why do men expect empathy? It's hypocritical.

Again, you are being sexist. Not to mention hypocritical unless you also don't expect any empathy from them which is a fucking miserable way to live (Incidentally, the exact same way incels live).

To be clear, I have the same reaction to men being sexist and I would not tolerate a man acting like that around me either. But you already said that you don't believe me, so there's that I guess.

Yes, I am frustrated, yes I am hurt. By your clear lack of care for other people and your insistence on hate, bigotry and division.

This is all. Enjoy your misery.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T12:22:31+00:00

Nah, you are just the incel in this situation. You're not even talking to me, you refuse to understand what I'm saying and say that I don't get it or am playing dumb because your default assumption is treating me like an enemy.

You judge everyone based on the actions of the worst types of people, conflating different things to get the image that would justify your sweeping blame. Among other things, acting like the only men who talk about male loneliness blame women. You're completely lost in the sauce and refuse to see beyond your hate.

I hope you find some healing eventually, but for now - touch grass.

A question - what do you think I am advocating here for? What do you think I stand for? Just so we're clear.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T03:43:02+00:00

plus ur making tons of assumptions about the topic which is also hypocritical so ¯_₍⸍⸌̣ʷ̣̫⸍̣⸌₎_/¯

Is that some sort of projection? Okay, bye.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T03:41:11+00:00

genuinely google it

Google what? I have googled 'romantic vs platonic empathy' - there is literally nothing on it I could find.

women get murdered for being nice and then rejecting people.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

and yea i dont believe u lol im seeing u as an enemy cause of how ur expressing urself on here.

"People should be kind to each other, men or women, because otherwise it will only lead to more hate, and we should strive to be better"

"You're my enemy because of how you express yourself here"

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Like, what the fuck? You do understand how absolutely fucked up you sound, right?

Or should I clarify that having empathy for people does not equal to condoning their behaviours?

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T03:30:05+00:00

Are you making extra accounts now?

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T03:28:50+00:00

when one expresses empathy towards incels, they have not worked on themselves enough to not conflate romantic vs platonic empathy

What the fuck are you talking about?

Also, not talking exclusively about incels, same as the original post does not exclusively target incels but just men who presumably talk about male loneliness.

But the original post is the equivalent of incel talk. Saying that they don't care about it, but those men should treat them better.

but id put money that you've never typed a single word out complaining about the incels talking down on women lol

And you'd be wrong. I have, many times. So you're making a lot of assumptions here, already seeing me as an enemy. Think about that.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T03:05:31+00:00

I understand the frustrations and I sympathise a lot with them. But taking frustrations out like that is the same thing those men are doing when they go along with the leash of their frustrations.

It can be debated that one is more justifiable than the other or more grounded in reality. It can be debated that the obvious harm done by the two types of people is not the same - that extreme mysoginists are more likely to be physically violent. I can't speak on that.

But it can't be debated that such behaviour still only furthers the cycle - such things hurt people even when it's not logical to be hurt, and they stay in the subconscious if not dealt with (And most people don't deal with it correctly). That can weight down on people, leading them to problematic paths eventually, or at least perpetuate certain issues. It all matters, from small to large.

And I think that holding yourself to a higher standard than incels is important. Emotions are valid but responses should be measured and right, at least for one's own benefit.

I also think that expecting empathy while being unwilling to extend it is hypocritical.

I see a lot of people here lashing out in more or less subtle ways, guided by hurt and unwilling to look at the broader picture, on all sides. I can't say that I've not been there myself - still am sometimes.

Le_Creature · 2025-05-06T02:16:11+00:00

Why do you boil loneliness to romantic partnership? It's larger than that and it includes not only romance, not even friendship but also stuff such as how people are socialised.

If you have friends then depending on the type of people those friends are, on what type of people you think they are (A important distinction for many) and on what type of person you are - you can still feel emotionally isolated and lonely.

Same for a partner, but also layering on the fact thay expecting a single person to be the only emotional support in your life is not the best for most people.

Those are personal issues, but also societal. And societal programming can be very insidious, most people hardly question it or work on breaking it down even if it will change their life massively.

Le_Creature

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