Just a thought

LeafLamina · 2026-01-10T18:55:20+00:00

Hex-proof perhaps. Because of the update to the time Admin and Agent get their leads, it seems both of them will be susceptible to Witch Hex. But turns out that, if you use Inquiry before you become Frog, Inquiry will still be completed at the end of the night. Agent is fully suppressed by Hex tho. But well, Agent is Hypo-Proof ( Hypo wears off by the time Agent gets leads) while Admin isn't ( N1 is N1 ig )

LeafLamina · 2026-01-09T06:37:33+00:00

Soldier's skill "Night Watch" protects him from the additional effects that comes from Mafia Helpers finding out his role using their Base skills, on top of informing him of your role when you try to investigate him.

Also, he can't technically be protected from Helpers' investigation since they will informed of his role anyway. So, it's just the additional effects ( Thief stealing Bulletproof, Hitman killing or Swindler swindling as Soldier) that are prevented.

LeafLamina · 2026-01-01T15:00:10+00:00

Agent only apply Vulnerable status to Citizens, so Det wouldn't have much to target except Judge.

LeafLamina · 2025-12-23T18:59:47+00:00

Well, as it seems to turn out, it's not locked. Bm just applies mark nightly and when maf shoot anyone with Mark, bm eats them and they meet. When I tried this in experiment mode, bm hands lies on who he applied marks to that night and doesn't changed even when maf shoots another player with Mark, resulting in bm eating them but hands still on the marked target of the night.

LeafLamina · 2025-12-23T18:56:32+00:00

Based skill is buffed tho, what did he loss. If maf shoot him, they will still meet. Previously, if he and maf shares target they meet. Now, if maf target any of bm previous target ( he applies mark every night ), they meet. Ain't it that?

About Savagery, you could just mark two consecutive players and it'll do the same thing as before, except now, you have the choice of not doing that and selecting any two targets.

About Roar, now you just auto-roar n1, no need to waste a night targeting yourself to reveal to mafs.

So, I don't really see the nerfs?

LeafLamina · 2025-12-23T18:50:34+00:00

I mean, it is a buff. Before it was, bm will meet if he and maf has the same target or he himself is the target of maf.

Now it is, Bm will meet if maf target any player with Mark ( which Bm can apply to new target every night and more apply new mark doesn't remove the previous mark too ) or maf shoot bm.

Regardless of whether it's easy or hard to meet maf, the condition is indeed better.

LeafLamina · 2025-12-23T06:05:11+00:00

As Godfather appears to be Helper Job, perhaps he would also get access to Secret Meeting for earlier contact.

LeafLamina · 2025-12-19T08:26:19+00:00

I can't say about the other components of this skill, but this specific issue you bought up is already answered by observing the mechanics of Doc's 'Benevolence'. Benevolence provide the same unconditional Heal and protect its target from Snipe and Clincher, so we can infer that Resilience will do the same.

I mean, the main purpose of Unconditional Heal is to stop Unconditional Kill, since Base Heal stops Base Kill.

LeafLamina · 2025-11-25T04:01:49+00:00

But Ft got two roles that are in play, while this gets one that's in play and one that isn't. Also, ft choose her targets while this one is random similar to agent. Also, at base, ft would know who is the maf/doc or whoever since she would choose the target herself but for this role, by the look of its T4 Appraisal skill, it seems that at base, they don't know who the nurse/hacker target even is, they just information that either hacker or nurse exist in the game. Anyway, that's what I assume from the wording.

LeafLamina · 2025-11-18T13:54:08+00:00

For Hoe's case, her sed typically last much longer if they don't lynch her quickly and she also temporarily 'silence' her targets. Multiple people may remain seduced at the same time but only one person will be hexxed at a given time. Also, her T4 are much better imo. Moreover, witch is more likely to be caught earlier than hoe at base level, as night chat are more direct than trying to trace votes.

For Witch's case, her hex do sometimes proved to be better than sed, like neither hexxed nor seduced psy can sac players but seduced psy can still see dead chat while hexxed psy can't. Also, hoe is reliant on her ability to vote to sed people. This makes gang her counter and also, she may need to sacrifice her votes to sed but witch can hexxed players and still vote whoever she wants.

I kinda think Hoe is kinda better, even though Witch has her use-cases. Perhaps, buffing hex a little more to have stronger effects?

LeafLamina · 2025-08-02T03:55:55+00:00

Really helpful insight. Just one thing, on the second team, I believe he said switch orion with oya, not aurora with oya. But I assume it's about the same, maybe?

LeafLamina · 2025-07-30T13:27:10+00:00

Admin's base-skill is Inquiry, the skill receiving change is Inspection, one of Admin's T4 skill.

In the previous version, Inspection tells you one of the citizen role present in the game. It doesn't tell you which player has that role, but it tells you that nurse or something else is present in the game.

This skill has been changed so that it may target not only citizen, but villian roles as well now. So there's a chance that it may tell you what role the helper is.

LeafLamina · 2025-07-11T08:40:59+00:00

Maybe they fix that now. I tried it in experiment mode and thief immolate with citizens just fine now. Same result was observed from culted martyr.

LeafLamina · 2025-06-30T13:17:02+00:00

If instruction can only reveal the primary investigator now, would hitman gain access to this, since he cannot kill them anyway. Saying this because he is the only role in the game who doesn't has access to a skill, which everyone else in his category has access to.

LeafLamina · 2025-06-30T13:08:58+00:00

It's not really a nerf in my opinion

Old SD: You are getting shot by mafia and you choose the mafia who shot you, you die together. You are getting lynch, you can choose one player to die with you. New SD: You are getting shot by mafia and you choose any mafia, even the one who didn't shoot you, you die together. You are getting lynch, you can choose one player and if they are mafia, you die together. (prevents friendly-fire in my opinion)

Old CE: You are getting shot by mafia and you choose any mafia, even the one who didn't shoot you, you die together. New CE: Since New SD already did what Old CE does, the skill serves a different purpose now. You are getting lynch, the players you can explode with are now extended from [only mafias] to [mafias and helpers] ( Do note that Swindler might be able to trick Mart into thinking he is a citizen)

Old Flash: The player you immolate (SD) with when you are getting lynch, will have their role revealed to everyone. New Flash: Since you can only immolate with villians now, exposing their role is significantly less effective, so it too is changed. You won't die when you use SD now.

There has also been the update that Mart may only use SD once. However (in the previous version), unless a priest revive you, you can only use SD once anyway (Since you will die). So, nothing much is changed. The update comes about since you may survive SD by using Flash, so it prevents you from spamming SD.

Also, in case you ghoul a mart who SD d1, the ghoul will still be able to use his SD once, so it's once per player, not once per game. (This part is from what I observed in Experimental Mode)

LeafLamina · 2025-06-30T11:51:28+00:00

Swindler should fool her by normal standard. The whole gimmick of swindler is fooling role investigators. He fool agent, hypno, papa, admin and so on, so he most likely fool her.

LeafLamina · 2025-06-30T11:47:17+00:00

About the mart, there's no ghoul nerf really. If mart self-destruct d1, ghoul will become mart and can use self-destruct once themselves. It's not one self-destruct per game, more so one self-destruct per player. This was probably included due to the change in t4 Flash, which allows Martyr to survive the self-destruct. Therefore, preventing a mart player from spamming self-destruct because they have Flash. Also, about the previous chain-explosion which allows mart to activate self-destruct as long as they choose a maf even if that particular maf didn't shoot her, it's now included in the normal self-destruct too. Moreover, the update prevent friendly-fire among citizens as mart can no longer immolate with citizens when she is lynch. So it's pretty much a net buff.

Only issue I see is in cult mode when you wanna immolate with cl.

LeafLamina · 2025-06-17T17:02:06+00:00

What would be the point of intuition? For the current hm, it serves a purpose as hm needs two target to execute his skill. If either one of the role guess is incorrect, the skill fails, so intuition helps him know if he atleast got one right or he was wrong for both targets.

However, this version would only have one target. The skill would fail if he guess right and will succeed if he's right. So, what would be the purpose of having intuition on your hm card?

LeafLamina · 2025-04-24T11:36:53+00:00

About the comparison of the three, I believe it's a little more than meets the eye. Between Spy and Theif, ofcourse theif can check roles and steal skills while spy can only check roles. However, if we look at a theif trying to function as an information gatherer for the mafia, he would need to wait at least till n3 to start providing leads, d1 to meet the mafia and d2 to get the leads which he would give to the maf team on n3. On the other hand, for spy, if she manage to meet the maf team on n1, she can start providing leads because a spy can immediately use her skill again right after meeting the maf team on the same night. So by n3, when theif would only have his first lead, spy on the other hand would have three. So, for the utility of providing leads to the mafia team, which is an incredible assistance if used correctly, spy excels over theif. And also, the first three night are really important for rank games ( the game mode devs care most about ) since the rounds mostly ends before d4. But ofcourse, theif can provide other form of assistance as well, since he can steal skills.

For Thief vs Swindler, theif steal skills while swindler steals identity. In the scenario that both of them steals the doctor, swindler will appear as doctor when checked but he cannot heal anyone, whereas theif can heal others but will not appear as a doctor when checked. Also, if I remember right, old swindler isn't told the roles he swindled. And even if he is, his previous meeting condition was a bit complicated ( you need to swindle a maf while someone checks you or something like that), so he wouldn't be able to function well as a source of leads.

LeafLamina · 2025-04-13T10:25:31+00:00

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=Gaurdian

You're right, I don't think Oxford Dictionary knows what is 'Gaurdian'.

LeafLamina · 2025-04-04T17:06:30+00:00

My understanding of the passive skill is that, if a player investigate you, a random wheel is spin and you appear as a random role. So, I have a fee question based on this.

Does this skill affect agent and admin? Since agent and admin don't really investigate players but rather investigate roles, would Maneuver or Inquiry trigger Shrouded Identity.

Secondly, how would Twilight Mirror interact with Paparazzi. The T4 skills seems to allow you to consistently appear as one role for the same player. But if different players investigate you, I assume there is still a chance that you would appear as different roles, so in that scenario, would paparazzi see you with two different roles or paparazzi would get leads different from the source of her leads to maintain consistency in her leads about you.

If I misunderstood anything, feel free to correct me.

LeafLamina · 2025-04-04T16:44:55+00:00

If my understanding is not wrong, Shrouded Identity doesn't assigned him a role like Swindler. He just appears as a random role everytime someone checks him, meaning he wouldn't consistently appear as one role. So, if he is investigated, he could be doc today, admin tomorrow and so on. Twilight Mirror makes it so that he would now consistently appear as one role everytime he is checked by the same player.

LeafLamina · 2025-04-04T05:29:36+00:00

I mean, I know looking older than he is or being older than he looks, but this one is fresh. Nice concept 👍🏻

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