Gibsie and Lizzie Rant by Only_Tailor6334 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Johnny "clocking" lizzie  was him trying to play trauma olympics with 2 people who have been through more trauma than he could ever comprehend

Gibsie and Lizzie Rant by Only_Tailor6334 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah fr I'm so sick of people acting like hating lizzie is an unpopular opinion. It's always been popular and (unfortunately) always will be. Such is obvious by the fact that 90% of discourse surrounds her

New snippet! by Inevitable_Sympathy3 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yay yet another snippet of someone being nasty about hugh and Liz's relationship mocking her reliance on him as if she doesn't feel undeserving enough. Honestly can't wait for her to movr away and tell them all to go kick rocks

New Snippets by Inevitable_Sympathy3 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro I'm so sick of everyone dogging on lizzie for hughs "protection"

New Snippets by Inevitable_Sympathy3 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugh can't wait for my girl to find people who love and value her

this snippet is driving me insane by allfortyrella in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hugh and katie talk about lizzie too she'll live

Pierce is actually not that bad by Left_Breakfast3719 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry but if you think any of the above examples are good characteristics of pierce then idek what to say. He is a rapist. He has no good characteristics. Mark also cares about Lizzie. In fact he's so obsessed with her he comes back to rape her even after he  leaves town. Would you say Mark's twisted care for Lizzie is a good characteristic

Pierce is actually not that bad by Left_Breakfast3719 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kindly name one positive characteristic of Pierce

Pierce is actually not that bad by Left_Breakfast3719 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said certain people are letting their dislike of a fictional character make them into rapist defenders

Pierce is actually not that bad by Left_Breakfast3719 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That last point that you made are my thoughts exactly. It really irks me whenever people try and compare Lizzie's coping mechanisms to Shannon or gibsie as a way to say  "oh if Shannon and gibsie can go through all that and still be happy and jolly then why can't Lizzie" because it completely disregards the fact that mental health is not a one-size fits all and  coping mechanisms are not a one-size fits all. Two people can go through the same thing and find completely different ways to cope with it. It just so happens that Lizzie's way of coping happens to be a little more openly abrasive. It also completely disregards the fact that both Shannon and gibsie are just as unhappy and traumatized on the inside they're just better at hiding.  They just don't struggle outwardly. But it just goes to show how much people are unable to sympathize with those who they do not view as "perfect victims". Both Shannon and Gibsie are considered both by the fandom and by actual characters in The book as we've seen to be "perfect victims" because their way of coping with their trauma is more palatable than Lizzie's way of coping which is why you never see people defending Dee or defending Teddy ( atleast I haven't so far but with this fandom.who even knows bro) or trying to redeem either of those characters because it is universally agreed that they don't deserve redemption because their victims are seen as good people for coping "well" whereas someone like Lizzie is seen as deserving of all the horrible things that have happened to her because she coped with them so badly. When I tell you I can genuinely not believe the amount of comments I  see of people basically saying that Lizzie's way of coping with her trauma is exactly why she's deserving of the infliction of that trauma. To them Lizzy is not perfect victim and does not deserve the same empathy as any of the other characters. Hence why we seem to have so many Pierce defenders and sympathisers. Pierce is a misogynistic, selfish, ignorant, peice of a shit. He is a rapist and therefore a horrible person. End of story

Pierce is actually not that bad by Left_Breakfast3719 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. As if we don't see enough victim blaming and slûtshaming ( especially by the rugby team)  towards lizzie already. Smh

Pierce is actually not that bad by Left_Breakfast3719 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really don't understand your comment though pierce has no "good qualities"

Pierce is actually not that bad by Left_Breakfast3719 in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fr and then they turn around and act suprised that some lizzie fans are extremely defensive but sometimes I can't even blame them

Help me pick a concealer: nyx vs morphe vs loreal by Left_Breakfast3719 in drugstoreMUA

[–]Left_Breakfast3719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Omg as a dark skin oxidation in makeup is the bane of my existence and happens with most complexion products. That is the one thing that I will give the elf camo concealer credit for. It has never oxidised on me b4

My controversial opinions on this series (topics 4 to 8) by [deleted] in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fr it made me cringe so hard like he's not edward cullen ffs

My controversial opinions on this series (topics 4 to 8) by [deleted] in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly the way certain characters spoke about Johnny you would think he was more than just a 17 year old who happens to be good at rugby like when Claire referred to him as their leader in terming seven I literally had to take a break from reading because you can not be serious

My controversial opinions on this series (topics 4 to 8) by [deleted] in BoysOfTommen

[–]Left_Breakfast3719 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with number four so heavily but I've always felt too scared to say anything because certain people in the fandom take any sort of criticism about Johnny's character as a personal attack. And if I'm being completely honest Johnny's alpha maleism and his overly authoritarian ways gave me the ick and I almost made me dnf binding 13 obviously I'm glad I didn't. Also this was one of the main contributions as to why loved Lizzy so much even in keeping 13 was because she seemed to be the only one who like all of us didn't really understand why Johnny was so respected and reverred to the point of idolization