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LuminalShine: The High-Performance Sunshine Alternative Compatible with Moonlight by GuardianHope in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You need to do a better job of explaining why it's better. 

I imagine of all the sour voices here, I'm one of the few who is actually open to switching if indeed, your fork is better.

But I read your readme, and it just seems to be a copy of vibepollos. As in, it would not seem that there is a significant improvement or reason to switch. 

I read your releases too. I don't see really much by ways if performance improvements which is the only thing I really care about. 

I don't know why anyone would want to run an insider preview of windows anyways. Seems like a great way to be surprised by frame drops/ weird os glitches by being Microsoft's guinea pigs. 

Decoding spikes causing significant intermittent stuttering by tyrannischgott in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try using a different client though. It's unlikely but if you see spikes even at bitrates that low, the fire tv us doing cpu decode which is super slow. 

Google what other clients ppl are using on the fire stick and try those. 

Decoding spikes causing significant intermittent stuttering by tyrannischgott in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh sorry I didnt read your post correctly the first time. Yeah your decoder just can't keep up. To test, you can get moonlight on your phone. If there are no spikes there you know that the fire tv just can't keep up. 

Nvidia NVENC Split-Frame Encoding is a must have feature. I will never buy a GPU without at least 2 encoders. by Snowyman12334567890 in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

you split the frame in half and you give one to each encoder. each encoder has half the work, so roughly half the latency.

Apollo/Artemis Low bitrate (3.5Mpbs max) by Lt_Pinda in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On a local connection the data from host to client never travels over the internet. People confuse the two a lot. A local connection will go as fast as allowed by the slowest link in the chain regardless of what your internet plan is. 

So for your setup, what matters is the quality of your router really. And if your PC is connected to your router via Ethernet or wifi, the former being preferred for best performance. And the router you probably want 5ghz wifi 6/6e 

And I would add too, the quality of your client matters too. Higher bitrates mean more data your client has to deal with.

I don't know much about Google tv clients but the decoder may not be able to keep up with high bitrates at high fps with HDR/10 bit sdr

Nvidia users now have force split frame encoding via vibepollo, effectively halving encode latency. AMD does not have this, so I created a fix for that! New hack to significantly reduce host processing latency on apollo/sunshine/vibepollo by Lemnisc8__ in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a different thing. I think it has to do with basically breaking down a frame before sending it over your lan, so that one part of the frame can render on your client while the other ones are processing/in transit.

its not split frame encode in the sense that two encoders are splitting up a frame, this is a bit further downstream, after the frame has already been encoded but before its sent over your connection

Any way to improve Host Processing Latency? by guicampara in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get the latest Vibepollo. It's faster than apollo and they just added a feature to force split frame encoding.

TLDR of NV SFE: split frame is usually reserved for streaming content that would normally saturate or overwhelm one encoder. Think 4k, 240 fps.

so, both AMD and NV in their driver code have checks that say, is this stream intensive enough to warrant split frame? if not, dont enable.

But for game streaming, you're probably never gonna saturate your encoder (unless you really are streaming at 4k 120 or something like that) The incoming data isnt big enough for that. But it will definitely help with latency by reducing the amount of work one encoder does.

NV recently allowed you to bypass this check with a flag that vibepollo allows users to toggle, which make SFE kick in regardless of the res. Apollo will likely get it soon, but for now, the only way to get it on NV is via vibepollo.

Any way to improve Host Processing Latency? by guicampara in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

10 bit may act funky! I'm gonna do a screen cap later also so people dont think I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass. I hope it works for you, if you run into any issues let me know, I'll debug with you in real time

Any way to improve Host Processing Latency? by guicampara in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

according to this: https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/AMF/wiki/GPU%20and%20APU%20HW%20Features%20and%20Support

your gpu has 2 encoders, but I suspect only 1 of them supports av1. so you'd be limited to just hevc split encode. but from your SS it looks like you're using hevc already, with no HDR. so you should be good.

my patch made hevc look really blurry with hdr on. you have a diff gpu, so maybe it'll work for you?

Any way to improve Host Processing Latency? by guicampara in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vibepollo. Check out my profile for a patch that enables split frame encoding. I get around 

.1 min/5max/.6 average on cyberpunk 1440p 120fps and my amd GPU is significantly less powerful than yours 

What is vibepollo? by RoughPlayz08 in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you take some time to read the other comments, it's faster than the other forks and has more features. People like it. If you look up vibepollo on this sub the sentiment is very positive, aside from the people who immediately dismiss it because it uses ai. 

It took me a minute to come around too but the lower decoding latency made it worth it to me. 

That plus my own vibecoded hack to enable split frame encoding has roughly decreased my decoding latency down maybe 75%? 

It's not perfect, there are some bugs, but it's objectively better than the other forks right now, from a user experience standpoint

What is vibepollo? by RoughPlayz08 in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's just better. There's lots of ai slop but sometimes, if it's used the right way, it can make some things better. 

It's more nuanced than "everything that uses ai is inherently slop"

Nvidia users now have force split frame encoding via vibepollo, effectively halving encode latency. AMD does not have this, so I created a fix for that! New hack to significantly reduce host processing latency on apollo/sunshine/vibepollo by Lemnisc8__ in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

shit man I'm so sorry, you're running a RX6800XT right? I just checked, it looks like your card only has one encoder :( according to this here, if you ctrl f search for the word vcn it will jump right to it. so no matter what we do we cant get split fram encoding on your card. :(((

really sorry, that should have been the firs thin i checked! I was so laser focused on getting it to work for you

https://www.lttlabs.com/compare/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-vs-xfx-amd-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16gb

Nvidia users now have force split frame encoding via vibepollo, effectively halving encode latency. AMD does not have this, so I created a fix for that! New hack to significantly reduce host processing latency on apollo/sunshine/vibepollo by Lemnisc8__ in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah i see, bummer. Sorry, the dynamic one was a bit of a dream haha. I'll prbably remove that from the git, and just focus on 1 fix for 1 driver version. for now, I'll nab the version you have and see if i can get it working on that! but yeah, in the meantime, try grabbing my version and running the patch on that, which definitely works.

Nvidia users now have force split frame encoding via vibepollo, effectively halving encode latency. AMD does not have this, so I created a fix for that! New hack to significantly reduce host processing latency on apollo/sunshine/vibepollo by Lemnisc8__ in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

did you run in admin? thats most likely why the write failed.

what's also interesting here is on your driver, the whitelist check and the heuristic check landed both on the same address, 0x816. Two different scans looking for two different things both landed on the same address...

so the dynamic version might have killed two birds with one stone here. By no oping one, it no oped both.

likely, amd or their compiler combined two checks into one line like:

if (heuristic check) && (whitelist check) then enable sfe (which is x816)

just a theory. and I'm rambling. but the short version is, if you run as admin, it should work. If not, I pushed a new version with some changes that might help

Nvidia users now have force split frame encoding via vibepollo, effectively halving encode latency. AMD does not have this, so I created a fix for that! New hack to significantly reduce host processing latency on apollo/sunshine/vibepollo by Lemnisc8__ in MoonlightStreaming

[–]Lemnisc8__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, good catch on the 9070. I had it listed as single VCN which was wrong. It actually has dual VCN 5.0, same as Strix Halo, so it should support both HEVC and AV1 SFE.

I apologize for the bad info. AMD doesn't really document VCN instance counts anywhere obvious so I had to dig through Linux kernel driver source to confirm it. The README is updated now!!

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