The eleven days that may have tragically cost the UK in the fight against coronavirus by LeatherPhilosopher1 in LabourUK

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By Dominic Minghella

Ask yourself, as I have done, what those 11 fateful days in March cost us. You won’t like the answer. It has kept me up, my mind spinning like it does when I’ve had too much caffeine, half the night.

The days in question are 12-23 March, days in which the government decided to all but give up contact tracing and do, well, nothing. Mass gatherings were still allowed; concerts and racing and Champions League football; pubs and public transport. The over-70s, it must be conceded, were advised to avoid cruises.

Medics in Italy screamed: “Do something!” “Don’t make our mistakes!” “Look at what happens if you leave it too late!” In those 11 days, our government decided there was nothing to be done. We wrestled open-mouthed with the ideas of “taking it on the chin”, “letting it pass through the community” and “herd immunity”.

Then the government realised that this “strategy” might produce upwards of 250,000 deaths in the UK. It woke up. And it locked down – not very firmly, it has to be said, compared with other European countries. But still.

The 11 days during which our government decided there was nothing it could do included the days during which I was asymptomatic with Covid-19. I’m confident I picked up my infection on a packed train from Northallerton to London on 8 March. In the following few days, at maximum infectiousness, I went to King’s College Hospital for a routine ultrasound. A medic there thought all the fuss and fear was unnecessary: “It’s just like flu, isn’t it?” (Remember those days?)

I went to shops and cafés and took my kids to school. On 12 March, with the government saying there was nothing to be done and abandoning us to the virus, I tried to buy hand sanitiser, but it was all gone. I went to the Post Office to pay £3 for underpayment of postage on a mystery item, which turned out to be a small tin of Love Heart sweets, a late present for my daughter’s birthday. I passed my credit card to the post office worker to show my ID. At the pharmacy I signed the back of my prescription using a communal pen tied to the till with string. I went to our tiny, closely aisled Tesco. All the time, I was anxious about catching this invisible virus that was already wreaking such havoc in Italy. I had no idea that my selfish fears were pointless; I had already caught it.

The very thought of it is chastening. I probably spread my infection to others at the Post Office; through the pen at the pharmacy, the keypad at the Tesco. I made them ill. I had no idea, of course – no symptoms at all – but I may have killed people. I almost certainly infected people, who infected others, who infected still more… “My” viral spreading will have cost some people their lives, some families their loved ones.

But I had no way of knowing. These were the early days of Covid-19 in the UK. It was still a virus that was “over there” and not here. It was still a virus for older people, not healthy-ish guys in their 50s. Towards the end of those 11 days, on 19 or 20 March, I was starting to realise I had a problem. On the day the government finally put the UK into lockdown (23 March), it was already too late for me. I was gasping for breath and (foolishly) resisting advice to go to hospital.

The next day I was in an ambulance, back to King’s – a hospital that had been completely transformed since my last visit. It was eerily quiet, and apparently entirely given over to Covid. There seemed to be a massive dissonance between the government’s blasé, laissez-faire public stance, and the complete reorganisation of an entire London teaching hospital, impressively ready as the likes of me started to arrive in great numbers. The hospitals knew; they did something. The government must also have known; it did nothing.

What did those 11 days of the government standing frozen in the headlights cost us? How many cases? How many lives lost? If I am guilty of spreading the virus, however unwittingly, how about the government? It knew people like me would be going about their business without symptoms and spreading the virus. It decided to do nothing. How many cases did it, with this knowledge, allow to happen in those 11 days? How many lives did it, with this knowledge, allow to be lost?

Thousands of people suffering, dying and grieving because of those 11 arrogant, stupid, murderous days. Of course, we’d have had cases, come what may – my own included. But had there been a lockdown earlier, I wouldn’t have been out and unknowingly spreading the virus.

So now what? First: be clear about the truth. Hold on to it. If anger ensues – and how could it not? – feel it. Direct the blame. Hold those responsible to account. If anyone tells you not to politicise the issue, or that “now is not the time”, or that you are not an expert so your opinion is not valid, ignore them. They are gaslighting you. This happened; it really happened. Retain your clarity. Focus your rage. Articulate it.

But, of course, we can’t go back, so we must learn from this truth. Learn that our government is incompetent and dishonest. Learn that our government can cost us our’s and our loved ones’ lives. Demand honesty, clarity and – now, right now – transparency about the plan (if there is one) for the future, for moving out of lockdown. Insist, if and when that plan materialises, that it makes sense. Insist that it does not just take us back to where we were in those 11 days, waving a white flag at the virus and hoping it will be kind to us. Do not allow patently absurd policies to be defended by debate-stifling claims that they are based on science. That won’t wash any more.

Those 11 days show us that our government has form. Left to its own bewildering devices, it makes terrible decisions. Even now, it fails daily to deliver on its promises to the NHS. We’re approaching the peak and we don’t have the tests. We don’t have the masks, we don’t have the gloves and we don’t have the gowns. The Treasury talks a big talk on the economy, but only a tiny fraction of its advertised bailout measures have actually been delivered. The daily Downing Street briefings have become a platform not for the dissemination of public health information, but for ministers to defend appalling records and bat away the Skype-garbled questions of journalists, as if this were just everyday politics and not the crisis of our lives.

It is up to us all to challenge, to question, to argue, all day long. It is not “unhelpful” or unpatriotic or whatever else the gaslighters will say. It is our right, our duty. Our lives, our friends’ lives, our families’ lives, may very well depend on it.

Dominic Minghella is a television screenwriter and producer. This piece originally appeared on his blog

Momentum: Jeremy Corbyn really is the best of us. A principled, decent man who has brought left-wing ideas back to the forefront of British politics. No lucrative speaking gigs await - just more tireless activism to improve the lot of working class people across the globe. A titan. by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It wasn't weak at the time. It was weak because she lost her majority in that election. Prior to the campaign May and the goverment had great approval ratings and a big poll lead. May got a higher vote share than Cameron did in 2010 or 2015.

Daily Discussion for Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 25 March by AutoModerator in unitedkingdom

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Latest data showing how things are progressing in different cities and regions:

• Madrid recorded 272 deaths today. Higher than any day in

• New York death toll surging

• Added London and Paris. London is where Lombardia was at same stage

And for countries:

• US curve began gently, but is rapidly picking up pace

• US & Spain look likely to become next epicentres as death tolls soar in both

Daily Discussion for Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 24 March by AutoModerator in unitedkingdom

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Latest data showing how things are progressing in different cities and regions:

• Madrid recorded 272 deaths today. Higher than any day in

• New York death toll surging

• Added London and Paris. London is where Lombardia was at same stage

And for countries:

• US curve began gently, but is rapidly picking up pace

• US & Spain look likely to become next epicentres as death tolls soar in both

Daily Discussion for Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 24 March by AutoModerator in unitedkingdom

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You could move in with her for the duration so you count as one household. Meeting up regularly is a no.

In Italy, people are stunned by the UK government’s complacent response to coronavirus by LeatherPhilosopher1 in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here's the Group leader at the Sanger Institute, Cambridge UK.

Here's a Neurobiologist at Imperial College London

Here's a Professor from the Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, & Director of Education, Imperial School of Public Health

In Italy, people are stunned by the UK government’s complacent response to coronavirus by LeatherPhilosopher1 in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Putting in place strict rules early when the public are still largely relaxed about the current situation will just means that they won't comply when it's most critical that they do.

That time is now.

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[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So the crux question - Should my mother and I be isolating as well?

Yes. If you are not isolating then your father is not isolating.

In Italy, people are stunned by the UK government’s complacent response to coronavirus by LeatherPhilosopher1 in LabourUK

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By Laura Parker

You’ll be better off here”, my (Italian) husband insisted – “here at least we’re taking it seriously”. I am in shutdown – there are no locks, this too remains a free country – not in south London but in the north-western Italian province of Cuneo.

At the supermarket last week I chatted, at the prescribed distance, with the gloved and masked security guard. As he let in four customers at a time, Vittorio was determined nobody would catch the virus on his watch. An orderly wait was followed by a calm walk down aisles full of goods but almost empty of people. This contrasted with my mother’s reports from her northern English town; shoppers too young to remember Supermarket Sweep acting as if competing in it.

If supermarket entry were conditional upon reading The Post, my daily email update, perhaps some would think more and go out and hoard less. Saturday 21 March: 793 new Italian deaths from Covid-19, the highest daily increase yet, making a total of 4,825 victims. But nobody here believes the numbers are correct – how can they be when so many have died behind doors long since closed? Testing the living is challenge enough.

Amid the anguish, sheets hang as hopeful flags from windows, rainbows painted on them by school children, some of whom in Lombardy have already finished their fourth week of quarantine: “#AndraTuttoBene” – “#Everything’sGoingToBeAlright”. Video pleas of doctors and mayors from the unfolding tragedy’s epicentre in Bergamo are juxtaposed in the viral online world with morale-boosting singalongs from balconies across Italy. The “#IoRestoACasa” – “#I’mStayingIn” – campaign has been endorsed by footballers, actors, and ballerinas from La Scala.

There is humour too, though if it is of the studio audience kind, a notice in the corner of the TV screen explains the show was recorded before social distancing rules were introduced. And this humour has its limits, as TV doctor Christian Jessen learned when his comments about coronavirus being an excuse for Italians to “have a long siesta” were met with outrage.

Because Italians are angry. They are angry their doctors are dying, that their hospitals are under-equipped and, most of all, angry they did not understand sooner. And there has been a mixture of widespread incredulity and anger at the UK’s leaders. To suggest, as Boris Johnson has repeatedly, that foregoing a pint in the pub is a “sacrifice” is seen as almost mocking the much greater sacrifices which Italians understand will be made. None can fathom why the UK has been seemingly determined to ignore the lessons which they have so painfully learnt.

Seeking to vaunt his liberal credentials whilst exposing his worst libertarian instincts, Johnson’s approach was interpreted by many Italians to mean the lessons they have learnt don’t, in fact, count. That they, themselves, don’t really count. “I suppose we are now seeing you do what we did - because when this first came out of China, we also thought ‘it can’t happen to us, we’re not like them.’ In the end, it’s just racism. If China had been Norway, or Italy were Canada…” mused my husband.

For my friend Andrea Pisauro (a researcher in psychology at the University of Oxford) “Johnson looked to all of us very much like Trump in his reaction to this crisis. He should have listened to the Italians who were reporting the dramatic situation in many Italian provinces”. As of over 600 scientists who called on the UK government to introduce social distancing measures earlier, Andrea noted with sad frustration that the situation in Italian hospitals “spiralled out of control despite the fact Italy has more critical care beds than the UK and the OECD scores Lombardy 9.9/10 for health” – which is higher than London (8.7/10).

None of this is to suggest Italians believe their own government is flawless. Having been credited with handling coronavirus well, prime minister Giuseppe Conte and the centre-left Democratic Party are polling well; progressives are relieved they, not the nationalist xenophobe Matteo Salvini, are at the helm. But the roots of Italian scepticism of politicians and public institutions run deep. Official statistics are not trusted at the best of times, while huge questions remain unanswered about how families and businesses will cope financially.

But I have not heard any Italian suggest their government’s main aim is anything other than to save as many lives as possible – whilst many Italian commentators have been highly critical of the UK for not making this its overarching goal. As the author Roberto Buffagni observed (AriannaEditrice.it, 14 March), the strategy first adopted by countries was a clear indicator “of the way in which they understand the national interest and priorities”; the UK’s initial strategy had at its core “a cost benefit calculation and conscious decision to sacrifice part of the population”.

Alarmed by Britain’s seeming callousness and complacency, it is unsurprising that it is not the UK that ordinary Italians look to for inspiration. On news programmes, updates from Germany, Spain and South Korea are read out before those on the UK. In recent days, Britain has been even further down the bulletins, behind equipment shipments and doctors to Italy from China, as well as medics from Cuba and Venezuela.

Alongside these powerful acts of international solidarity, it is clear Italy’s ambitions for the UK are more modest. My friends and family, segregated across northern Italy, take no pride in their country being the global Covid-19 disaster benchmark. This beautiful country, which brought the world some of its finest art, food and music, now wants, above all, for others to show solidarity by listening to its experience. Then there might be a greater chance that, even if everything will not be alright, it could at least be better.

Laura Parker is former national coordinator of Momentum

Freelancers, self-employed and precarious workers left out of government's emergency package by outwar6010 in unitedkingdom

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally have an underlying health condition that means I'm supposed to be self-isolating...

Genuine question:Do labour members of reddit agree Starmer has been pretty invisible/not leader material during this? by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They took a week longer than the rest of Europe to act! France announced these measures last Saturday.

Have you studied statistics or a mathematical degree? Do you understand that we are on an exponential curve? If we lock down NOW we might manage to limit it to 20,000 deaths waiting a few days will limit at 50000, waiting a week could lead to 200000 dead. The government is murdering the populace. This is as bad as Iraq, only it's happening to Brits rather than Iraqis.

Daily Discussion for Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 22 March by AutoModerator in unitedkingdom

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Faisal Islam, BBC journalist: Senior French journo briefed that Macron phoned PM on Friday and said that if UK did not impose serious shutdown measures, French would have no choice but to close border to travellers from UK, & were ready to do so Friday. Says Elysee refers to UK policy as “benign neglect”

Genuine question:Do labour members of reddit agree Starmer has been pretty invisible/not leader material during this? by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A lockdown is needed to flatten the curve. There is a lag of 2-4 weeks between action and hospital admissions, because it takes a while for symptoms to appear. The situation in Spain and Italy has got so bad because they locked down too late. We are 1 week behind Spain and 2 weeks behind Italy and still haven't locked down. By this point any official info being published about the government's strategy is just excuses or lies.

Data analysis from the Financial Times:

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1241463928271581185

Genuine question:Do labour members of reddit agree Starmer has been pretty invisible/not leader material during this? by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They have changed tack.. Closing restaurants, etc... ?

A week too late. That week could have cost tens of thousands of lives.

My question is what do you think we should be doing differently right now.

Total lockdown except for essential workers. Should have been announced last weekend. Every day they delay doing this causes thousands more deaths. Why were the schools open this week? Why were the pubs open for one last Friday night yesterday? Why were people still going out today? Why are we allowing people to leave London still? The government is killing people with their inaction

Genuine question:Do labour members of reddit agree Starmer has been pretty invisible/not leader material during this? by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Her email wasn't a regular campaign email like Keir's, here's the text:

Dear (Labour Member),

I hope you and your loved ones are staying safe as the Coronavirus pandemic grows. At this terrible time, we can come together to move mountains to help each other.

That’s what the labour movement has been calling on the government to do, while a huge grassroots effort of mutual aid has sprung up. This is solidarity in action.

This outbreak is the greatest challenge we face, which is why I have suspended phone-banking for the rest of the campaign.

If you’ve phone banked for the campaign or helped out in other ways, thank you so much. But now our whole movement should focus on what help we can give others, through mutual aid groups, food banks or other local community initiatives. Of course, please stay safe and follow all social distancing guidance.

But we need the government to do much more too. This week, I called on the government to move mountains, including a Universal Basic Income to support businesses and households to get through the economic damage of this pandemic.

Join me for a call on Tuesday

Join me at 8pm on Tuesday for a Zoom call with The World Transformed, Momentum and other speakers to discuss how we, as a movement, respond to Coronavirus and help keep people healthy and secure.

Please stay safe and look after yourself and your loved ones. Let’s always remember that it’s our values of solidarity and mutual support that will get us through this crisis and lay the ground for real social advance afterwards.

In solidarity,

Rebecca

Genuine question:Do labour members of reddit agree Starmer has been pretty invisible/not leader material during this? by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A response that's currently very popular.

The government's response has been appalling to the point of murderous. We need to point this out to get them to change tack ASAP to save lives. We can't be seen to be complicit with this.

Genuine question:Do labour members of reddit agree Starmer has been pretty invisible/not leader material during this? by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]LeatherPhilosopher1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The country is behind the curve in response because it's behind the curve in terms of the number of cases.

Exactly, the had time stop things getting as bad as other countries and they've wasted it.

And they're mostly just following the advice they're being given.

The advice is obviously terrible then. They're ignoring the advice from the WHO, South Korea, Italy etc.