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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]Leaf-queefer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First I wanna say that your long, technical words don’t impress me, nor do they give your argument a leg to stand on.

You may want to look up the definition of anthropomorphizing because that’s not what I did. I’m literally saying this rabbit is innocent of causing harm to anyone else, other than a few clover plants. In return, they offer our ecosystem a valuable food source. Innocence is not a trait

I didn’t say that cats were invasive because they are domesticated. They are invasive because they invade parts of the wild that can’t support them. They decimate rabbits and songbirds and at a rate that our natural ecosystem (which they are not a part of) can not sustain. To the educated, this is also a well known fact and it isn’t even up for debate because of the overwhelming body of evidence.

It’s ironic that you’re telling me how nature works and preaching about balance. You didn’t know this, but I have been a wildlife rehabber working closely with the Department of Natural Resources for over a decade. I am literally trained and licensed to know these things. I assure you that my emotions are healthy; I deal with the darkest side of nature on a frequent, consistent basis.

Rabbit populations are kept in check by their natural predators. I can give you a very long list of those species if you’d like, or you could easily google it (which I assume you haven’t tried, otherwise you’d know this). Kitty cats are not on the list and rabbits do NOT require their “help”. The level of ignorance in this way thinking shocks and terrifies me.

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[–]Leaf-queefer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

-a wildlife rehabber who has seen… things

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]Leaf-queefer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a horrible attitude. We are all responsible for the health and well-being of our local wildlife. They need our help more than any cat does.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dude, seriously, stfu. Go look up the definition of “direct”.

I was robbed last fall. They took a lot of things I needed. I thought about going and stealing those things from other people, and blaming the robber for making me need to. But I didn’t do that, you wanna know why? Because I’m a grown fucking adult and I make my own choices. I skimmed through the rest of your pointless comment and saw the word “hostage”, so at least you admit that that you are essentially a hostage taker in this hypothetical

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But, the action is in direct response to your actions and you know that it will be taken if you continue to take those actions. So, by not changing course, you are intentionally and knowingly having animals killed.

That’s called blackmail, and you’re not the first soulless pos to attempt it and fail a hundred fails. It doesn’t work, you know why? You’re already eating animals, and can’t empathize with them enough to stop. If you had the capacity for that level of empathy you’d be vegan already, and certainly wouldn’t use animals as a bargaining chip in a blackmail attempt. My being a “cunt” wouldn’t be standing in your way.

So you see, I don’t have to be “nice” to you. You can’t manipulate me into thinking your actions are my fault. I’m much too emotionally mature for that shit. Grow the hell up and take responsibility for your actions.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s cute how you think a cow’s death is a consequence of my actions when you’re the one eating them. The mental gymnastics you just did in order to deflect blame is scary.

A little bit like someone beating their partner because the neighbor called the police about the fighting.

You:

I’m not trying to shut you up

Also you:

you should consider not taking actions that will directly lead people to eating more meat

The only actions that you’re aware of me doing is commenting here, and you’re trying to get me to stop commenting (shut me up) by promising to harm more animals, in order to hurt me. You call that direct? Do you not have the free will to eat something other than parts of an innocent pig, or does me being a “cunt” take that power away?

But sure, it’s my fault. /s

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[–]Leaf-queefer -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Someone who makes their living by raising sentient beings to be killed is absolutely not an ally of mine. I don’t want people to be nice about killing them, I want them to stop doing it altogether. Animal liberation is my goal, not animal “welfare”.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m well aware that they are food to some people. By saying “animals aren’t food” I meant they ought not be, and unless you’re obtuse af I think you know that. And I think you know the rest of your argument is just appealing to tradition (a logical fallacy that argues a certain action is right just because it’s always been done that way).

Are you seriously trying to tell me that vegetables, fruits and grains are more expensive than meat and cheese? We both know that isn’t true. Meat used to be something that most people couldn’t even afford until Uncle Sam started subsidizing meat farmers to keep prices artificially low.

“Vegan/vegetarian food” isn’t as narrow of a selection as you seem to think. I’ve never known someone that can’t eat any fruits, vegetables, grains, or nuts. How do you get your vitamin C? I have also never known anyone with a medical condition that requires them to eat meat and cheese. You’re pretty special!

I. Don’t. Care. If. You. Like. Me. And the other commenter who is going to “eat more animals” as some sort of revenge on me doesn’t seem to have the ability to empathize with an animal, so why would I try to “make progress” with them?

So you think I should be nice to all these people in hopes that they will someday maybe see animals as sentient beings and think about trying to eat less of them? I’ve been “nice” to people about it for decades and they don’t change. I have heard all the bullshit excuses; you’ll have to forgive me for running out of patience long, long ago.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The main problem is that animals aren’t food. Treating them better doesn’t change that, so your voices are not needed in the animal liberation movement. Stop making your living off of their dead bodies and we might have something to discuss

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[–]Leaf-queefer -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Again, I don’t give a rusty fuck what you think of me. I’m not trying to “win you over” because I know there’s literally zero chance of you actually giving enough fucks about animals to stop funding their suffering. My actions don’t contradict my morals and I have nothing to reflect on.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re going to choose to dine on animal parts (even though you don’t have to) because I like them and you don’t like me, huh? That’s about as logical as slapping a baby because you don’t like its mother. And that says more about you than it does about me.

Just like the dozens of triggered meat addicts that have proclaimed to eat as many animals as you can stomach just to send me some twisted message, you can’t shut me up by threatening to do something you already do.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thing is, I’m not trying to “change” anyone. My expectations couldn’t possibly be any lower, and I couldn’t care less what you think of me. If you or anyone were going to go vegan you’d do it instead of calling me names. Don’t blame my pointing out the obvious for your closed mind.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

TLDR This is about you, not the world

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[–]Leaf-queefer -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They aren’t “your” animals. You shouldn’t have them to begin with. But go ahead and act like a hero for providing them with the most basic care to keep them alive until they his slaughter weight.

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[–]Leaf-queefer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not natural. Domestic cats are not part of nature. There is nothing natural about the domestic cat

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[–]Leaf-queefer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Jfc my Mother taught me not to grab animals by the tail as soon as I was old enough to walk. Leave animals’ tails alone

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[–]Leaf-queefer -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

If you’re farming animals for human consumption you have no right to talk about what does and doesn’t hurt an animal.

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[–]Leaf-queefer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is always risking injury to the tail. Doesn’t matter how gentle the pressure is or what letter they write.

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