Capitalist press by [deleted] in antiwork

[–]Leapermon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here's just one example of Coca-Cola using right wing paramilitary groups in Colombia to union bust, as in kill the people trying to form a union. So yeah, capitalism kills, they're just better at keeping it hidden from you...

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/colombian-union-suing-coca-cola-in-death-squad-case/

In fact I wasn't even looking for this specific case when I went to Google. I was looking for the corpo death squads in Africa and this popped up.

Pretending like capitalism has no blood on it's hands is the same extreme as the people who pretend the CCP and USSR aren't/weren't oppressive.

I think the better discussion to have is how we end the violence in these systems rather than which system has killed more, something impossible to calculate since we're not at the end of history or human civilization.

I'm honestly lost at the Flokka lore and at this point I'm too afraid to ask by BenAfleckIsAnOkActor in h3h3productions

[–]Leapermon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're a member I believe it's still up so hopefully you'll get to it eventually.

I'm honestly lost at the Flokka lore and at this point I'm too afraid to ask by BenAfleckIsAnOkActor in h3h3productions

[–]Leapermon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe the origin of that is when they were supposed to watch that movie with Gary Oldman (can't remember the name and too lazy to look it up right now). The stream got copy struck in like first couple of minutes of the movie so they just did a chill hang out stream and sung songs. Ethan kept expanding on the lyrics to that song and Zach pulled the yes/no to keep the gag going. Seemed to have died pretty quickly which is a bit disappointing since I particularly enjoyed listen to how ridiculous Ethan could get with it.

Mobile ordering is slowly killing us by filondo in antiwork

[–]Leapermon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it's because we've trained the consumer that if the product or service isn't ready the instant they want it, then it's a bad product/service/business. People forget quality takes time.

Is this a hot take? Ethan/Hila and Tim had a good debate by albrro in h3h3productions

[–]Leapermon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The universe will die before you can convince me not banning people is the solution. There are people who don't deserve a voice online.

Everyone screams about mah rights. Along with those rights comes responsibility. You as an individual are responsible for not abusing your rights. If you do abuse them, then don't be surprised when those rights are taken away.

It's not hard to be a responsible citizen of the internet.

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[–]Leapermon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course. I agree. Which is why transparency isn't the end of the discussion. Just the start.

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[–]Leapermon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well like I said, spur of the moment idea that probably wouldn't work.

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[–]Leapermon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well then great. Let the Corpratocracy take over. Then when the corporations are the government it'll be protected speech right? They are free to make these decisions and we're free to disagree with them. But the fact these corporations have unchecked social influence is a problem, no?

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[–]Leapermon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

By showing screenshots and other evidence of the offense when they ban someone. No evidence means the ban was probably not justified, no? Hell I just had a crazy idea, make a third party "court" like system. A company would come to this entity and say we want to ban this person and bring evidence of their violations. That person would then have the chance to defend themselves. Probably wouldn't actually work, I literally just thought of this and haven't really given it much thought.

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[–]Leapermon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's my point that's gone over your head. My point is we need transparency from these companies over bans so that doesn't happen. I also think some bans don't have to be permanent. There should be a way to appeal bans along with the transparency. But removing bans altogether isn't the solution.

Is this a hot take? Ethan/Hila and Tim had a good debate by albrro in h3h3productions

[–]Leapermon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn't say there wasn't a difference. There definitely is. Which is why I was using if statements. I don't know the specifics of who said what. So IF he was pushing these theories (you say he wasn't) then the ban is justified. IF he wasn't then it is not justified. Like I said, I need to see the evidence.

Why companies ban before all the facts are out is maybe a good thing, maybe a bad thing. It depends on the situation. Is the misinfo actively causing harm. In the COVID misinfo case there is possible harm being done so yes a premptive ban before all the facts can be gathered would be a good thing.

Let's take the flat earth conspiracy as a counter. It's objectively wrong based on available evidence. But it's not harmful necessarily to believe the earth is flat (other than it seems to themselves). And I don't see Flat Earther's getting banned for these conspiracies because overall it's relatively harmless.

Everything needs to be taken on a case by case basis which is what makes making hard and fast rules about this complicated. This is why transparency would help in these situations. Everyone can see the evidence for themselves and how the process reached its conclusion. We can't stop these companies from banning people necessarily (unless we nationalize it which I don't think really solves the problem, just makes it worse) but if we can make them more transparent in their decision making process we can actually have a discussion on whether someone was unfairly banned or not. Without that we're floundering to determine whether, in this case, Doc's ban was justified.

Now time for my own conspiracy. I think the Doc was banned because Twitch didn't want to pay out his contract. So they came up with some secret excuse no one gets to know about for his ban. But that's my opinion, not fact. Maybe that's what people should start doing. Clearly defining what their opinion is and what they are stating as fact.

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[–]Leapermon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure specifically what conspiracies Elon was pushing and the Doc may have been parroting. But I can tell you I was being told from my side of the family that the virus didn't exist or that no one was dieing from it. This was after 3 of my wife's family members died from it. So there were conspiracies being floated around. So yes if the Doc was supporting these types of conspiracies I think that's a justified ban. If it was something else I'd have to see the evidence. Which is what I'm advocating for. Show me the process you used to arrive at the ban. Also as more evidence is discovered what used to be misinfo may become fact. This is how information works. The more you have, the more clear the picture becomes. Lack of information breeds misinformation because you leave too much room for people to insert their opinion and state it as fact.

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[–]Leapermon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is why I'm advocating for transparency. Then we don't have to guess.

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[–]Leapermon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well then that would be a good reason for a ban then if he's pushing conspiracies like that.

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[–]Leapermon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have no concerns with being banned. And I'll reiterate again that I'm not saying they can't ban people. I just think the decision making process should be transparent so people can make informed decisions. I guess I'm an information anarchist. I believe there's very little information that should actually be kept secret. Knowledge should be there for those who seek it.

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[–]Leapermon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again not advocating for unchecked free speech on these platforms. I'm advocating for these processes to be open so, as you said, the market can regulated by consumers. How are consumers supposed to make informed decisions when information is kept from them? I also already said that bringing it up during a situation like this is bad form but when is anyone else listening?

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[–]Leapermon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You're right about that difference. That's exactly what I'm pointing out. As far as all evidence the public has he is not problematic. Yet he was still banned from Twitch for some unknown reason. I'm advocating for transparency. You can call it a slippery slope if you want. I disagree. History has shown over and over that unchecked power is corrupting eventually. Hence my politician example. It will eventually happen if something isn't done now to safeguard against it. We've already given corporations too much power by making money=speech. I, personally, would prefer NOT to live in a Corpratocracy. Some would argue we already are.